Dragon Ball: After the End
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Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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- Bottom of the barrel
Can we solve this problem by channeling the power of Carolina Reapers and Genki!
The Fourth Monado
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To be fair, Andres, she only feels bad because you -- you specifically -- objected on those grounds. Which is why she promptly discards it given the majority consensus was completely in favor. If more people had objected she'd have a bigger problem with it.
Aranfan
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I actually feel that that paragraph was the weakest part of the update. It just sorta, seemed like a nonsequiter I guess?
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The Great One
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Say what you will about him, but the guy got a whole planet to love him enough that were willing to contribute to the Spirit Bomb just after hearing his voice. That kind of trust on a planetary scale needs some serious luck, guts and sheer charisma.
Also, I was just watching the Cell vs Gohan fight. Any chance Kakara could See it? Gohan dealt with the same issues she did, and she should know that. Seeing 16's whole speech would really help her out.
Except Kakara isn't fighting an unstoppable, purposely-created monster like Cell. She's not even fighting anyone, and her enemies and challengers are primarily political in nature.
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Hm? I wasn't commenting on the internal conflict, I just thought it was funny how we unintentionally followed in Mr. Satan's footsteps in the "let people make assumptions of you" way.
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The Devil’s Cut
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No, it just needs a good advertising campaign and everyone else in the world seemingly having a stroke and forgetting all about the Ki use and wierd martial arts shit that had happened at every World Tournament our heroes had entered.
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A good advertising campaign isn't enough without chutzpah to spare AND charisma.
And yes, it's a bit silly that people had forgotten all about King Piccolo after only ~20 years. This has been acknowledged. It's something we either have to accept, or throw up our hands and say, 'This makes no sense, the entire concept is silly, and I won't play any more." I chose to accept it and move on.
If it makes you feel better, just pretend there really weren't any cameras showing the martial arts tournaments to the world at large, and note how small the crowds were - at most thousands of people (out of billions). The reaction shots we saw in DBZ just didn't happen to include those thousands. Anything that was televised has long since been discounted as a hoax or viral marketing or LSD or something.
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You're thinking about it wrong. I'm not talking about the current issue, but Kakara's position in general.
Right now, every enemy we are facing is someone we can face with words. I want Kakara to see what happened to Gohan and realise that there are enemies she might have to face that she can't hesitate against.Android 16 said:
The basic conclusion I want her to draw is what Gohan decided, that it's okay to fight if it is for the right cause but to look at what happened to Gohan after that and decide that just being willing to fight isn't enough. She can't just wait for the right cause, because she has to be ready for it.
It's mostly me thinking of advancing her traits of Pacifist and Convictions while realising that Kakara lives in a comparatively peaceful time, and that she won't really face situations which would develop her enough for Galactic level conflict. That's where our Seeing comes in and we can learn from the experiences of the Ancestor most like us, who has already decided to contact us.
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Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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What do you mean unintentionally? I wasn't kidding when I said the question comes up often and I was the one that came up with that plan. Considering that Mr. Satan is one of my favorite characters in the series and that a lot of what I learned about lying came from him... I just lack the skill to ham it up as he does.Hm? I wasn't commenting on the internal conflict, I just thought it was funny how we unintentionally followed in Mr. Satan's footsteps in the "let people make assumptions of you" way.
Personally, I choose to believe that there was a flood of people with "special abilities" that were actual hoaxes. After repeated cases of it being disproven, and no one with actual special abilities stepping forward for one reason or another, the public came to believe that's all it ever was.
And I'm saying that, being in a completely different situation, those words won't have the same impact or importance to her.
And, well, Kakara is not Gohan.
What enemies? She lives on a peaceful world, where she's the most powerful thing around, and is currently doing a good job of establishing a wide, diplomatic and political powerbase.
Without that pressure on her to develop that way, why would she?
And this is where we're going to have to disagree, because I want her to develop the other way, forsaking harm to others entirely. I feel that such a path is more interesting, challenging, natural and potentially rewarding, short and long term.
The Fourth Monado
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*munches on popcorn while watching the conversation*
*steals the popcorn*
You're not getting back until you explain the funny and get involved with the discussion!
The Fourth Monado
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GM knowledge and worldbuilding stuff, sorry.
Can't reveal anything at the moment. You know how it is.
*steals popcorn back*
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Oi. No teasing. *confiscates popcorn*GM knowledge and worldbuilding stuff, sorry.
Can't reveal anything at the moment. You know how it is.
*steals popcorn back*
The Fourth Monado
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Yeah, but you can still get involved with the discussion.GM knowledge and worldbuilding stuff, sorry.
Can't reveal anything at the moment. You know how it is.
Actually, all he "stole back" was styrofoam shaped like popcorn.
*steals the latest batch of popcorn*
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But if I got involved, I would be tempted to reveal things that I shouldn't.
Well, tempted more.
And I don't wanna do that.
*obtains more popcorn*
Too bad, already involved.
You do realize that by this point, I've replaced all popcorn, raw, popped or inbetween with fake replica's right?
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I know how hard that can be. Why, once there was a secret I wasn't allowed to tell anyone! So I didn't. Then everyone died
also, sometimes I lie blatantly and make up things that didn't happen.For your own sake, you might want to tell us just a bit.
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Actually, I just want to see Kakara strong enough to well, be the strongest and experiment with all of the DBZ techniques. This isn't necessarily against your interests. Kakara is going to be the Lady, and the Lady's job is to protect her clan. Kakara hasn't shown us anyway that she resents that responsibility.
Now, to be good enough to keep peace while not harming anyone? Well, she needs to be pretty strong for that.
I love the whole peace and diplomacy angle. Just in DBZ, all the techniques and fights seem cooler. If I can have them both, I'd definitely prefer that.
EDIT: Plus, Jaffur is a thing and he's supposed to be better at fighting than us. Let's put a ring on him and turn him into the stick to our carrot.
If you want us to stop stealing your popcorn, you'd better give it up.
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The Fourth Monado
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. . .If you want us to stop stealing your popcorn, you'd better give it up.
Fine. I will grant one hint, then I want my popcorn back.
...You will want to follow Gohan's example.