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Dragon Ball: After the End

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PoptartProdigy said:
Not in recent years -- one of Berra's less popular reforms -- but the information has ways of...leaking...in the hands of less principled people in the Lord's employ.
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Ah. See, that be the issue. The only people who should be able to access said list with personal details are:
a) Seers
b) Sorcerers
c) The Lords/Ladies if required
d) Those given special dispensation during relevant emergies, which I don't imagine would come up much

I was already thinking of proposing a regulatory body for and of Sorcerers and Seers, who help ensure that stuff like Dandeer and Carrick doesn't happen and provide some formal structure/authority, I'm going to add "be in charge of the list" to that. Because said list does have legitimate purposes, but it doesn't seem to be used for them. :/

Also, yeah, that was the source of my confusion: I thought the list was something Seers/Sorcerers kept.
 
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Gore17 said:
Ah. See, that be the issue. The only people who should be able to access said list with personal details are:
a) Seers
b) Sorcerers
c) The Lords/Ladies if required
d) Those given special dispensation during relevant emergies, which I don't imagine would come up much

I was already thinking of proposing a regulatory body for and of Sorcerers and Seers, who help ensure that stuff like Dandeer and Carrick doesn't happen and provide some formal structure/authority, I'm going to add "be in charge of the list" to that. Because said list does have legitimate purposes, but it doesn't seem to be used for them. :/

Also, yeah, that was the source of my confusion: I thought the list was something Seers/Sorcerers kept.
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The general reaction to that is, "absolutely not." Nobody wants to let go of a tool they use to punch down at an oppressed minority, particularly when it's the tracking tool. Then the minority in question might get...ideas.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
The general reaction to that is, "absolutely not." Nobody wants to let go of a tool they use to punch down at an oppressed minority, particularly when it's the tracking tool. Then the minority in question might get...ideas.
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Looks like an excellent target for the hilarious amount of social/political capital I expect Kakara will end up with if we successfully thwart Dandeer's schemes.
 
VicSage said:
Because any time a government has created a list of a specific segment of the populace, someone with an axe to grind has used it.
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*points to censuses, gun registries and vehicle registration and licensing*

There's good uses and bad uses.

Also, like I mentioned, I thought the Seers and Sorcerers were keeping the list, as they're the ones that the person is supposed to report to.

"Oh, I'm having strange visions. Is this the Sight, or am I hallucinating? Better check in secret."
"It's the Sight, and I already know you don't want training. Take these once a month to suppress the Sight, we'll send you replacements every five years, or sooner if you somehow lose them. Now stop wasting my time and get out."
 
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Gore17 said:
Ah. See, that be the issue. The only people who should be able to access said list with personal details are:
a) Seers
b) Sorcerers
c) The Lords/Ladies if required
d) Those given special dispensation during relevant emergies, which I don't imagine would come up much

I was already thinking of proposing a regulatory body for and of Sorcerers and Seers, who help ensure that stuff like Dandeer and Carrick doesn't happen and provide some formal structure/authority, I'm going to add "be in charge of the list" to that. Because said list does have legitimate purposes, but it doesn't seem to be used for them. :/

Also, yeah, that was the source of my confusion: I thought the list was something Seers/Sorcerers kept.
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Cynthia would support this motion.
 
HoratioVonBecker said:
I think it has to be a subset. If becoming a Seer or a Sorceror made you a general elite rather than a specialist weirdo, then they would have been much more popular back in the warring clans period, and only became semi-outcasts several generations after the unification.
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The prejudice is actually far more due to the Exiles' cultural glorification of the Z Fighters than anything else. The Z Fighters were ki fighters, and moreover, ki fighters who were ultimately some of the undisputed masters of the use of ki in the galaxy. After all, the role the rest of the galaxy tends to play in Exile legends is those idiots who can't even into energy sensing. The Exiles have a cultural myth built up around the idea that in their galaxy, they alone held the true secrets of ki. They alone were the true masters; they alone produced the masters capable of rising to the level of the divine. Even Freeza only reached his greatest heights after copycatting Earth's masters. An entire culture, built on a retrospective. A people constantly chasing and glorifying the deeds of their ancestors, clinging onto their cultural mastery of ki even as the rest of what once was their culture is annihilated under the massive pressure of the Masquerade, with no way to even recognize how much is being lost, because nobody thought to write it all down before it was already gone. A desperate fight to retain some sense of worth and superiority -- anything to keep themselves from feeling just like a bunch of terrified rats, hiding in their hole as the cat prowls outside.

And then these fuckers aren't even interested in trying.

Of course, the truth is far more complicated. Kakara's easy progress in and mastery of skill of sight is extremely unusual, thus Carrick's frequent astonishment at you doing things years in advance of when you should have been capable of them (and through a block, at that). Training and maintaining sight or magic skills is, for the ordinary person, a full-time job. An unpaid one, where you only get paid for taking overtime in the form of actually applying those skills, to a supreme lack of cultural appreciation. It's a lot of work, the involved concepts are difficult to grasp once you get beyond beginner levels, and overall it leaves very little time for rigorous, often brutal ki training.

But to the average Exile, it looks like a whole class of people just ignoring their people's heritage. Throwing it all away. It doesn't help that nobody understands them when they get going (the jock vs. nerd stereotype, writ large). And most damningly...they don't even have the grace to be useless. Being obviously inferior to ki fighters would be at least a tacit admission of the Exiles' cultural obsession's inherent worth and superiority. But no. Not only can both do things that your average Exile fighters cannot, sorcerers have the unmitigated gall to serve a vital and irreplaceable function that allows this society of ki-glorifying fighters to persist and survive in the first place.

The prejudice against sorcerers and seers is not born out of anything admirable. It's not even born out of anything really understandable or sympathetic. An overwhelming majority that controls all of the social status and power doesn't get good excuses for being discriminatory shits. No, the Exiles' deep dislike for the esoteric arts is built on a foundation of spite, insecurity, resentment, and jealousy, all buried under a deep well of denial. It is ugly, contemptible, and foul. It's never anything different, for a majority punching down.
 
So, when we get back, it would be funny if the thing that Carrick was most upset about was having to put a block on Kakara's Sight, and then having her basically have to teach herself since he was worse than unavailable.

Seriously though, there's probably going to be a lot of people who want all Sorcerers placed under house arrest unless they're absolutely needed for something or something along those lines when we get back. Dandelor actively working against Dandeer isn't going to erase the years of mind control, and a lot of those same people are probably going to be saying 'Well they obviously can't police themselves!' which is... not wrong, considering what happened with the Vegetan Sorcerers. If we can't make the entire race into mages, then I don't like our chances of avoiding anti-mage pogroms without burning most if not all of our political capital from saving the Exiles on that one thing.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
The prejudice against sorcerers and seers is not born out of anything admirable. It's not even born out of anything really understandable or sympathetic. An overwhelming majority that controls all of the social status and power doesn't get good excuses for being discriminatory shits. No, the Exiles' deep dislike for the esoteric arts is built on a foundation of spite, insecurity, resentment, and jealousy, all buried under a deep well of denial. It is ugly, contemptible, and foul. It's never anything different, for a majority punching down.
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I don't think it could have been admirable; ignorance never is, and defining yourself against a group is nearly always done in ignorance. If there's another persistent minority group which exists outside the clan structure, I'd expect them to get treated just as badly. Exile society simply doesn't seem righteous enough to do otherwise.
But that doesn't mean that they haven't got some practical justifications for their wickedness. Just that they aren't sufficient.
 
ilbgar123 said:
So, when we get back, it would be funny if the thing that Carrick was most upset about was having to put a block on Kakara's Sight, and then having her basically have to teach herself since he was worse than unavailable.

Seriously though, there's probably going to be a lot of people who want all Sorcerers placed under house arrest unless they're absolutely needed for something or something along those lines when we get back. Dandelor actively working against Dandeer isn't going to erase the years of mind control, and a lot of those same people are probably going to be saying 'Well they obviously can't police themselves!' which is... not wrong, considering what happened with the Vegetan Sorcerers. If we can't make the entire race into mages, then I don't like our chances of avoiding anti-mage pogroms without burning most if not all of our political capital from saving the Exiles on that one thing.
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That's fine.

We can just become Dictator of the Exiles.
 
Cariyaga said:
That's fine.

We can just become Dictator of the Exiles.
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Yeah... Before we left, we publicly declared ourselves to be Princess Kakara Goku, we overruled the standing Lord, and we directed our subjects to someone who is in charge by our sole authority, who will inform them that all of the other nobles are magically compromised.

Pretty sure we already became Dictator of the Exiles.
 
Akiri said:
Yeah... Before we left, we publicly declared ourselves to be Princess Kakara Goku, we overruled the standing Lord, and we directed our subjects to someone who is in charge by our sole authority, who will inform them that all of the other nobles are magically compromised.

Pretty sure we already became Dictator of the Exiles.
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It was certainly very damaging to the public perception of Berra's authority. The moreso once the truth outs. There is very likely to be a massive slice of the population calling for him to step down after this.

Which is slightly a shame. He didn't ask to get mind-controlled.

And hey, if y'all want to become Dictator of the Exiles, you don't even really need to fight for it. Just seduce and marry Jaffur. With your Communication score, it'd practically be easy. :rofl:
 
PoptartProdigy said:
It was certainly very damaging to the public perception of Berra's authority. The moreso once the truth outs. There is very likely to be a massive slice of the population calling for him to step down after this.

Which is slightly a shame. He didn't ask to get mind-controlled.

And hey, if y'all want to become Dictator of the Exiles, you don't even really need to fight for it. Just seduce and marry Jaffur. With your Communication score, it'd practically be easy. :rofl:
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See the thing is. Jaffur is crazy. And while "never stick your dick in crazy" is not a piece of advice Kakara can follow the letter of. She can certainly follow the spirit.
 
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