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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
No it's not. Why, that would be absurd.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Non-Canon Omake: Starcrossed
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Mini-Omake: Starcrossed
Valentine often thought he was the luckiest man in the world. His family never got sick, they didn't have to worry about money, his work was engaging, and his wife always made very sure that he knew how much she loved him. They sometimes had their problems - Jaron was in one of his moods again, and he didn't know what to do with the boy - but overall, it was the good life. The one that rich celebrities actually wanted.
His biggest issue was the dreams. Nightmares, of being a were-ape of the metaphorical variety - not a kind sort, but a chimpanzee, one who roared at his children and beat his mate very badly, and who always felt betrayed. He sobbed awake at least once a week, and then his wife would hug him and tell him it was okay, and it would be okay.
He was having a nightmare now. He wasn't the one hurting his wife - and it was his wife in this dream, just with a tail - but he was still a terrible ape and she was still screaming. The roaring pain of losing his tail (betrayed again, a part of him screamed) was almost a relief from the all-consuming guilt.
And as he came back to human form, he curled down and sobbed.
(AN: Whoops, I just made myself sad. Please make this bonus worth it.)
Valentine often thought he was the luckiest man in the world. His family never got sick, they didn't have to worry about money, his work was engaging, and his wife always made very sure that he knew how much she loved him. They sometimes had their problems - Jaron was in one of his moods again, and he didn't know what to do with the boy - but overall, it was the good life. The one that rich celebrities actually wanted.
His biggest issue was the dreams. Nightmares, of being a were-ape of the metaphorical variety - not a kind sort, but a chimpanzee, one who roared at his children and beat his mate very badly, and who always felt betrayed. He sobbed awake at least once a week, and then his wife would hug him and tell him it was okay, and it would be okay.
He was having a nightmare now. He wasn't the one hurting his wife - and it was his wife in this dream, just with a tail - but he was still a terrible ape and she was still screaming. The roaring pain of losing his tail (betrayed again, a part of him screamed) was almost a relief from the all-consuming guilt.
And as he came back to human form, he curled down and sobbed.
(AN: Whoops, I just made myself sad. Please make this bonus worth it.)
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- Academy City
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- They
Woah, woah. Let's not make the escape condition outright impossiblel that's a bit too far.it would be so funny if all Frieza had do to was to just ask "Please, could you let me down?"
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- Rockford, USA
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...eep.
Before I rule on this, what does the last line mean? Are you positing that Vegeta, coming out of oozaru, is going to revert to his Masqued form?
fictionfan
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Frieza is basically incapable of asking without adding threats.it would be so funny if all Frieza had do to was to just ask "Please, could you let me down?"
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Mostly that he's going to stop doing anything. And cry piteously. Masque or tailless Saiyan - he's not in a position to distinguish them right now.
Edit: I'd be fine with just directing all his attention toward us.
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
On net? How weak do you think Jaffur is?
Whereas I'd enjoy one, all else being even. Why would you want to undercut the climax? This has been a long time coming.
VicSage
Not Crazy
- Location
- Czechoslovakia
This is the part that made it beautiful. We're possibly the only person crazy enough in Saiyan society to have, shall we say, a series of absolutely mad contingencies in order to let loose the child capable of destroying star systems that wants to kill his own mother.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Because violence is basically always the worst way to resolve a problem the fact that it is the only way sometimes doesn't change that. Would much rather deal with him quickly and let them talk to each other with us moderating the discussion.
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- Mid-Atlantic
The thing is, you set it up as a vote choice that was highly likely to lose because of vote structure.Honestly, I hadn't even really thought about it terribly much, and there probably would have been an apology at some point...but then somebody made a point of writing it in, and it became a matter of contention.
Now, I'm assuming that wasn't intentional on your part.
If that wasn't intentional on your part, then surely it doesn't make sense to shrug the entire question of the apology off with an "Oh well, guess that won't be happening now ( ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) ." There are very few people contending about it either way. It would make far more sense for you to simply ignore the vote entirely and do whatever you think Kakara would naturally do under the circumstances (as usual when it comes to the details of Kakara's actions), than to decide "the people have spoken" in the form of a vote structured in a tilted fashion.
Unless I am BADLY mis-remembering, that was not an issue in the original formatting of my vote choice. I wanted to verbally say "I'm sorry" to Berra and telepathically transmit the 'do it' command to Dandelor.
Note that both Berra and Vegeta rolled VERY low on their Deceit checks against us when it was Powerball Time. You'd expect both of them to be at least medium-competent and more likely quite competent in that area, since, y'know, ruling politicians of half our people each. One of them blowing the roll is plausible, but both? Most likely explanation is the mind-whammy spell subverting their critical thinking and therefore their ability to detect a trick.
I think what we've been doing, as Poptart alluded, is more or less the optimal way to exploit that weakness. Namely, we've been trying weird shit and tactical deception, which our opponents are incapable of countering effectively because of massive maluses to their Deceit scores.
Given the psychological nature of those two individuals, it seems incredibly unlikely that they would ever be able to talk out their differences.
Far too much has been said and done, and far too many scars have been made, for us to have much hope of fixing this without, well... the same kind of mind control powers Dandeer used to 'fix' the situation between them.
Like, say, putting Lord Vegeta back under his Seal.
EDIT:
I mean, I can imagine a cease-fire between Jaffur and his father, maybe even a permanent one. But not real peace or real resolution. Not just by talking alone.
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Ah. Well, I don't think there will be much less violence if we stop that fight, and it will be bad for Jaffur if he doesn't get to contribute. (Heck, having it now might prevent a more serious one later.)
Not as obviously - you had used regular quotes for Dandelor-Kakara telepathy in the update.
Hence why this was a good idea.
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Okay, in that case it'll be non-canon, but still a nice little snapshot. Bravo! Bonus to handling Vegeta.
Simon, I structured it as you wrote it in -- as a main-line vote. Frankly, I didn't put any particular mental energy into that step. If that's the issue, structure it differently next time. Heck, vote for it in whatever structure you please now -- write-ins aren't closed, I'm just not advertising them anymore.
No, I didn't.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I didn't specify how long he'd be desperately hoping the dream is over... (I'd happily make it canonical if I could, but it needed to cut off there for thematic purposes. Any suggestions?)
I've checked again, and you're right. My bad.
VicSage
Not Crazy
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- Czechoslovakia
Didn't realize this, changing vote.
[X]Write-In:Ask Dandelor if the disabling is permanent
-[X]If Yes
--[X] That's a step too far. You can't do that to your own father.
---[X] Dad's thoroughly on the back foot. If you flash over to Vegeta now to take him down after he reverts to base, but before he goes to super saiyan, maybe Dad won't react in time.
-[X]If No
--[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
---[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
Because permanent mental and physical pain that stops us from having the leader of the clan and one of our five remaining Super Saiyans is a bad plan.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
The issue is that crying is not what he'll be doing when he finishes dropping out of oozaru.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
It has nothing to do with how weak Jaffur is and everything to do with action economy. The following course of action is what you're proposing:
(This update)
Vegeta: Recovering from having his tail blasted off, detransforming
Kakara: Wielding Dandeer-flail
Berra: Beaten back by Dandeer-flail
Dandelor: Holding the trigger on his spell
(Next Update)
Berra: Taken out by Dandelor's spell
Kakara: Reviving Jaffur
Vegeta: Sufficiently recovered to take out Senzu
Dandelor: Protecting Senzu
Jaffur: Being revived
Whereas this is what I'm proposing:
(This update)
As above
(Next update)
Berra: Taken out by Dandelor's spell
Kakara: Taking out Vegeta
Vegeta: Being taken out by Kakara
Dandelor: Taking out Yammar
The fact of the matter is, with action economy such as it is, we have to choose between running intereference for the Senzu/taking out Vegeta, and leaving that to Dandelor and reviving Jaffur -- in which case we have to deal with a full power Vegeta and Dandelor "wasted" his last action.
As for why I want to undercut the climax... I find it ludicrous to do dramatic for the sake of being dramatic. Effectiveness is what matters to me.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Fair enough. I just wish it wasn't mixed in with the cracky joking. Mood whiplash is not fun.
But we would have Jaffur up, and I expect him to be worth more than any single fighter on their side. The point about a missed opportunity on Dandelor's part is true, but, well, I suspect Jaffur can help with magic too. And it's not like we'd lose our Dandeer-flail and Dandelor's casting-turn.
It's for the sake of my enjoyment and Jaffur's mental health. The tactical concerns seem roughly equivalent.
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I acknowledge that I'm ultimately the one who structured it poorly, it's just frustrating that something that might have happened if I had simply done nothing is now overwhelmingly less likely to happen because I suggested it, but drafted the write-in vote poorly.
[iz depressed]
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Say "I'm sorry" to your father in spoken words before telepathically telling Dandelor to break the spell.
-[X] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
[except now I too am worrying about vote-splitting again, so approval-voting]
[x] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[x] Get to Jaffur and force-feed him one of your beans, afterwards. Do it before Vegeta gets back up, and the world will get the showdown for which it's been waiting so long.
[except now, inevitably, "apologize to Dad AND do any the other options" willbe less popular than "do any of the options,' so, well, fuuuu- ]
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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By the time Jaffur is useful as a spellcaster, combat will be over. If he's casting, he's not fighting, as you saw when he stood still for several seconds at the start of the fight. If he's not fighting, then again, we've got a fully-powered up Vegeta to deal with on our own.
I enjoy reading about Kakara winning in an effective way way way more than I enjoy reading about her winning in a dramatic or narratively appropriate way.
WorthyAlchemist?
100% certifiably without-a-doubt mediocre
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I feel prolonging the fight and risking everything going wrong within that time would make a few people a tad... frustrated. I'm not saying it's guaranteed to be the case but planning for the worst can't really hurt.
fictionfan
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That would take far too long. Also it is not permanent. Even if it was permanent we would get rid of it after the fight even if we have to spirt saiyan to get enough juice.
Vegeta's weakness is more time-critical than helping Jaffur. Even if Yammar gets past Grandma right now, we have a meatsheild and teleportation to help us break off to help Jaffur. Even if we can't do that, holding his attention puts him on a time limit while Dandelor works his magic and the Senzus go for Jaffur. Jaffur will definitely have mixed feelings later if we win without him, but that's why we're a diplomancer. Winning is more important. I want to minimize the number of factors that are still active that might have some way to blindside us.
...On the subject of apologies, I would have preferred to leave that to Poptart, but it seems I now have to specify that I'm not voting against it, which is annoying. I'm also going to trust that the quotation marks aren't literal and that Kakara will follow the spirit of the vote without being stupid.
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad. Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.
...On the subject of apologies, I would have preferred to leave that to Poptart, but it seems I now have to specify that I'm not voting against it, which is annoying. I'm also going to trust that the quotation marks aren't literal and that Kakara will follow the spirit of the vote without being stupid.
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. Sorry, Dad. "Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.
[X] ...you need to even the numbers. "I'm sorry, Dad. Dandelor, do it."
-[X] Vegeta is getting back into base form, which puts him back in the fight. Wielding Dandeer against him like you did to Dad should work just as well, and you can't leave him unaddressed.
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VicSage
Not Crazy
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- Czechoslovakia
For the first, it takes less than a second to telepathically ask "Is it permanent". We've been doing that the whole time. As for the second
We don't know it is not permanent. This is Magic we are dealing with, not necessarily the purely physical. Senzu beans might not cure it, and since they're also slightly magical they might even twist it in a strange way that makes it worse.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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He is not a super saiyan he is thinking in slow mo.
Good thing we have a sorcerer to help break any effect and can can feed him as much power as he might need.