He will probably hesitate.
Lowering the Power Level will probably allow any magic Dandeer chooses to use to take effect much more easily. It would result in a similar stand off, with Dandeer arguably having the bigger edge.
Dragon Ball: After the End
He will probably hesitate.
Lowering the Power Level will probably allow any magic Dandeer chooses to use to take effect much more easily. It would result in a similar stand off, with Dandeer arguably having the bigger edge.
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- Somewhere I shouldn't be
I really, really suggest you take some time to cool off. Yes, it's a setback. But seriously, chill out.
That's why I picked 80 million as the target power level. Dad would squish us like a bug, and will know it. But to anyone else, we're still significantly more powerful than they are, and we have enough ki to still (probably) have a chance at fighting any quick spell Dandoleer (distracted, heavily) can cast.
80 million implies base form, but is still more than 5x the normal maximum of a Saiyan.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Because outside of how frustrating Dandeer is the quest is otherwise extremely interesting, well put together and generally fun perhaps.
Regardless, I've had enough.
Spirit Sayin go.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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Synchronity + Spirit Saiyan = ????
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
A thought for another time perhaps.
That being said how long does charging up a spirit saiyan take?
Can I just say I know this is a joke (I think), but its dumb for a very simple reason.
I don't trust any of adults to be able to succeed a will check, fuck I don't trust them. I think they're a bunch of fucking screw ups and putting our life in their hands on the hope that Berra fishes his will power out of his ass is a terrible idea.
Sorry, my frustration is bleeding through.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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A while (in this battle at least) since you have to contact everyone and have them respond back.
Synchronity worldwide, if we could somehow get that up, would probably fix that issue though.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Can't we just contact the peoples in the room?
Like the Senzus?
We don't need everyone, just enough to go God Mode for a second knock out dad, break Dandeer's everything and go get a pizza.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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Hmm, fair point.
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- Somewhere I shouldn't be
It is not. Just as Jaffur hesitated to kill his mother (despite having plotted her death for literal YEARS), I strongly believe that Berra would not harm us were we to essentially drop our defenses.
We are his little girl. He held us as a baby and comforted us when we cried. He has watched us grow, and felt indescribable pride in our achievements. He will NOT hurt us.
Plus, it's very Shonen.
He'd get a huge bonus to that will save for not killing his daughter, plus I'm pretty sure he has several traits which would back him up. One thing that has been repeatedly pointed out to us in this quest is that we don't have to do everything.
So...you want Apra who is locked in a fight with an equal-strength opponent, the Senzus who are casualties waiting to happen, and Jaffur (who is pretty much certain to be unconscious) to stop fighting for their lives and lift their hands towards us in a completely defenseless position?
And give up significant portions of their ki, which they are using in said fights for their lives?
Um...I don't want to see most of our friends, family, and allies die today, m'kay?
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
You're trusting that idiot to do something right.
Given that we are in this situation to begin with this should be demonstrable evidence that he cannot do that, the fact that he just tried to blast us to oblivion should be proof of that.
You're trusting that colossal fuck up to finally do something right, you'll forgive me if I don't start placing my faith in that plan.
Fine then, back to plan A, instant teleport behind Dandeer and kidney punch.
kidney punch.
kidney punch.
kidney punch.
kidney punch.
kidney punch.
And pause...
kidney punch.
That should knock her out.
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We will have to agree to disagree, then. I disagree about your characterization of Berra, specifically.
If you want to discuss it, please take it to PMs, I don't think there's much to be gained by arguing it out in the thread.
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- Europe
I don't agree with @Nix's Warden's tone but I do echo his sentiment about Kakara's pacifism. At this point, Kakara is endangering the entirety of Exile society due to her unwillingness to kill a mass-murdering psychopath who's currently casting an unknown spell which will do who knows what. It seems to me that Kakara would rather let Dandeer cast this spell, which might cause another wave of mind control that would let her get away with murdering thousands, than kill her. My point is that the fact that Kakara doesn't want to kill her opponents is admirable but that she refuses to do so is immensely selfish and pig-headed. I respect that this is the result of character development throughout the story and I know at this point things aren't going to change due to the trait-system but it's one of the things I find most annoying about her as a character.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
That is alot more smarts then I was expecting or hoped for.
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- Somewhere I shouldn't be
He's also hovering just below the Ward threshold for power.
He seems to retain all of his intellect and cunning, perhaps the spell has simply skewed his perspective to the point where he believes Dandeer can do no wrong? Or perhaps that she is the most important person in the world to him?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Wait why did we hop away from Dandeer not towards her?
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
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- He/his
That is a terrible idea. Even if you trust Berra not to hurt Kakara and think he will beat the mind control, which is a huge gamble, a GO has the equivalent speed of a PL of 750 million. Which means that if we lower our power level then Berra could pop up next tous faster than Kakara can react, grab her in one hand, and then wait patiently for Dandeer to finish her spell since GO is tough and strong enough that once they grab someone, even a FPSS then they won't get free. So there would be no need for him to hurt Kakara to stop her.
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Well, I buy Dandeer's shield and I would even buy Jaffur's hesitation if killing was his only option of dealing with her. But why would it be? With such power gap he should have been able to easily disable her without killing. He is, presumably, some kind of fighting prodigy and he cannot control his strength to disable, but not kill, the opponent who is hundred times slower than he is? THAT is what irks me about this situation. If we were talking about battle between equals where you cannot win while holding back and killing is your only option, then I would understand his hesitation. But right now he had perfectly valid third option and still fucked up.
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He had plenty of other choices. He decided to kill her. He then hesitated because he could feel Kakara's disgust, and deep down he hesitated to kill his mother.
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- USA
Why didn't we keep close to Dandeer?
Anything that can harm us can harm Dandeer, so if we're basically next to her we're safe. I can understand Kakara making a mistake, but if it isn't a mistake I can't understand how distance would be better for us
Anything that can harm us can harm Dandeer, so if we're basically next to her we're safe. I can understand Kakara making a mistake, but if it isn't a mistake I can't understand how distance would be better for us
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- Academy City
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- They
discord Poptart said:
To my understanding, if we die here, we either switch to another protagonist charachter or follow Kakara's Afterlife adventure. If we're just mind controlled, the latter isn't an option but the former might still be.
We do know that if we had picked jaffur over Kakara, we could have kept playing even while sealed.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I meant it to be some-unspecified-time between the quote and the fight. But I suppose you're the one with access to the real future-sight rules.
I meant how you'd intended to phase the bonuses out entirely, but appear to have changed your mind. I assume the specificity was important?
Well, 'killing anyone who becomes a problem' is a little misleading. He's usually smart enough to notice the problem with giving the death penalty for anything too petty - I'll illustrate it with a funny quote:
Honestly, I was more surprised at that than with the reluctance loop.
Anyway, can I see the To-Do List? I want to add the following:
[] Research Celestial Habitation - with Capsule tech, we have the artificial gravity, and it should be fairly easy to modify Power Balls for indoor farming. Between those, their spaceship tech, and our army of people with literally world-shaping strength, we ought to be able to make enough living space for Tamar's people. (Priority: High. We won't be able to talk him down if his options are 'conquer or starve', and there may not be enough room on this planet as-is. Fortunately, we have a solar system to use.)
[] Research Senzu Bean Wrapper - I'm thinking a harmless plastic ball that contains a Senzu Bean and can be ingested, but won't break open in a stomach unless deliberately broken. A simple, silly, and useful trick. (Priority: Medium. It should be fast to do, but it's not that powerful. Even if we can ingest more than one and break them individually, or just keep them in a bag in our cheek, or something.)
[] Research Ki-tech - If one of our long-term goalposts (on the way to beating the Enemy) is to be able to beat an SS2 well before we become one, then those Ki-drainer things that Dr. Gero had sound really useful. (Priority: Medium. This is a long-term goal, but a cool one. Pastsight might be able to help.)
[] Research Other Magic - Just use past- and present-sight to figure out what magic can do besides Sealing. Some of those tricks could be really cool. (Priority: Medium-low. Depends on how much we know about Seeing is false, and also how much it's been used for this purpose.)
[] Research Ki-Pressure - Jaffur and Taro have both proved, in different ways, that Power Level and Power Output are not at all the same thing. This looks suspiciously like an unexplored aspect of Ki control. It might be useful in stealth, intimidation, improving the wards, and figuring out the foundational metaphysics of the setting. (Priority: High. This has relevance to so many things.)
[] Ask Endivan what Styles he used. (I'm guessing he mostly used Krillin, but it'd be good to check.) (Priority: Medium-Low.)
[] Ask the dead Z Fighters about how Seeing really works. It's scary how little of our knowledge we can actually trust. (Priority: As soon as we win this fight. This is big.)
[] Ask the dead Z fighters about how god-tiering works. (Priority: Medium. This is really powerful, but we probably can't use it yet.)
[] Synthesize own style, based on non-lethal takedowns. (Maybe with variation based on how available Senzu Beans are.) It'd be nice to have a fast way to beat people without killing them, as we've just seen.
[] ASK: Does the Senzu Clan have more than one garden? If it's dangerous to have too many of our Super Saiyans in one place...
[] ASK: Why did Dad and Grandma twitch when we said 'just came to an epiphany' about the Spirit Bomb?
[] ASK: Did everyone just forget about teasing Maya over her calling Karen pretty, or what?
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Having an epiphany mid-battle is one of the canonically-known ways to go SSJ2. They were realizing that Kakara may have been inches away from going SSJ2 and effectively laying out a welcome mat for The Enemy, or at least ending up having to be executed for violating the Law.
Not all interactions are on-screen, plus it was shortly after this that everyone discovered that we could split Garenhuld with an errant blink. I don't think they're teasing us much...
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Wow the character we're playing doesn't want to murder people what a pain in the ass am I right?
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- Actually pretty lost
Called it on the telepathy, but I was too late under the new write-in system.
Christ, this entire little arc has just been a clusterfuck of bad assumptions and shitty decisions apparently.
Christ, this entire little arc has just been a clusterfuck of bad assumptions and shitty decisions apparently.