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[]Before attacking, you're going to try and get them to do your job for you. You'll shout (at FPSSJ speeds) that Dandeer is attempting to kill herself, and that they must knock her out in order to protect her from herself. Without the time pressure, this whole situation becomes much simpler.
-[] if it fails, create a clone, have it go Oozaru. Have Apra do the same (no reason not to).
--[]The Oozaru attracts everyone attention (maybe telepathy message from her to make them believe she is going to prepare the genkidama?) and then uses solar flare once they're looking at her. Maybe have Apra use it as well (Double Solar Flare for Double The Fun!), At the same time FPSSJ Kakara "IT-attacks" Dandeer (maybe have Apra and Jaffur attack as well, if they're prepared for the solar flare and the enemies are blinded.)
---[]if this fails, try to send the memory of Dandeer killing the sorcerer to the 3 SSJ enemies through telepathy. Take advantage of any hesitation/distraction/new willpower check this causes them to AGAIN "IT ATTACK" DANDEER.
----[]Once Dandeer is out, and if the enemies do not stop fighting, have the oozaru go golden and fight while kakara prepares the spirit saiyan, or vice versa have the oozaru prepare the spirit saiyan while FPSSJ Kakara, Jaffur and Apra give her time.

EDIT: i don't think the first point will work, but it's worth a try. And if we have a clone go Oozaru, there is no reason for Apra not doing the same.
Also, while we can "IT attack" and our allies can't (at least i don't think Apra can use "IT", and i know Jaffur can't), if they are prepared to not be blinded by the solar flare there is no reason to not have them swarm Dandeer with us.
 
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Pittauro, two minor phrasing/grammar.

One, please use female gender pronouns for Kakara and/or Apra. It will reduce confusion about what you mean.

Two, you might want to phrase "instant transmission attack" with a hyphen as "IT-attack" to make it more clear that you mean an attack using instant transmission.
 
Pittauro, two minor phrasing/grammar.

One, please use female gender pronouns for Kakara and/or Apra. It will reduce confusion about what you mean.

Two, you might want to phrase "instant transmission attack" with a hyphen as "IT-attack" to make it more clear that you mean an attack using instant transmission.
Done.
I actually find it strange to use her/she when referring to Oozaru form. I automatically use "it" instead (and there was a he, but that was just distraction).

Opinion on the plan other than the grammar:p?
 
can't Jaffur just kaio-ken x5 in fpSSJ, defeat Goku and Vegeta in an instant and then kill Dendeer? Or would that break the halls wards @PoptartProdigy ?
He may try. The issue is that he's vastly more powerful than the last time he pulled that trick, and doing so is therefore much harder. He'd burn himself out far more swiftly, and he'd have even less time in which to act before the wards shattered (in fact, it's enough power that they might simply pop before he could do anything; Kakara is not familiar with the particulars of the wards' architecture, and doesn't know their tolerances for sudden spikes).
Not actually in this case. The, "a/an," split is nominally about consonants and vowels, but in practice it's about consonant and vowel sounds. It's a grammar distinction based in phonics. "Usurper," despite starting with a vowel, begins with a consonant sound, so it's, "a," in this case.
Was it this quest or another quest where kakara has ideas and thoughts based on discussion even if not explicitly part of a vote?
It was in this quest, but no longer.
@PoptartProdigy Do we have senzu beans with us? Do Yammar And Berra have them as well?
Yup.
Also, I'd submit that Kakara is angry enough at Dandeer, and aware enough of the magnitude both of her crimes and of the threat she presents, to be willing to kill her. Her previous resolution to never kill was made in (as far as she knew) a world without massive instant mind control powers. Her revisiting this decision under the circumstances is, to me, plausible.
If you really mean, "willing," and nothing more, then yes. Kakara will be willing to do whatever the players write in, as in, "Poptart will not have Kakara execute a revolt against the will of the player base."

That does not mean that she will see the use of lethal force as anything more than a moral failing -- on her part. The Protector trait made it so that Kakara is now willing to resort to force as a means of conflict resolution, but she is no longer willing to make exceptions in her moral code, even for somebody she loathes as much as Dandeer. This was not a pragmatic decision; it was a moral one. The new information does not affect her reasoning. To her, killing is wrong because it's wrong, not because it's a suboptimal means of conflict resolution. Wrong is wrong, even if right is hard. As the text states, killing will never be a default option, which represent the things Kakara first envisions as reactions to the situation. The players may still write in the use of lethal force, and if they do, Kakara will execute it, but she will go through with it telling herself that she is doing something ethically and morally repugnant.

That is the consequence. However, it is a consequence which you may, as you note, nevertheless elect to court in pursuit of a swift and permanent end to the situation.
 
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If you really mean, "willing," and nothing more, then yes. Kakara will be willing to do whatever the players write in, as in, "Poptart will not have Kakara execute a revolt against the will of the player base."

That does not mean that she will see the use of lethal force as anything more than a moral failing -- on her part. The Protector trait made it so that Kakara is now willing to resort to force as a means of conflict resolution, but she is no longer willing to make exceptions in her moral code, even for somebody she loathes as much as Dandeer. This was not a pragmatic decision; it was a moral one. The new information does not affect her reasoning. To her, killing is wrong because it's wrong, not because it's a suboptimal means of conflict resolution. Wrong is wrong, even if right is hard.
I am aware of this, and I am not in any way trying to argue with you or win a debate with you. I am simply observing that if Kakara did, purely hypothetically, decide that lethal force is not-wrong under certain conditions... Well, she wouldn't be the first person to decide on an absolutist ethical position in her early teens, then later decide the world was more complicated than that.

As the text states, killing will never be a default option, which represent the things Kakara first envisions as reactions to the situation. The players may still write in the use of lethal force, and if they do, Kakara will execute it, but she will go through with it telling herself that she is doing something ethically and morally repugnant.

That is the consequence. However, it is a consequence which you may, as you note, nevertheless elect to court in pursuit of a swift and permanent end to the situation.
This is compatible with my understanding of the situation.

If we'd voted for Kakara to "snipe" Dandeer in Gore17's sense of the word 'snipe' (that is, instantly lethal force), I would fully expect Kakara to have a moral crisis.

On the other hand, the fact "Kakara will have a moral crisis" is being presented by certain posters as a valid counter to the concern "if we don't do this, Dandeer may bad-end the quest." I don't consider a(nother) moral crisis to be as bad as a bad-ended quest, even if as a consequence of the moral crisis we lost a sweet bonus or something.

Again, I am not in any way trying to argue with you or debate Kakara's pacifism/protector-hood with you. I am simply trying to clarify what I was saying, both for you and for others who may read this.

Done.
I actually find it strange to use her/she when referring to Oozaru form.
Why, because giant gorillas are automatically masculine? :p

I automatically use "it" instead (and there was a he, but that was just distraction).

Opinion on the plan other than the grammar:p?
It makes good use of the special advantages and unconventional tricks at our disposal to bypass what is otherwise a very strong enemy defense. I don't know if it'll work but it's worth a try.

On the other hand, I definitely think we need to get Dandelor and, if possible, a bunch of Gokun sorcerors in here pronto, too; that's an OTHER vote not a FIGHT vote.
 
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Basically Kakara would kill if it has a high chance of saving lives, no more.
Since Dandeer at present is a clear and present danger to the general population and Kakara didn't see this coming, didn't prepare for it, didn't build up enough power for the confrontation until too late...
 
If you really mean, "willing," and nothing more, then yes. Kakara will be willing to do whatever the players write in, as in, "Poptart will not have Kakara execute a revolt against the will of the player base."

That does not mean that she will see the use of lethal force as anything more than a moral failing -- on her part. The Protector trait made it so that Kakara is now willing to resort to force as a means of conflict resolution, but she is no longer willing to make exceptions in her moral code, even for somebody she loathes as much as Dandeer. This was not a pragmatic decision; it was a moral one. The new information does not affect her reasoning. To her, killing is wrong because it's wrong, not because it's a suboptimal means of conflict resolution. Wrong is wrong, even if right is hard. As the text states, killing will never be a default option, which represent the things Kakara first envisions as reactions to the situation. The players may still write in the use of lethal force, and if they do, Kakara will execute it, but she will go through with it telling herself that she is doing something ethically and morally repugnant.

That is the consequence. However, it is a consequence which you may, as you note, nevertheless elect to court in pursuit of a swift and permanent end to the situation.
Serious question, not just asking to be contrary: does she consider killing to be worse than permanent enslavement via mind control?

Also, if we attempted to convince the enslaved as described here:
To be added as a subvote to another plan:
-[][OTHER] Before attacking, you're going to try and get them to do your job for you. You'll shout (at FPSSJ speeds) that Dandeer is attempting to kill herself, and that they must knock her out in order to protect her from herself. Without the time pressure, this whole situation becomes much simpler.
Could we do that as a Communication clash rather than a Deceit clash, on the basis thatwe genuinely believe that Dandeer is throwing away her only chance of getting out of this alive (i.e. we argue for her life in a trial, rather than Jaffur killing her here and now).
 
Basically Kakara would kill if it has a high chance of saving lives, no more.
more like "Kakara will kill if we plan for her to kill". She'll feel horrible after it though.
Why, because giant gorillas are automatically masculine? :p
well...yes! :rofl:
It makes good use of the special advantages and unconventional tricks at our disposal to bypass what is otherwise a very strong enemy defense. I don't know if it'll work but it's worth a try.

On the other hand, I definitely think we need to get Dandelor and, if possible, a bunch of Gokun sorcerors in here pronto, too; that's an OTHER vote not a FIGHT vote.
so for "Other": contact/have someone contact Dandelor and other sorcerers, and maybe contact mom about gathering the tien stylists for swarm attack.
 
Could we do that as a Communication clash rather than a Deceit clash, on the basis thatwe genuinely believe that Dandeer is throwing away her only chance of getting out of this alive (i.e. we argue for her life in a trial, rather than Jaffur killing her here and now).
Good thought, but I'm not sure there's any way to explain this complicated idea to someone stuck under mind control in a tactically reasonable timeframe.

Basically Kakara would kill if it has a high chance of saving lives, no more.
Well no, Kakara's stated present views are that any time you kill someone, it is a moral failing, and that killing is worse than anything other than, perhaps, absolutely certain failure to protect the many... No, Kakara would not "kill if it has a high chance of saving lives."

Kakara is basically following the Code of Batman here, complete with repeatedly trying to non-lethally subdue the Joker over and over, even knowing he may well escape and kill again.

Since Dandeer at present is a clear and present danger to the general population and Kakara didn't see this coming, didn't prepare for it, didn't build up enough power for the confrontation until too late...
Honestly, the two parts about this that frustrate me the most are:

1) Yammar committing a major ruthlessness/coldbloodedness fail by getting very close to Dandeer, mightiest sorceress on Garenhuld, and rendering himself vulnerable to getting bewitched. However, this is not in itself super-frustrating, because it's an understandable mistake for an angry man to make.

2) The part that really frustrates me is that there was no discussion of how to proceed tactically once Berra was on the team. It's like, did the conspirators' plan really end with "okay, we get Berra on-side, then confront Dandeer, then we win?" Did Berra, who was not at all briefed on the plan, have no input other than "gee, I really am quite angry at Dandeer, let me go with you to confront her?"

Because if we'd had a [TACTICS] vote on how to approach Dandeer in the Hall, we might well have avoided at least part of this (in particular avoided the part where Yammar got turned because he got up in Dandeer's face and was hit with instant mind control).
 
I am aware of this, and I am not in any way trying to argue with you or win a debate with you. I am simply observing that if Kakara did, purely hypothetically, decide that lethal force is not-wrong under certain conditions... Well, she wouldn't be the first person to decide on an absolutist ethical position in her early teens, then later decide the world was more complicated than that.

This is compatible with my understanding of the situation.

If we'd voted for Kakara to "snipe" Dandeer in Gore17's sense of the word 'snipe' (that is, instantly lethal force), I would fully expect Kakara to have a moral crisis.

On the other hand, the fact "Kakara will have a moral crisis" is being presented by certain posters as a valid counter to the concern "if we don't do this, Dandeer may bad-end the quest." I don't consider a(nother) moral crisis to be as bad as a bad-ended quest, even if as a consequence of the moral crisis we lost a sweet bonus or something.

Again, I am not in any way trying to argue with you or debate Kakara's pacifism/protector-hood with you. I am simply trying to clarify what I was saying, both for you and for others who may read this.
All well and good, but I'll leave it up for those who do feel inclined to debate.
Serious question, not just asking to be contrary: does she consider killing to be worse than permanent enslavement via mind control?

Also, if we attempted to convince the enslaved as described here:

Could we do that as a Communication clash rather than a Deceit clash, on the basis thatwe genuinely believe that Dandeer is throwing away her only chance of getting out of this alive (i.e. we argue for her life in a trial, rather than Jaffur killing her here and now).
Both are horrible, but mind control is reversible. Given the ongoing three-century drought on Dragon Balls, death is not.

If you try to convince them using the reasoning you just gave me, it would be Communication. If you try it with the phrasing in the vote, it would be Deceit.
 
Preliminary plans. They lack an indication about who should Kakara focus when she reenters the fight, Berra or Vegeta. Jaffur is more qualified to deal with Berra thanks to ki concentration but him having an overwhelming advantage might push Berra to use Kaioken.

[][FIGHT] Plan Spirit Monkey
-[][FIGHT] Disengage and let Jaffur engage them for a bit. Use the time he buys to make a clone using multiform and have it transform into Oozaru while Kakara remains FPSS.
-[][FIGHT] Go after Dandeer and stop her from preparing a spell. Oozaru neutralizes her while FPSS Kakara keeps her guards from interfering.
-[][FIGHT] Once Dandeer is neutralized, Oozaru charges a genki dama while Kakara fights so she can go Spirit Saiyan.

[ ][FIGHT] Plan Two Become One
-[][FIGHT] Disengage and let Jaffur engage them for a bit. Use the time he buys to make a clone using multiform and have it transform into Oozaru while Kakara remains FPSS.
-[][FIGHT] Go after Dandeer and stop her from preparing a spell. Oozaru neutralizes her while FPSS Kakara keeps her guards from interfering.
-[][FIGHT] Once Dandeer is neutralized, the Oozaru gives her ki to FPSS Kakara while the later lowers her super saiyan boost so as to not surpass the power level a golden oozaru would have.

[ ][FIGHT] Plan Do it with (Tien) Style!
-[][FIGHT] Disengage and let Jaffur engage them for a bit. Use the time he buys to make a clone using multiform and have it transform into Oozaru while Kakara remains FPSS.
-[][FIGHT] Go after Dandeer and stop her from preparing a spell. Oozaru neutralizes her while FPSS Kakara keeps her guards from interfering.
-[][FIGHT] Once Dandeer is neutralized, help distract Yammar so that Apra can disengage and make a clone. Apra's clone transforms into oozaru and uses Ki Overload to blitz Berra and defeat him
 
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RAHHHHHH salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt.

Sigh...I'll keep it in I promise.

That being said @PoptartProdigy forgive me if others have asked these questions already I imagine they already have.
1. How intelligent are her victims by our best indicator? The update says their eyes are blank, but do things like posture indicate that their acting on instinct or that there's something in there that's actively thinking?
2. The update says that Lord Vegeta is in play, but specifically is Lord Vegeta Lord Vegeta AKA the man she sealed or is it still the masque body moving around and the like, but accessing power like Jaron did?
Also an aside, but where did he come from? Errugh does she cart him around when she's goes to the hall like a creepy flesh teddy bear...
3. Also when did she take control of Berra? For Yammar we see her stick her hand on his head, for Vegeta she's had ages to make a trigger for it, but Berra? We hear him yell "BUTCHER" and then next thing we see of him he's touching down to guard her? Is his mental state just so fragile ATM that she could take control of him long distance or did she implant him with commands over time in meetings because I can hardly imagine she's fast enough to stick her palms on a moving max power super sayin?? (A lot of this is musing, but I promise the question is there.)
4. Dunno how long it's been, but can we see what her "preparations" consist of ATM? Is she muttering, hand seals, drawing stuff?
5. This I promise is my only salt question, but did Yammar and Berra fail their will saves, or did they not even get them? (This is more because I can't see anything like invisi text, it would make me feel better though to know they just ****ed up rather than she could just stick palm to forehead and mind control two super sayins who (I presume) hate her guts more than anything at the moment.)
6. How big a deal would the wards on the hall going down actually be? I presume big, but frankly it seems like we've got bigger fish to fry.

And now I return to salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt (repeated adinfinitum...or maybe I just return to my dinner that seems like a better idea. salt too).
 
We already fought that dragon alien dude as four full power golden giant monkey Saiyans going all out, outside the wards.

Incorrect actually.

Whilst the fight took place outside the Hall Wards, the Saiyans had the entire Sorceror population on-hand doing a custom Ward hiding the energy of the fight.

The Ward was way way stronger than the Hall Wards, it had to be to hide the fight which had four golden Apes and Dazarel.

It also wasn't a sustainable Ward, or the Hall Wards would be better than they are, it took the entire Sorceror population, all at once, burning themselves out, to sustain a Ward of that level that only had to last a few minutes.

On the update itself...don't really feel much like commenting till it's all resolved. Others have mentioned the face-melting stupidity of everyone inexplicably grandstanding and monologuing instead of instantly dealing with the critical threat. And yeah, it kind of feels like a rehash of the whole sorceror-god Dandeer thing, what with the work of all the seers being apparently totally trivialised.
 
That assumes that the orders are being interpreted extremely literally. It would not be unreasonable to regard "backing up your fellow guard" as a method of protecting Dandeer, given that failing to do so is extremely likely to result in your ally's defeat, followed by your own at which point Dandeer is defenseless.

They're already being pretty stupid about just standing there until somebody makes a move on Dandeer. I suspect that rather than usurp their entire minds o upload a sophisticated program she has burned herself even giving basic orders and won't be able to update them without spoiling the spell she's working. In any case, it's quick and easy to find out.

In fact, since they've already demonstrated that they're not going to go out of their way to help their third ally, Kakara and Jaffur can go help Apra end her fight quickly, then either go after them three-on-two or two-on-two with one Super Saiyan headed straight for Dandeer. That's probably the single fastest way possible to reliably bring the fight to Dandeer.
 
3. Also when did she take control of Berra? For Yammar we see her stick her hand on his head, for Vegeta she's had ages to make a trigger for it, but Berra? We hear him yell "BUTCHER" and then next thing we see of him he's touching down to guard her? Is his mental state just so fragile ATM that she could take control of him long distance or did she implant him with commands over time in meetings because I can hardly imagine she's fast enough to stick her palms on a moving max power super sayin?? (A lot of this is musing, but I promise the question is there.)
Given that she's been working closely with Berra for years, and that if I remember rightly we have indications she was using magic during her explanation to Berra when she lied about being attacked by Jaffur, I suspect that Dandeer has been subtly laying compulsions onto Berra's mind for a long time.

This is actually a possibility we considered when planning for the Unsealing, and indeed we planned for her to be able to break a mind-controlled Lord Vegeta out of storage too. What we didn't count on was Yammer getting turned so easily, which greatly complicated matters.

5. This I promise is my only salt question, but did Yammar and Berra fail their will saves, or did they not even get them? (This is more because I can't see anything like invisi text, it would make me feel better though to know they just ****ed up rather than she could just stick palm to forehead and mind control two super sayins who (I presume) hate her guts more than anything at the moment.)
I suspect Berra 'fucked up' by being insufficiently cautious around Dandeer at some point in the past five years and getting a 'suspended sentence' mind control spell laid on him.

Yammar, well... fucked up.

6. How big a deal would the wards on the hall going down actually be? I presume big, but frankly it seems like we've got bigger fish to fry.
HUGE. The Hall is our main means of hiding saiyan power levels from the outside world- and galaxy.

Without the Hall wards, every Exile must constantly suppress their power level at all times, or it will become obvious to the incoming alien armada how numerous and powerful we are. We'll have no large, useful place to hide from them, and no secure place to hide our prisoners.

Without the Hall wards, the Exiles will have no place to train or to hold major contests of power without being detected. This will, over time, be very bad for the Exiles' capacity to defend themselves.

Most importantly, without the Hall wards, there is literally no place on Garenhuld we can train super-saiyans and be confident a passing spaceship and its passengers in some other star system won't detect the power of a super-saiyan coming from Garenhuld. At which point it becomes far more likely that the Enemy will detect us and come for us. This is made even worse by the fact that a power sufficient to break the Hall wards would be something like PL 2 billion, visible from much of the way across the galaxy. As such, it would likely be detected immediately by people and the word would get out. The Exiles of Garenhuld would be outed, and the Enemy would find out and come for us, destroying our planet in the process because we don't have nearly the power to stop him (the Z fighters threw two gods and a few Super Saiyan 3s at him, and it wasn't enough, possibly wasn't nearly enough).
 
Ah crap there was another question I wanted to ask...

Sigh I really should only ask questions after eating.

Still to other people does the instant transport ability only work on living things, if not assuming Dandeer is still on the floor, could we teleport it her and us into orbit?
 
Anyways... I need some imput to complete the battle plans:

Preliminary plans. They lack an indication about who should Kakara focus when she reenters the fight, Berra or Vegeta. Jaffur is more qualified to deal with Berra thanks to ki concentration but him having an overwhelming advantage might push Berra to use Kaioken.

[][FIGHT] Plan Spirit Monkey
-[][FIGHT] Disengage and let Jaffur engage them for a bit. Use the time he buys to make a clone using multiform and have it transform into Oozaru while Kakara remains FPSS.
-[][FIGHT] Go after Dandeer and stop her from preparing a spell. Oozaru neutralizes her while FPSS Kakara keeps her guards from interfering.
-[][FIGHT] Once Dandeer is neutralized, Oozaru charges a genki dama while Kakara fights so she can go Spirit Saiyan.

[ ][FIGHT] Plan Two Become One
-[][FIGHT] Disengage and let Jaffur engage them for a bit. Use the time he buys to make a clone using multiform and have it transform into Oozaru while Kakara remains FPSS.
-[][FIGHT] Go after Dandeer and stop her from preparing a spell. Oozaru neutralizes her while FPSS Kakara keeps her guards from interfering.
-[][FIGHT] Once Dandeer is neutralized, the Oozaru gives her ki to FPSS Kakara while the later lowers her super saiyan boost so as to not surpass the power level a golden oozaru would have.

[ ][FIGHT] Plan Do it with (Tien) Style!
-[][FIGHT] Disengage and let Jaffur engage them for a bit. Use the time he buys to make a clone using multiform and have it transform into Oozaru while Kakara remains FPSS.
-[][FIGHT] Go after Dandeer and stop her from preparing a spell. Oozaru neutralizes her while FPSS Kakara keeps her guards from interfering.
-[][FIGHT] Once Dandeer is neutralized, help distract Yammar so that Apra can disengage and make a clone. Apra's clone transforms into oozaru and uses Ki Overload to blitz Berra and defeat him

Namely, who do we focus on after dealing with Dandeer. Berra is the higher threat because he knows kaioken and Jaffur is better at fighting than us but we have to consider that if we force Berra to use kaioken then he might die or pop the wards. We could also set Jaffur against Vegeta and hope he beats him fast enough to help against Berra or Yammar but Berra specialises in fighting multiple people by separating them with IT so that would probably not be that much of an advantage.
 
And what's the maximum that the supers can reach? Tens of thousands is no more than a soap bubble to them at this point. Without an omnidirectional shield powered by one of her pawns she should be a dead woman.

A reminder that we have already been stopped cold by some goober Sorcerer.

You drop out in the staffing areas, near the center, and ping-

pingpingping

You take in the data from the others. Between the three of you, you can sense everything in the prison.

Including one power level at a measly twenty thousand, not even fast enough to even begin panicking at your sudden proximity and power. You lunge in-
Kakara vs. Sorcerer On Readied Ground [Dueling vs. Magic]: 182 vs 537.
crunch

You blink from your new position under several feet of stone. Wha...?

Your eyes widen. You moved in. Figure in a black cloak. Glowing circle. Thrust vanishing. Floor rapidly approaching.

Sorcerer.

You ignite your aura and let the ground explode upwards around you. A yelp sounds from somewhere in the storm, and you float up, aura flaring.

A woman in the customary black robe of an Exile Sorcerer is in the middle of stumbling back, an array of wards surrounding her. The hood has fallen off of her face. She's pretty old -- in her Masque, her hair is going grey at the temples.

Your fingers flash up to frame your face. "Taiyoken!"

LIGHT

The Sorcerer yelps again as her eyes stop working.

You take a moment to survey the situation. The woman has some shrapnel wounds from the exploding floor. She's blinded.

Her hands are already flipping through several hand seals, even as she grits her teeth against the pain.

You don't feel like letting her finish, and fire a ki blast at her.
Kakara vs. Sorcerer With Readied Shield [Ki Manipulation vs. Magic]: 123 vs. 94.
A glittering shield pops up in the path of your blast and shatters, fragments twisting in the air, but the blast itself is expended and the woman untouched. She finishes the hand seal. "Recall," she gasps.

She blurs, zipping right past you on her way towards the exit.

Your eyes widen in fury and you give chase.
Kakara vs. Sorcerer [Flight vs. Magic]: 83 vs. 31.
She's fast, certainly. But as you follow in her wake, something becomes clear: she is not in control of her trajectory at the moment. You're pretty sure that at her power level she's not even capable of tracking her surroundings.

Your fingers flash to your forehead.

vip

As you come out of the Transmission, you spin, your leg lashing out at chest height.

The Sorcerer slams into it, limbs flying and eyes bugging out as she loses all the air in her body and, swiftly, consciousness. She collapses to the ground, limbs splayed. You take a gasp of air, only just realizing that you had been holding it.

Then you feel your father tearing through the prison at full power -- before, mercifully, dropping down the instant his opposition is defeated -- and One coming back in through the gates. A flash of telepathy ensues between you and the others, you-

vip

Dandeer can almost certainly do better.
 
Basically Kakara would kill if it has a high chance of saving lives, no more.
Since Dandeer at present is a clear and present danger to the general population and Kakara didn't see this coming, didn't prepare for it, didn't build up enough power for the confrontation until too late...



To be fair, lethal force is not needed. A KO or speech-incapacitation her would work just as well.
Using canon Babidi again, a sorcerer has been shown to be able to cast spells (or at least his shield spell) with half his body destroyed, but not if he is unable to talk (Buu holding him by the throat), so we should "simply" aim to her mouth. (or lungs ? but people in shounen usually the baffling ability to continue talking even with big fat holes clean through their chest...)
A literally destroyed jaw is probably not lethal to a Saiyan with a few hundred thousands in power level, but will render her effectively powerless.

As to whether or not that (or her death) would actually break the mind-control and/or any other ongoing spells she has cast, that is an other issue. I'm going to to assume "no" and use it as a reason for non-lethal takedown of Dandeer, so that afterwards she can be used to actively dispel her ongoing spells.

And to think we were scolded for reacting like that

I couldn't keep it in.

Still anyone think Berra may consider abdicating after this? Can the Lord/Lady even abdicate if the Scion hasn't produced a bebby?
Coonsidering the fucked up situation, I'm going to assume that even if rules are not in place for such a thing in Goku Clan, that they will be put into place real damn fast.
Hell, it's the kind of situation that makes a Name Taboo, I fully expect no-one will ever name their child "Berra" or "Dandeer" after this. At least for a couple of generations...


Still to other people does the instant transport ability only work on living things, if not assuming Dandeer is still on the floor, could we teleport it her and us into orbit?
The given explication for IT is that you lock up on a living target from his/her aura, and somehow reach them through space-time simply by willing it to be so. Also, IT sensing range in canon is bullshit.
There are cases were that was actually an issue (ie: Cell bomb/suicide).

In-quest it has been mentioned multiple times that since the Training Hall Wards hide everyone in there from everyone out, you can't IT from outside the Hall to inside it.
 
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A reminder that we have already been stopped cold by some goober Sorcerer.



Dandeer can almost certainly do better.
We were at a PL of 15 million there. I agree Dandeer probably has a trick or two, but I'm pretty sure she can't stand up to an angry FPSSJ for any appreciable length of time. This is in no way prepared ground.

To be fair, lethal force is not needed. A KO or speech-incapacitation her would work just as well.
Using canon Babidi again, a sorcerer has been shown to be able to cast spells (or at least his shield spell) with half his body destroyed, but not if he is unable to talk (Buu holding him by the throat), so we should "simply" aim to her mouth.
A literally destroyed jaw is probably not lethal to a Saiyan with a few hundred thousands in power level, but will render her effectively powerless.
She literally just MC-ed Yammar without a word.
 
Just a quick reminder that our world is surrounded by two rings of starsystems FPSSJ 1.125b can be sensed from the first ring SSJ2 1.875b can be sensed from the second ring, not across the galaxy.
 
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