The problem is that contacting Gohan takes time, and we're in a hurry.
we're in a hurry now. Before we had enough minutes to spare, at least in my opinion. Still understandable.
Dandeer has been avoiding Yammar with very good reason; remember that Yammar threatened to kill her at Second Garenhuld.
I think this was a field expedient- Dandeer cast this on the fly. Yammar's colossal mistake here was getting physically close enough for Dandeer to touch him, or even so much as raise her hand without getting blasted. Like seriously, Yammar, the one thing I respected you for was your tactical judgment, combining good tactical judgment with extreme, horrifying ruthlessness is your hat. You had one job, which was to be the ruthless guy who wouldn't let Dandeer so much as blink without your leave, and you fucked it up.
[facepalm]
Without that, we'd be four-on-two instead of three-on-three and this situation would look a lot better.
You're probably right. And really, Yammar was too careless. It should have been Jaffur to go that close. He would have probably been able to resist the spell.
Oh hey, Solar Flare! That used to be, like, one of our signature tactics! That would work GREAT; it's area-effect, it's nonlethal, and it'll incapacitate at least some of our opponents.
plan 1: simple and effective
Complication one: that leaves Jaffur and Apra fighting two-to-three odds.
Complication two: we can't sense the energy of people inside the Hall, we're inside the Hall, so we may not be able to teleport straight to Dandeer.
plan 2:
1) it would be only for a few seconds. It's a risk, but not THAT BIG of a risk.
2) if we're inside the hall, we can feel inside the hall. we just need to IT somewhere INSIDE the hall that we can hide. I think it's large enough that there should be a suitable place.
This is a distinct hazard.
plan 3:
..i was about to ask what's the hazard, as we used Golden Oozaru before, then i remembered the alien invaders are close enough they might be able to sense us. Still, if we keep our power just under what the wards can handle it's doable, isn't it?
Yeah, but massed sorcerors might still be worth something.
Firstly, the massed sorcerors might be able to depower the mind-controlled super-saiyans. Secondly, they might collectively be able to block Dandeer's actions if they're all counterspelling her, which is important because the REAL bad end condition here is "Dandeer finishes casting another planet-wide mind control spell." Thirdly, it looks like the mind-controlled super-saiyans are only attacking people who directly threaten Dandeer right now, and that means the sorcerors can stand back and act in relative safety.
plan: 4
fair point.
plan 5:
i notice i'm confused: is it sarcasm, or are you serious? because i don't understand why plan 3 would be an hazard, but this one wouldn't. Could you explain?
Vegeta blew through that mind control by sheer force of will: "You may have invaded my mind and my body, but there's one thing a saiyan always keeps, HIS PRIDE!" is like the textbook thing to say while doing with a willpower push that which would normally be impossible. I doubt Gohan has useful tactical advice to give us that justifies the opportunity cost of time consumed.
plan 6:
fair enough, i retract plan 6
Hey, that's clever. I like that.
plan 7:
thank you
. I think it's something Dandeer would never expect: she is so focused on the super saiyans she wouldn't even CONSIDER normal saiyans being a threat, or us being willing to risk all their lives.. but if it's only multiforms, there is no real risk of them dying
We're working with the Senzus, the guys who grow senzu beans, to the point where they are literally named after senzu beans. Who Poptart has told us LITERALLY have more senzu beans in the fridge than they know what to do with, to the point where they're running out of fridge space.
If we don't have senzu beans with us as a basic, common-sense preparation under the circumstances, I am giving up here and now, because that is just taking the Idiot Ball too far.
oh, i agree. It's just that,
technically, we were never explicitely shown to take senzu beans with us
Just want to be sure.
Possible desperation ploy: Tabe Stauber has the Overdrive ability to temporarily boost his power level. And he's skillful enough as a young hotshot to win a planetary tournament WITHOUT using Overdrive. Which puts him on the same tier in terms of talent as Jaffur or Berra (the only fighter on the planet we know of who has an Elite-ranked skill)
Tabe's the only other person on the planet who has a realistic chance of staying in the ring with a super-saiyan for at least a few moments. If we could bring him in to very briefly tie up one of our opponents, it'd give us a temporary advantage.
The problem is that if the fight dragged out for any length of time the poor kid would probably run out of juice and get his head torn off. I don't really think it's worth the risk, but I wanted to mention it.
one problem: overdrive Tabe was about as strong as an UNTRAINED super saiyan.
He could probably surprise Dandeer if he went for her, but he wouldn't last even 10 seconds against a FPSSJ.
Really, he kept up with Kakara only because he took her by surprise, because of the difference in skill, and because she was not sure about how hard she would need to hit him to stop him WITHOUT killing him. She only sensed 15 million from him after all.
Technically we already screwed. If that was true the quest would be over already.
We already fought that dragon alien dude as four full power golden giant monkey Saiyans going all out, outside the wards. That was months ago.
SSJ2 might attract his attention, possibly, but we already know that SSJ Monkey doesn't mean game over.
problem is, we have alien invaders close to our system. They were not this close when we fought Dazarel.
There is a risk they might be close enough to sense us. Not as bad as going ssj2, as it would be confined to us being sensed by them at most, but still pretty bad.
