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- Actually pretty lost
How did Kakara manage to speak to them all then - did the Genki Dama turn us into an Omniglot?
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Well, on one level, yes, given that no one person can truly know another -- and to a significant extent, one can only imperfectly know oneself. On another, I can give you Kakara's best guess, and her best guess is that she's not looking forward to telling him. For one thing, doing that will mean she's begun to move against him, which she dreads for more than one reason. For another, she predicts that the revelation will nearly shatter him. Berra tries very hard to be a good man, and knowing what he unknowingly abetted will likely be devastating to him.
I model telepathy as having a translation feature, or alternatively something like Allspeak. Simplifies things.
You don't, I think.
It gathers ki from inanimate places as well as animals/plants; people make it much more productive, but to the best of my knowledge it would work in an empty star system.
And I'm not sure I know of any reason why you can't train it with a relatively small number of volunteers either. Couple hundred people.
Of course the GM might disagree.
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Hell, we can survive in vacuum IIRC. Go do it on the moon.
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- Actually pretty lost
So "yes, but she always had that." Neat! You should put it in the skill description!
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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Now to convert Dazarel with something he's never been exposed to before, and so will have no defenses against.
Mass Media! Preferably anime, but whatever.
Good luck trying to convince yourself to eat Garenhuld when it means no more possibilities of Avatar the Last Airbender getting a season 3!
Mass Media! Preferably anime, but whatever.
Good luck trying to convince yourself to eat Garenhuld when it means no more possibilities of Avatar the Last Airbender getting a season 3!
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
That reminds me, I've been meaning to ask since that update but I always forget. Did we get telepathy xp from that? Also, it seems we talked to Jaffur by manipulating sound instead of via telepathy so how does that work?
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
"Garenhild was a mistake"
::: Dazarel
You know how one of the reasons we haven't spilled is the fear that Dandeer would just erase Jaron and seal Jaffur "properly"? What would Berra's predicted reaction to such a scenario be, considering it's basically his friend/ally casually talking about/attempting/succeeding in the murder of the son she's been raising for the last several years?
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- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Nope.
Much as people have sense thresholds for noise, they have it for telepathy. Thus why I continue to use caps or boldtext for telepathy, as there is meaningful volume modulation. And much as with hearing, telepathy admits of power level boosting.
Extremely, extremely displeased. To say the least. He is not in this to remove Jaffur. He believes that he and Dandeer are fixing Jaffur. He would not be up for removing Jaron, either. Kakara predicts that divulging this information would result in Berra immediately withdrawing his support for the Sealing, and finding a different solution with more time to consider the ramifications. He only rushed in the first place because he was convinced that it was urgent on the scale of hours. Kakara does not believe he would repeat that mistake.
- Location
- USA
She also didn't believe he'd do something like this in the first place
I could see him being convinced that the Jaron/Jaffur situation is a case of things going horribly wrong and causing a split personality. The split personality is bad and would need to be "fixed". Not worth the risk, and he'll just have to live with his sins.
We can trust him to do "good" so long as "good" is his definition of it. And for all that we're great at social, I don't care to take the risk in controlling what he sees as good in the situation.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
So the reasoning behind not telling Berra and waiting until we can release him is that he would think Jaffur isn't fixed. So he would probably look for a way to free/keep alive Jaron and another way to deal with Jaffur that doesn't involve having him trapped but he would retain the misgivings that lead to him supporting the sealing in the first place and would be ok with a similar alternative to how it was supposed to work? After all, it is not that he wants Jaffur out of play, he wants him not to have extremely violent tendencies and has no reason to think they went away yet.
I mean, given his push to have more saiyan psychologists it sounds to me like he would have been ok to try sending Jaffur to one, had he not thought he was immediately dangerous to people and if he could know for sure he would go to one and be willing to try. The whole "mad enough to try to kill his own mother when he lost his temper" did seem pretty damning though so I can see why he didn't think that possible. If the patriarch was someone other than Yammar he might have been convinced to let Jaffur be released into their custody for reformation... though he would have still been worried about Dandeer's safety so probably not.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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>Implying he wouldn't end up addicted to something like The Flash
...I just realized that under Garenhulder tendencies, The Flash is at least half horrifying.
Probably the main reason that Dazarel will like it.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Hm... so it seems that if we can arrange for Dandeer to commit some crime that can't be swept under the rug (attacking Kakara publically?), we could then arrange for Jaffur to be kept under the Senzu clan's ward until they can figure things out with his seal.
What's Berra's problem with the Senzu clan specifically?
What's Berra's problem with the Senzu clan specifically?
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Their head almost transformed into a super saiyan, they are on open rebellion and they want to destroy the seal.
Also, Dandeer is currently the regent of the Vegeta clan and currently their maximum legal authority. If she attacked Kakara publicaly, that is not a crime, that is a declaration of war on clan Goku (assuming she does so with magic, because if she tries to with ki there is no way she could actually harm us and everyone knows that). In case Dandeer were removed because of something like that, it would not be a case of us arranging something like that; Yammar would default to be the regent of Vegeta clan.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
*Is still kind of hoping we try to de-enemy dandeer at some point*
I mean, she gave to the Spirit Bomb, so the potential is there at least.
I mean, she gave to the Spirit Bomb, so the potential is there at least.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Ehhh. I'm not saying the potential isn't there, but assuming the Spirit Bomb is evidence she could be made an ally is... questionable. We don't know why she gave, we don't even know if she would give again in a comparable situation. It could well be that she gave because it's a sort of religious experience for her, or because of the obvious political reasons of 'and why is she just about the only one not giving' if she chooses to, well, not give. There's plenty of possible reasons why a completely committed to being our enemy Dandeer would do so, and thus treating it as some manner of proof here is... very questionable.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I would loveto have de-enemied Dandeer, but we burned that bridge pretty thoroughly by asking her abuser permission to train her son.
This I find is quite interesting, if we move against him, not sure if telling him is the same as moving against him but doing so will break our father's sense of right and wrong due to the sealing so its best to bring him in earlier and let him atone for what he unknowingly abetted. That way he can still help us change the Saiyan race into a new era.
I don't think she can accept a father holding large amount of guilt inside and self question his future decsions when we need him at his best for the coming changes.
Also he still need to be a father instead withdrawing for fear of messing up and becoming Lady Goku this early is a big no no.
I wonder if we can get Apra to quietly talk to Kala and get her to understand the full detail before teaming up with Carrick Balor in order to present an united face and intervention to Berra. And if he wants proof that Jaron and Jaffur is not being violently abusive it would be best if Kakara let him mind delve her of all her interaction with those two after the sealing.
Let him understand how those two change after the sealing with her memories.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
1) Politics. She's the current head, if only by the letter of the law, of House Vegeta. It would be much wiser to make friends with her so as to manipulate her to our point of view. Just because "she's an awful person" doesn't mean she can't still be useful.
2)Jaffur/Jaron. It'd be much easier to get her on our side with regard to unsealing Jaffur and helping with making Jaron his own person if she didn't loathe us with the fury of a thousand suns.
3)She's a powerful sorceror. There's a lot we could do with that kind of a contact.
4)She's an abuse victim. This doesn't excuse what she's done, but it does explain it. Her husband abused herself and her son constantly, and she deserves empathy for that even if what she did in response was wrong.
e: And on a more personal level, I don't think that there is a single person in existence that the world is better off without in absence of the harm they do. If we can convince her not to do harm, then I am perfectly willing to let everything she's done go, and we're much more likely to be able to convince her of that as a friend than as an enemy.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Let the record state that I would like to very seriously consider trying to convince Berra of the need to un-Seal Jaffur before we go and do it ourselves.
Like, maybe we seize Jaron and put him in an unknown location (heck, the Senzus have a spaceship, we could stash him off planet). We talk to Berra with Apra alongside. Yammar should... probably stay out of that conversation, because Berra hates Yammar and blames him for everything that has happened.
If Berra is still willing to fight to keep Jaffur sealed after everything we can tell him... well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. If he isn't, we've basically just won the whole thing with minimal fighting. Obviously Dandeer is still a problem while all of this is going on, but she's a LOT more manageable if she doesn't have Berra on-side.
Berra, notably, would hate this, because he hates Yammar.
Fair, although in our defense Dandeer literally had a chance to perform mind surgery on her abuser and remove all the parts of his psyche she didn't like. If she still has problems with him as a man, a husband, or a parent, she has basically only herself to blame.
Dazarel has done things just as bad if not worse, to literally billions of times more people, without a shred of remorse. And we want to de-enemy him.
Dazarel may not be as much of an asshole, but there's a difference between "I don't want to de-enemy Dandeer because she's done so much evil" and "I don't want to de-enemy Dandeer because she's an asshole."
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Ah, I think I may not have been clear: In the context of the situation we were asking the Actual Head of House Vegeta (who was the one who abused her), not her then-adoring husband (though he was, of course, the one that answered), as a way to get around having to ask her ourselves. It was a very spiteful act by its nature, because on top of her husband not knowing what was going on, we were suborning her authority as Jaron's mother something we knew she had a problem with, rightfully or not.
Love it, of course we should let Berra and Kala and others handle Dandeer while everyone else deal with the unsealing and if need it to hold Jaron and Jaffur down before they go off murder their mother.
Should add sorcerers to both group just in case, at the last minute.