I'm slightly worried because, putting aside moral qualms in general (it's a bit too normal corporate evil), I'm worried it could be detrimental to Mirage's loyalty given...History, and, as a Council member, she has acess to our deepest secrets and veto power over pur choices, so her loyalty is important. Especially since she already tends to veto pur more...Long-shot choices.
Realistically, I don't think we need to or should be getting involved in National Defense. Even if we get up to neutral federal opinion we would be climbing that field from step 1 without any real prior focus on it. We have a significant amount of other industries we're working with and want to improve on as is, where if we want government relations that badly we have terraforming right there.

Plus like you said, Mirage is one of our best heroes and councilors, where prodding at her trauma isn't exactly high on my wishlist, especially when considering opportunity cost. Though with the Inator there is a real chance we'll be functionally forced into picking develop military vehicles just off of other actions getting cut off potentially.
 
Realistically, I don't think we need to or should be getting involved in National Defense. Even if we get up to neutral federal opinion we would be climbing that field from step 1 without any real prior focus on it. We have a significant amount of other industries we're working with and want to improve on as is, where if we want government relations that badly we have terraforming right there.

Plus like you said, Mirage is one of our best heroes and councilors, where prodding at her trauma isn't exactly high on my wishlist, especially when considering opportunity cost. Though with the Inator there is a real chance we'll be functionally forced into picking develop military vehicles just off of other actions getting cut off potentially.
Yeah...Like, I want to work with the Feds, but I still don't trust them. I'd prefer to do the II actions. After all, poking weird stuff with science is our specialty!
 
I'm slightly worried because, putting aside moral qualms in general (it's a bit too normal corporate evil), I'm worried it could be detrimental to Mirage's loyalty given...History, and, as a Council member, she has acess to our deepest secrets and veto power over pur choices, so her loyalty is important. Especially since she already tends to veto pur more...Long-shot choices.

Realistically, I don't think we need to or should be getting involved in National Defense. Even if we get up to neutral federal opinion we would be climbing that field from step 1 without any real prior focus on it. We have a significant amount of other industries we're working with and want to improve on as is, where if we want government relations that badly we have terraforming right there.

Plus like you said, Mirage is one of our best heroes and councilors, where prodding at her trauma isn't exactly high on my wishlist, especially when considering opportunity cost. Though with the Inator there is a real chance we'll be functionally forced into picking develop military vehicles just off of other actions getting cut off potentially.

I think you two are misjudging Mirage´s actual stance there a bit - I think that her main gripes was with HOW Syndrome applied his Arms contracts with the FEds, not with him having them at all.

Also, I am not saying that we *definitely should* get into National Defense (especially not right now, since we do indeed have quite a bit on our plate already) - just we could benefit from *having that option at all*.

Additionally, I don´t think that she of all people is actually against "playing the long game" at all, just *How* we tended to play it until very recently (namely "extremly erratically")

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Considering the future, and possible threats, being able to work with Earth's strongest and most morally neutral King would be a boon, considering some of the stuff we know in-character and all the other stuff we as players know from metaknowledge.

Toffee? Doof knows that this man is at the head of an interdimensional empire. The existence of such would make anyone nervous, even without knowing his goals or personal biases. I imagine the government would love to throw money and assistance at us for figuring out something to block massive portals to other worlds for an army that could march through, for example. Or just better weapons in general. Also, just had a thought, coming back to this at the end.

As for what we don't know, there's plenty of shit that could happen. What if Bill Cipher pokes holes in the Weirdness Bubble to let loose some gribblies? What if Obake unleashes an army of Noodle Burger Boys built like Terminators? What if the various anti-magic racists decide to start a crusade at the behest of the literally puritanical Xanatos-level manipulator behind the scenes, who might be going by the name Belos or Phillip Wittebane possibly next turn?

And that's just terrestrial stuff. What if Toffee does invade? What if Phobos Escanor decides the time is now? Or Andrias Leviathan and Darcy? Or the Skeksis? Or... fucking, Venomous Drool and Thaddeus Blakk, I don't know.

National Defence and better Government Opinion may be the difference between a desperate defensive and a somewhat more even conflict? Also, more money for us.

EDIT: MY THOUGHT! Ahem! Anyway. Yes. What if we used the On-Ice-Inator on Toffee. Would it work on him like it does Liquiditator?

Yup - that´s more or less why I am favoring Option 3 right now (although I still wouldn´t call any outright fights against the "Endgame Crisises" all that even - simply "less of an outright Hail Mary")

...naah, I think that - even if we do manage to complete the On-Ice-Inator in time to bitchslap Liquidator - we are gonna lose its functionality again (at least partially) for balancing reasons
 
Is that +1 Martial for Kitsune *on top* of the other one?
No, the one in the quest was added after it was posted; this is just telling people they updated the quest rewards.

As for the options, I don't really like the options or story we get from Just Call Someone.

The reward for it requires active investment on doing further actions to increase our relationship with the federal government. Actions I do not think we will actually commit on given our general tendency to not think long term and juggling countless other projects. It's the same reason we pulled from the Franchise Wars; albiet less extreme since theres no competition or cost for doing so beyond action economy. Narratively; meanwhile, it's just... boring. It doesn't lead to any actual story progression for the characters; nor does it really change much. It's just a haha funny gag, then its done unless we invest into becoming super close to the feds. I think "Respected as Shego" is fine; since Shego still does do close work with the Federal Government.

Meanwhile, I feel Russ and Monogram are more fun both mechanically and narratively; since they have benefits in both. Russ getting super respected would give us a better ability to work with the Feds through him, even if the Instatution does not like us as much, to oppose bad actors and have them help us with Paranormal issues; such as say... Astral Demons, Evil Corn Lizards and Vengeful 1920s Sorcerors. Russ may even get to meet the director of CAIA, and will have an easier time dealing with Riddle. Monogram meanwhile will be like, actually respected? By people? Which is a fun dynamic; and the ability to always have him will effectively make plan making a lot easier. Plus, better ways to work with Anthromorphic Affairs and likely the rest of CAIA against big threats.

All in all, narratively and mechanically I think the Just Call Someone is the weakest; largely because it requires a lot more investment from us, to do so; in a subject matter we really didn't want to go super hard on (We wanted the Feds to like us to the point Russ would open up and we can work with them, which being Shego tier does; not to make them our biggest allies)
 
[ ] Develop Military Vehicles
DC 85
Lee Industries are veterans in the field of vehicle design, both civilian and military. Recent developments have caused their standing in the former to lag behind, but Janus Lee has presented new blueprints to remedy the latter: A 'Rattler' fighter for keeping away air pirates and High Speed Sentry (H.I.S.S) tank for taking down armored threats. You can develop them for your PMC in the same way Shere Khan is allowed to have a private navy and air force, though your capability to sell them to others will be limited without the government's seal of approval.

Mirage: … (Abstain)

Outcome: DEI can produce military vehicles for your PMC and heroes to use. When you re-enter [National Defense], you may sell these to other factions and raise your standing in that industry. Unlocks "Construct Terror Dromes" action.
I think you two are misjudging Mirage´s actual stance there a bit - I think that her main gripes was with HOW Syndrome applied his Arms contracts with the FEds, not with him having them at all.

Possibly, but her reaction to developing military vehicles is very much outside of her norms and its an action with explicit ties to the National Defense industry. I think even if her issues were entirely based on how he applied said contracts and what he did with that technology, it would still absolutely be poking at a major sore spot for her.
 
Possibly, but her reaction to developing military vehicles is very much outside of her norms and its an action with explicit ties to the National Defense industry. I think even if her issues were entirely based on how he applied said contracts and what he did with that technology, it would still absolutely be poking at a major sore spot for her.
Ultimately I don't want to sell weapons to the Feds, I'd rather focus on our existing industries; like Agriculture and Robotics; plus most of the Kings selling to the Feds are the ones we like or are neutral about (Xanatos, Olympia, Khan) with only Yokai being there, and we have Genetics and Robotics to undermine him anyway. Might as well let them have the Market Share.

EDIT: Shit wrong guy.
 
Ultimately I don't want to sell weapons to the Feds, I'd rather focus on our existing industries; like Agriculture and Robotics; plus most of the Kings selling to the Feds are the ones we like or are neutral about (Xanatos, Olympia, Khan) with only Yokai being there, and we have Genetics and Robotics to undermine him anyway. Might as well let them have the Market Share.

EDIT: Shit wrong guy.
Exactly. I think, if we want fed collabs, the II is more our speed, and they have a ton of actions that sound super-useful.
 
Making NOWCA an agency treated with real respect would probably be huge for Monogram and kickstart a whole new chapter of developments and growth.

Plus he was the one who made the quest possible to begin with.
 
I just had a thought about this vote: Why can't both Russ and Monogram claim credit? It's the truth, they both worked together to get it back, so they should be able to both get credit, right?
 
Making NOWCA an agency treated with real respect would probably be huge for Monogram and kickstart a whole new chapter of developments and growth.

Plus he was the one who made the quest possible to begin with.

Also is possible this whole mission was meant to fail and was meant to distract Mongrama while the feds prepare a forgery.

I think people tend to dismiss we have, a forgotent, goverment agency under our control and boost them could bring a lot of benefits. I don't think even Xander can claim he controls a cog of the goverment like Heinz does that currently nobody thinking much about it but we have a real possibility to make a powerhouse if we so desire.

Changing the sibject NOWCA is perfect for San Fransokyo temathically since there's a bunch of mad science running around the city and they specialized in foilling mad scientists. It will be just like the old days.
 
I just had a thought about this vote: Why can't both Russ and Monogram claim credit? It's the truth, they both worked together to get it back, so they should be able to both get credit, right?
To explain that, we need to talk about Office Politics.

CAIA, is fucked and the Agencies are all trying to undermine each other for funding and blacksites on the Bureacratic level, even if they all want what is best.

Monogram and Russ are in Anthromorphic Affairs and Paranormal Investigations respetively, and as such Riddle and whoever is in charge of Anthro will both want to claim it was their department that did so.
 
The elephant in the room is the possibility that Russ kicks the bucket or gets otherwise incapacitated by the Dream Queen very soon, in which case buffing him is a waste of effort. Doof's option isn't terrible, but I agree with others that character development-wise it's not the best for him.

I think Monogram is my preferred choice atm.
 
The elephant in the room is the possibility that Russ kicks the bucket or gets otherwise incapacitated by the Dream Queen very soon, in which case buffing him is a waste of effort. Doof's option isn't terrible, but I agree with others that character development-wise it's not the best for him.

I think Monogram is my preferred choice atm.

Not entirely, to take steps in avoiding this fate Russ need to have a loyalty at 75 since he will spill the beans on his secret to Heinz. Currently he at 60 but since we going to rejoin the government his -10 mallus will be removed so it will increase to 70 and build a lair for him should be enough to get the remaining 5.

Be warned that he has a temporally boost of 10 that will last until December so the time is now.

Still I think Russ would insist in Monogram getting the credit after all it was the major's mission.
 
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16-20: junior spy; professional thief
21-25: secret agent
26-35: criminal mastermind

Intrigue: 23 (After a long and thorough restructuring, NOWCA is better equipped to take on anything that may threaten it.)

Monogram gains 2 Intrigue
Monogram gains 3 Occult

Congratulations are in order to Major Monogram for reaching the peak intrigue score for the 'secret agent' category. Just one more intrigue gain will get him into criminal mastermind tier! And his occult score to begin investigating any magical animal stuff, like stuff that might tie into the Donald questline, especially if he gets integrated into Anthropic Affairs and starts getting all the juicy secret intel from those meetings to act on.
 
Congratulations are in order to Major Monogram for reaching the peak intrigue score for the 'secret agent' category. Just one more intrigue gain will get him into criminal mastermind tier! And his occult score to begin investigating any magical animal stuff, like stuff that might tie into the Donald questline.
Does anyone remember what magical animals we had running about our neighbourhood?

It might be time for NOWCA to do a recruitment drive…
 
While I don´t refute your point, the whole "he might die soon anyway, so don´t even try to save him" logic doesn´t sit well with me

Definitely didn't mean it that way—more like "the buff might be more efficiently used on someone who doesn't have a chance of making it all a waste."

Not entirely, to take steps in avoiding this fate Russ need to have a loyalty at 75 since he will spill the beans on his secret to Heinz. Currently he at 60 but since we going to rejoin the government his -10 mallus will be removed so it will increase to 70 and build a lair for him should be enough to get the remaining 5.

Be warned that he has a temporally boost of 10 that will last until December so the time is now.

Still I think Russ would insist in Monogram getting the credit after all it was the major's mission.

Even if he does spill the beans, does that guarantee Russ won't get Dream Queen'd, or does it just make it avertable? There might still be a risk to Russ regardless.


Agent RK (Rat King) might look like a Nurglite nightmare, but they're totally loyal and great at intimidation!
 
Even if he does spill the beans, does that guarantee Russ won't get Dream Queen'd, or does it just make it avertable? There might still be a risk to Russ regardless.
There's always a risk. No reason not to take what sounds like the most useful buff long-term.

I really do want Russ to reach out to the II next turn. I want to look into the roots of AI sapience!
 
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