DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

Meowgician · Apr 30, 2024

KnownParadox said:
On the other hand, we know from the Fall of Kronos we can just snap up the bits that fall off and nobody will mind.

Maybe so, maybe not. Doof was fairly publicly against Kronos and Judge Doom. If a major corporation we hate falls once and we snap up the pieces, that's just corporate life. It's not like Syndrome was that competent a CEO, or at least that's what the other kings will tell themselves. If it happens twice... Well, we've also had beef with ENCOM and Toffee for a long time. They're gonna start worrying if they're going to be third.

That is to say, I don't think Toffee himself will feel threatened, but he's probably going to see us as a threat to his foothold on earth and respond appropriately, lest it become another entry in our track record.

That being said, I am still absolutely in favour of taking down Judge Doom, I just think it's important that we go into it knowing that there will be consequences, both in how the landscape changes, and in how the other kings will see us. After all, has any king other than Syndrome fallen?

Soberan 123 · Apr 30, 2024

Meowgician said:
That being said, I am still absolutely in favour of taking down Judge Doom, I just think it's important that we go into it knowing that there will be consequences, both in how the landscape changes, and in how the other kings will see us. After all, has any king other than Syndrome fallen?

I don't think they are aware Heinz play a part in his fall. In fact the only thing the doctor did was rob him blind and humiliate him but there's no evidence that anyone know what him and Shego did.

Agent Russ also decided to keep the Platinum Chip as bargain tool in case of emergency, so is possible he never rat out to the goverment what Heinz.

Judge Doom on the other hand has a well know anymosity towards Heinz and vice-versa, if something were to happen to the other they would be the first suspect.

KnownParadox · Apr 30, 2024

Doofenshmirtz is well known for being very public with his hatred, and while we arent regarded as incompetent like we were in the beginning we still aren't rated as competent. At best we have some competent subordinates. Nobody but the people Russ is reporting to know we had a hand in the chaos that was the Kronos Gala, we explicitly even evaded Xanatos during that time. I think we're in the clear on that front, so Doof v Doom might be the first point in anybodies conspiracy board and that's not enough to say for sure unless we publically duel him atop the Empire State Building or something. If we end up merking him in some random dimension and then act like any other megacorp ceo would I'm not even sure people would notice our hand in a second King falling.

Penguinbowler · Apr 30, 2024

Soberan 123 said:
I don't think they are aware Heinz play a part in his fall. In fact the only thing the doctor did was rob him blind and humiliate him but there's no evidence that anyone know what him and Shego did.

Agent Russ also decided to keep the Platinum Chip as bargain tool in case of emergency, so is possible he never rat out to the goverment what Heinz.

Judge Doom on the other hand has a well know anymosity towards Heinz and vice-versa, if something were to happen to the other they would be the first suspect.

No, from what we know of Russ's character, he absolutely reported what happened, but didn't share he had a second chip,

KnownParadox said:
Doofenshmirtz is well known for being very public with his hatred, and while we arent regarded as incompetent like we were in the beginning we still aren't rated as competent. At best we have some competent subordinates. Nobody but the people Russ is reporting to know we had a hand in the chaos that was the Kronos Gala, we explicitly even evaded Xanatos during that time. I think we're in the clear on that front, so Doof v Doom might be the first point in anybodies conspiracy board and that's not enough to say for sure unless we publically duel him atop the Empire State Building or something. If we end up merking him in some random dimension and then act like any other megacorp ceo would I'm not even sure people would notice our hand in a second King falling.

I don't think anyone would care about us taking out Doom besides Amara, it's more the hostile take over action starts corperate warfare, instead of the normal shadow wars.

The people who explicitly know are us, Shego, and the Feds. I also feel that a lot of the other CEOs aren't to dumb to connect the dots between Syndrome falling and his 2 Archenemies entering the Gala as a date, but they may just assume we were a patsy Shego was using to get close to Syndrome.

hleghe · Apr 30, 2024

Meowgician said:
Maybe so, maybe not. Doof was fairly publicly against Kronos and Judge Doom. If a major corporation we hate falls once and we snap up the pieces, that's just corporate life. It's not like Syndrome was that competent a CEO, or at least that's what the other kings will tell themselves. If it happens twice... Well, we've also had beef with ENCOM and Toffee for a long time. They're gonna start worrying if they're going to be third.

hmm possibly, but we're not exactly being aggressive about it right?
if they happened in short succession maybe, but there's been multiple in-game years since then so I'd expect the "doof aggression" heat has died down quite a bit from back then
(it helps that our faction wasn't exposed to be responsible for it and you know, sinatron being the one who actually deposed syndrome)

that said, deposing a single rival and stealling all their stuff would probably set off alarm bells regardless of whether it was our first, second or third time doing it. for this reason it's probably wiser to grab any possible resources/influences indirectly, rather than overextending

Soberan 123 said:
Agent Russ also decided to keep the Platinum Chip as bargain tool in case of emergency, so is possible he never rat out to the goverment what Heinz.

there was an interlude about this, russ's boss found out about the chip (though it's just them/their department/possibly whoever the technology was shared with that knows, as opposed to the government overall. thankfully shady government spy agencies will be secretive and infight)

Soberan 123 · Apr 30, 2024

hleghe said:
hmm possibly, but we're not exactly being aggressive about it right?
if they happened in short succession maybe, but there's been multiple in-game years since then so I'd expect the "doof aggression" heat has died down quite a bit from back then
(it helps that our faction wasn't exposed to be responsible for it and you know, sinatron being the one who actually deposed syndrome)

that said, deposing a single rival and stealling all their stuff would probably set off alarm bells regardless of whether it was our first, second or third time doing it. for this reason it's probably wiser to grab any possible resources/influences indirectly, rather than overextending

Cloverfield Industries control a small territory, aka LA and surrounding area. However Hollywood could fallen entirely under DEI umbrella giving the power of media for Heinz while also receiving a enormous boost in Toon popularity everywhere since Heinz have defeated they boogeyman.

Also we would get access to ports and could, if desire, build a commercial fleet to increase income. Like it or not Colverfield is a megacorp while not the most powerful still is notable and would make people people finally take Heinz serious for removing a king of the board, since all the credit for taking out Syndrome probably fall to Shego with Heinz being a pasty she bring along.

KnownParadox · Apr 30, 2024

Yeah out of anything Cloverleaf owns, I think I'd prefer to grab his Hollywood stuff. Mass Media is something we're slowly investing into. Even if it isn't number one if the opportunity strikes we should take it, would help with our toon relations too.

Penguinbowler · Apr 30, 2024

Soberan 123 said:
Cloverfield Industries control a small territory, aka LA and surrounding area. However Hollywood could fallen entirely under DEI umbrella giving the power of media for Heinz while also receiving a enormous boost in Toon popularity everywhere since Heinz have defeated they boogeyman.

Also we would get access to ports and could, if desire, build a commercial fleet to increase income. Like it or not Colverfield is a megacorp while not the most powerful still is notable and would make people people finally take Heinz serious for removing a king of the board, since all the credit for taking out Syndrome probably fall to Shego with Heinz being a pasty she bring along.

ignoring the fact that it's less to territory and more so where the companies are most influential, I am gonna say the following 3 things.

LA is one of the most important set pieces in the setting, and controlling "Just LA" is like saying Venice had no political power during the middle ages since they were just one city. He controls the Media Industry. That's huge.
We can still gain access to a port. It's called "Buying Dock Space" from one of America's many, many port cities. We mostly haven't since we have literally zero investment in shipping, or international trade in general.
Most people who don't take Heinz seriously don't do it because he isn't dangerous. I think its common knowledge Doof can absolutely a status quo shifter, and many of them take active steps to avoid provoking him because of it (Xanatos' goal in Pawn to D4 was get Doof to not swear revenge on him, Judge Doom wanted to bury the Hatchet instead of risk escalating against us). They don't take Doof seriously because he is, quite honestly, insane.

Soberan 123 · Apr 30, 2024

Penguinbowler said:
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Frankly I kinda want to stop Judge Doom genocidal plans, Xanatos unwilling decided to help him in selling asphalt and may have accelerate his plans somewhat. The government is more concerned in keeping things under wrap and fighting among themselves instead of doing something useful, much like they do with Syndrome, and Gloomgold doesn't care nothing besides lining his pockets despite being a toon himself.

Heck Heinz might be the only one that decided to help them in some capacity, what with the establishment of the underground railroad and we still need to clear the name of that toon.

Penguinbowler · May 1, 2024

Soberan 123 said:
Frankly I kinda want to stop Judge Doom genocidal plans, Xanatos unwilling decided to help him in selling asphalt and may have accelerate his plans somewhat. The government is more concerned in keeping things under wrap and fighting among themselves instead of doing something useful, much like they do with Syndrome, and Gloomgold doesn't care nothing besides lining his pockets despite being a toon himself.

Heck Heinz might be the only one that decided to help them in some capacity, what with the establishment of the underground railroad and we still need to clear the name of that toon.

Dealing with Judge Doom is fine, im just saying we shouldnt buy his company since that will start unrestricted corperate warfare.

What would be better is arresting him or exposing then killing him. The other CEOs will be far more chill with that.

Soberan 123 · May 1, 2024

Penguinbowler said:
Dealing with Judge Doom is fine, im just saying we shouldnt buy his company since that will start unrestricted corperate warfare.

What would be better is arresting him or exposing then killing him. The other CEOs will be far more chill with that.

I was asking if Heinz have his showdown with Doom would get his company as reward or would need to role a action to buy it. The power of Holywood is a interesting prospect.

If we didn't get Cloverfield will be very vulnerable when that happen and the Yokai may move in since the guy already is the silent ruler of much East Coast America.

Penguinbowler · May 1, 2024

Soberan 123 said:
I was asking if Heinz have his showdown with Doom would get his company as reward or would need to role a action to buy it. The power of Holywood is a interesting prospect.

If we didn't get Cloverfield will be very vulnerable when that happen and the Yokai may move in since the guy already is the silent ruler of much East Coast America.

Oh, we'd need to spend an action. What would most likely happen is that the DC to do a Corperate Takeover would drop, say 90 points. I mostly warn against buying Cloverleaf since that will get every CEO a lot more antsy, and more willing to use their corps as actual weapons against each other.

As for Yokai, sure he could pressure Judy into buying Cloverleaf, but Yokai doesn't personally care about LA. I also don't think that anyone will start buying other megacorps unless we fire the first shot in that field, do to the way the GM's telegraphed it; and as we've repeatably seen

We Should Listen to What the GM's Tell Us

Soberan 123 · May 1, 2024

Penguinbowler said:
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Oh well this is just a though for the future. Narrative speaking, once we deal the Negaduck Crisis, we should start poking around San Fransokyo, Vanessa is studying there and Heinz has evidence that something weird is going on and probably would want to make sure nothing overly dangerous is happening, if only to keep Vanessa safe.

KnownParadox · May 1, 2024

Soberan 123 said:
Oh well this is just a though for the future. Narrative speaking, once we deal the Negaduck Crisis, we should start poking around San Fransokyo, Vanessa is studying there and Heinz has evidence that something weird is going on and probably would want to make sure nothing overly dangerous is happening, if only to keep Vanessa safe.

We have a lot of Intrigue priorities, but Sokyo is probably up there somewhere considering our investments. I personally want to infiltrate the Huntsclan immediately next turn because I'm worried about them getting a King soon. We need to Hunt for Star occasionally to stop Toffee from getting to her. I think people want to at least have a look around Oregon once to check on Bill Cipher. And of course Judge Doom is always at least a little bit menacing, I don't even know if he's actually that dangerous or if it's bias on my part and his sheer force of personality on the authors.

Soberan 123 · May 1, 2024

KnownParadox said:
We have a lot of Intrigue priorities, but Sokyo is probably up there somewhere considering our investments. I personally want to infiltrate the Huntsclan immediately next turn because I'm worried about them getting a King soon. We need to Hunt for Star occasionally to stop Toffee from getting to her. I think people want to at least have a look around Oregon once to check on Bill Cipher. And of course Judge Doom is always at least a little bit menacing, I don't even know if he's actually that dangerous or if it's bias on my part and his sheer force of personality on the authors.

Half of the council is made by toons, it's only logical the DEI would focus on him and frankly nobody else will stop him. There's also the InventCo. helping hats, DOR-15 is already making waves to spread it's influence outside of it's territory and going by Goob it already mind controlled the people of it's territory or it's well under way.

Edit: Frankly I also want Mirage helping in dealing with the Doom, might do some good for her in helping stop a genocide. Also send her to therapy because she has a lot of baggage that needs be addressed.

hleghe · May 1, 2024

Soberan 123 said:
Xanatos unwilling decided to help him in selling asphalt and may have accelerate his plans somewhat

this part sucks but it's probably not the end of the world. doom's just really obsessed with roads :/
people are going to make deals and conspire between themselves if they don't do it with us, that's just how things work unfortunately

Soberan 123 said:
we still need to clear the name of that toon.

the trial's gone and done now, so iirc our option there is just to interview them and increasing attention in the aftermath. possibly worthwhile but not necessarily a major help unless it can sway sentiment? i'm relatively pessimistic about the outcome of that (since propaganda machines) unless it ends up being part of the chain to discover doom being a toon. it's just a gamble really ig.

if actions are being invested on them and that's not worthwhile then options sorting out intrigue against them and other larger scope opportunities (such as sphering the red car, if that's still available?) could be worthwhile comparatively, since they're longer-term?

Soberan 123 said:
I was asking if Heinz have his showdown with Doom would get his company as reward or would need to role a action to buy it. The power of Holywood is a interesting prospect.

as shown in that casino quest, kings can take a serious loss without instantly dying. beating them directly probably would give them maluses that would make their organisation weaker.

that said, really direct attacks aren't viable in this political climate so I'm more interested in outcompeting doom business/intrigue wise in order to overshadow him.

KnownParadox · May 1, 2024

hleghe said:
this part sucks but it's probably not the end of the world. doom's just really obsessed with roads :/

hleghe said:
that said, really direct attacks aren't viable in this political climate so I'm more interested in outcompeting doom business/intrigue wise in order to overshadow him.

the solution is clear, we must take the automotive industry down a peg or two. I propose more public transit across the country, especially trains. Robust high-speed, high-capacity, and high-stength train systems that people and cargo can use to travel across the continent.

hleghe · May 1, 2024

KnownParadox said:
the solution is clear, we must take the automotive industry down a peg or two. I propose more public transit across the country, especially trains. Robust high-speed, high-capacity, and high-stength train systems that people and cargo can use to travel across the continent.

hmm, supertrains seem like something doof would be able to pull off and it'd give us a lot of influence too, big issue there is the size of the investment and how we'd need to get people/government to let us build them. would be even worse if we're not placating them right now so that part's less of an issue, but it'd be a pretty major contract.

seems we do better with actions that are self-contained/won't fall apart if we neglect them because something shinier caught our eye, so maybe we want to figure out how to introduce competitors to flying cars in the form of some trendy air bikes/hoverboards? requires access to cheap/compact antigravity but as a product instead of a service we'd be able to better use our existing facilities so it'd probably be more efficient, and depending on how well the research/design goes it might be able to undercut doom's existing cars while making it less profitable for them to branch out.
it'd definitely be ambitious but with our company's focus on making things cheaply and diecast robotics or such (feels like there's a synergy there) we'd hopefully be able to come up with a viable product? plus we already did some stuff related to flying cars that could speed up research

(could also try something wild like making the trains work without building rails but that'd basically be a big bus so meh :)

KnownParadox · May 1, 2024

We could just make really cool bicycles. Powered, charge with sunlight, efficient, foldable, durable, all-terrain, the works. Supertech-bicycles for everyone.

hleghe · May 1, 2024

huh, well those would probably be way easier to make, and way harder to promote, so overall it's possibly viable as a lower-stakes "branch out into this industry" action?
maybe they'd be more easily marketable if we can make them turn into a briefcase or something spy like that? this would be easier if everyone was aware of agent russ and how cool he was because then we'd be able to actually capitalise on that :P but a general secret agent/superhero technology vibe might work well. (that said, not sure why I'm discussing this as it's not really our responsibility to market it :/ trying to figure out how to make the idea "more successful" when that really isn't a thing i guess)

SuspiciousBird · May 1, 2024

KnownParadox said:
the solution is clear, we must take the automotive industry down a peg or two. I propose more public transit across the country, especially trains. Robust high-speed, high-capacity, and high-stength train systems that people and cargo can use to travel across the continent.

>supporting mass transit infrastructure over car-centric infrastructure
>remodeled downtown Doofania into dense, mixed use architecture
>has a thing for green energy however and wherever he can make it work

Is Doof based and YIMBYpilled???

hleghe · May 2, 2024

SuspiciousBird said:
Is Doof based and YIMBYpilled???

you know, if a new doof pettiness joke is needed it'd be pretty silly to pivot directly from considering 100% tax evasion (doof is the only person not making scary IRS jokes and fair enough, those are a bit overdone) to being super worked up about initiatives/infrastructure and the like.

the contrast would be huge, is what I'm getting at

Razzocnor · May 2, 2024

For maximum effect, assign Phineas and Ferb to the transit reconstruction.

VicSage · May 2, 2024

You want to collapse the railway?

KnownParadox · May 2, 2024

Not if we pass the check. If we succeed we get an auto-crit to public transit construction.

Also, I did make some write-in actions a while ago here, including public transit:

KnownParadox said:
Made in Heaven
Made some write in actions we could potentially do.

[] DoofBox, the PC of EVIL! (selling our own cutting edge PC's and Laptops, as well as the individual parts like GPU's, RAM, power supplies, and that type of stuff.)

[] DoofPhone (Sure, your social media idea was a bust, but that doesn't mean you can't make smart phones!)

[] Doofania Mass Transit (High Speed Rail for everyone! More public transportation throughout the Tri-State Area)

[] Doof on Demand (delivery service, like Amazon shipping I guess)

[] Nuclear Power (not fusion, just fission, not quite cutting edge anymore but probably still an upgrade to Greevil Power)

[] Smart Grid (Use Doofania's power grid more efficiently, now with fewer blackouts and costs)

[] Smart Appliances (Fridges that manage your food, heating and AC systems that change automatically as per your preference, and trash cans that provide recycling advice!)

I forget, do they round stuff like this up at the end of the turn? If not then I'll bring it back in case they missed it. Maybe I @'d the wrong GM?

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