But, like. Who would actually want to be part of Doofania? You're treating it like we have that kind of pull with the citizens of Danville, when we clearly don't. Sure, we could move some operations to being extradimensional, but that's not the same as some sort of Doofania.
 
But, like. Who would actually want to be part of Doofania? You're treating it like we have that kind of pull with the citizens of Danville, when we clearly don't. Sure, we could move some operations to being extradimensional, but that's not the same as some sort of Doofania.
It's more like "call for people looking for a land of opportunities and a better life to try their luck in Doofania and colonize the New World". From then, it's pretty much exactly the same process as the birth of America as a nation: colonists developing more nationalistic sentiment toward their new home than their old one.

Helped, of course, by the fact that we would not be colonizing Doofania in the name of the United States in the first place, so there's no need for a Revolution.
 
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It's more like "call for people looking for a land of opportunities and a better life to try their luck in Doofania and colonize the New World". From then, it's pretty much exactly the same process as the birth of America as a nation: colonists developing more nationalistic sentiment toward their new home than their old one.

Helped, of course, by the fact that we would not be conlonizing Doofania in the name of the United States, so they don't even get a claim.

Pretty much what I was going for - a better version of the 13 Colonies becoming their own thing under the aegis of Walt Disneys original concept for EPCOT that still got strong ties to Uncle Sam
 
But, like. Who would actually want to be part of Doofania? You're treating it like we have that kind of pull with the citizens of Danville, when we clearly don't. Sure, we could move some operations to being extradimensional, but that's not the same as some sort of Doofania.
I will point out that Doof provides free food and shelter to all within his domain. That is more than the US has ever done.
Even ignoring refugees from other countries there are plenty of people willing to follow an excentric billionaire that feeds them.
 
The only way we can get Russ to side with us against the federal government is to convince him that we are better suited for upholding the ideals and principles of United States, which is:
1) Unlikely.
2) Something we don't care about anyway.

As others said, our best option is not to create that conflict of interest in the first place.
 
I didn't mean attemptitng to declare the independence of two-and-a-half states on american soil whose populace identifies as american, that would never work. I meant literally colonizing a new planet with volunteer populations and naming *that* Doofania. Basically, what Toffee's doing, where he's King on his own dimension and a normal (lizard) businessman on earth.
Thats a lot more fair, yeah. I still don't know if the Feds will like it though
 
Build a normbot factory & warehouse full of surprise robot army in another dimension for emergencies but building a civilization would be too much.
 
TBH Even if we do set up an extra-dimensional colony, it might be our best interest to find someone else to help us with it, I'm thinking the Government or Xanatos.

We'd still be the primary owner of the place (Guy with the Portal and all), but we'd not have to sink as many actions and resources by ourselves into it. This seems like its to big a project for us to do by ourselves.
 
I will point out that Doof provides free food and shelter to all within his domain. That is more than the US has ever done.
Even ignoring refugees from other countries there are plenty of people willing to follow an excentric billionaire that feeds them.

This is rather misleading. Doof doesn't do anything to provide shelter, and while he does supply emergency rations for free to Danville, and provided cheap food to get through the worst of the breadbasket collapse, he doesn't do it for everyone.
 
TBH Even if we do set up an extra-dimensional colony, it might be our best interest to find someone else to help us with it, I'm thinking the Government or Xanatos.

We'd still be the primary owner of the place (Guy with the Portal and all), but we'd not have to sink as many actions and resources by ourselves into it. This seems like its to big a project for us to do by ourselves.
Also to add to that, world is currently kinda past the whole colonization and migration phase currently. I'm sure there'll be a few thousand volunteers, but it really wouldn't be massive, and you'd imagine refugee crisis from Midwest going oof is already solved enough already. Unless we start importing migrants from more unfortunate parts of the world, but that's a can of worms nobody should touch in this quest. I'd rather promote as achievement of scientific brilliance, solution to overpopulation and resources problems and yadda yadda, at least in terms of PR and income for us if we announce it. In terms of practical use for this topic, the only thing that really comes to mind is setting it up as refugee escape for our people and population in case of things going horribly horribly wrong. Like certain triangular tophat wearer as an example. Of course, it won't stop Bill from following if he wanted, but there are plenty of threats without him.
 
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I really wanted to retain at least some of Doof's characterization as a petty megalomaniacal madman, instead of giving it all up in the name of efficiency. Doof is a legit fun character to watch and to play, and it'd be kind of a shame to turn him into a discount David Xanatos.

Doof is, at his core, an evil mad scientist that wants to conquer the Tri-State Area, and who's opposed by a platypus. We already stopped with the evil, are giving up on the Tri-State Area, no longer have a proper nemesis. What is left, when the dust settles?
 
I really wanted to retain at least some of Doof's characterization as a petty megalomaniacal madman, instead of giving it all up in the name of efficiency. Doof is a legit fun character to watch and to play, and it'd be kind of a shame to turn him into a discount David Xanatos.

Doof is, at his core, an evil mad scientist that wants to conquer the Tri-State Area, and who's opposed by a platypus. We already stopped with the evil, are giving up on the Tri-State Area, no longer have a proper nemesis. What is left, when the dust settles?
Pettiness, love for our daughter, and a lot of trauma. Also, trying to become a better person with friends who will challenge us, which is a canon possible path for Doof.
 
I really wanted to retain at least some of Doof's characterization as a petty megalomaniacal madman, instead of giving it all up in the name of efficiency. Doof is a legit fun character to watch and to play, and it'd be kind of a shame to turn him into a discount David Xanatos.

Doof is, at his core, an evil mad scientist that wants to conquer the Tri-State Area, and who's opposed by a platypus. We already stopped with the evil, are giving up on the Tri-State Area, no longer have a proper nemesis. What is left, when the dust settles?

*facepalms*

Please not that argument again.

Just because we as Doof are adapting to the Shadowrun-esque world a bit, doesn´t mean we "turn into discount Xanatos"
 
Doof is, at his core, an evil mad scientist that wants to conquer the Tri-State Area, and who's opposed by a platypus. We already stopped with the evil, are giving up on the Tri-State Area, no longer have a proper nemesis. What is left, when the dust settles?
Doof isn't giving up the Tri-state Area. DEI still owns the majority of business in the area, is the major employer locally, has robots in the police force and tells city hall what to do.

Doof is still petty evil E.g We convinced the people of Danville to make sacrifices to protect the environment but used those sacrifices to power our robot instead. We blew up Mark Beaks headquarters. Doof is just being less stupid evil.

Doof has a bunch of enemies and nemeses. The current focused nemesis is Judge Doom

Doof at his core is a joke that can grow into something more. He can grow into being a competent supervillain or be a lovemuffin. A lovemuffin is not going to be a competitive king without an improbable amount of luck or gm fiat.
 
Doof is, at his core, an evil mad scientist that wants to conquer the Tri-State Area, and who's opposed by a platypus. We already stopped with the evil, are giving up on the Tri-State Area, no longer have a proper nemesis. What is left, when the dust settles?
None of those are true. Those are all extremely surface level traits, but look at the end of the TV Show where Doof retires from evil to teach in school, and at that scene in last day of summer where he's just enjoying muffins with Perry, Vanessa and Norm. Doofensmchirtz is not beyond character development, and has in fact already started down the same road, thanks to the help of some well-meaning employees.
 
Doof at his core is a joke that can grow into something more. He can grow into being a competent supervillain or be a lovemuffin. A lovemuffin is not going to be a competitive king without an improbable amount of luck or gm fiat.
That's the thing, Doof is not a joke. Or if he is, he's a lethal joke. He's not capable despite his various neuroses, he's capable because of his various neuroses. They're what allow him to pull off the frankly impossible shit he constantly does.

A Doof that can make a machine that shrinks the universe and isn't clueless about it is, what? Either he takes a huge nerf to ensure he can't just replicate one of his old inators or build new ones to that same power level, or he's automatically the most powerful King in existence.

So you cut out his wackiness, cut out his ability to do logic-defying stunts. You end up with a vaguely evil tech CEO who has mad science as a hobby, basically the same as every other Shadowrun megacorp owner. The purpose of inserting Doof into Shadowrun is not to drain all the Doofness out of him until only the Shadowrun is left.

None of those are true. Those are all extremely surface level traits, but look at the end of the TV Show where Doof retires from evil to teach in school, and at that scene in last day of summer where he's just enjoying muffins with Perry, Vanessa and Norm. Doofensmchirtz is not beyond character development, and has in fact already started down the same road, thanks to the help of some well-meaning employees.
Doof is not beyond character development, it's true. But his character development was him realizing that he didn't want to/have to be evil, not him realizing that he's too ineffective at evil and needs to be evil in a more socially-conforming way because he cannot possibly succeed at his objectives. His character development should be in the direction of being a happier person, not a more normal one.

Does this version of Doof even currently have a goal at all? And I mean, beyond beating various other Kings in the Shadowrun game, a goal for himself? Sure, his previous goal was grandiose and crazy, but it was also something to shoot for. What would he even do with all his wealth and influence without an obssession to work towards, just let it sit there?
 
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Do we want a Doof whose goal is "the corporate accumulation of wealth"?
I don't know about everyone else, but for me personally, definitely not this. Hell, I don't know if the QMs would actually allow us to do this, but once Doof starts being more sane and less evil, I'd love to see him doing something to give all his employees an actual stake in DEI, instead of reaping all the profits himself. Or, idk, become a key component of lobbying for civil rights of marginalized groups. I think there are a lot of things for Doof to do, outside both mindless capitalist accumulation, and outside of being evil in a way which doesn't fundamentally satisfy him.
 
I don't know about everyone else, but for me personally, definitely not this. Hell, I don't know if the QMs would actually allow us to do this, but once Doof starts being more sane and less evil, I'd love to see him doing something to give all his employees an actual stake in DEI, instead of reaping all the profits himself. Or, idk, become a key component of lobbying for civil rights of marginalized groups. I think there are a lot of things for Doof to do, outside both mindless capitalist accumulation, and outside of being evil in a way which doesn't fundamentally satisfy him.
Sure, that's a nice thing to do, but half-hearted lobbying for civil rights isn't the goal of a great villain. Good, compelling villains are defined by their obssessions. An overarching drive that motivates them to go further, to do things that no normal man would think to do. Xanatos has immortality, Janus has 'turn people into lizards', Jumba has pure chaos. Even if you just want capitalism (looking at you Glomgold), it has to be the most capitalism. You gotta have an obssession, otherwise you just end up a boring real-life CEO, who talks a good game about civil rights while still sitting at the top of the inequality pile.

Even if you the obssession is civil rights, then hatch an evil plan to get civil rights. Mind control the Senate, replace them with lizard people, or simply manipulate all politics from the shadows until America dances at your fingertips and you can make those marginalized groups receive adequate protection.
 
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Sure, that's a nice thing to do, but half-hearted lobbying for civil rights isn't the goal of a great villain. Good, compelling villains are defined by their obssessions. An overarching drive that motivates them to go further, to do things that no normal man would think to do. Xanatos has immortality, Janus has 'turn people into lizards', Jumba has pure chaos. Even if you just want capitalism (looking at you Glomgold), it has to be the most capitalism. You gotta have an obssession, otherwise you just end up a boring real-life CEO, who talks a good game about civil rights while still sitting at the top of the inequality pile.

Even if you the obssession is civil rights, then hatch an evil plan to get civil rights. Mind control the Senate, replace them with lizard people, or simply manipulate all politics from the shadows until America dances at your fingertips and you can make those marginalized groups receive adequate protection.
But that's the thing, isn't it? Doof has never been a compelling villain, not really. Sure, we can pity and like him, but I doubt anyone has ever felt compelled by Heinz Doofenshmirtz. I don't even think being a villain is necessarily what we want, since it doesn't really make Doof happy. What made him happy about being a villain, I'd argue, was his relationship with Perry, first and foremost.

As for your point about sitting at the top of the inequality pile... well, you're not wrong. But I suspect we're stuck like that for the foreseeable future, unless DEI suddenly becomes a cooperative (which, ngl, would be fun, but also would cut off our ability to do random nonsense greatly). I do think that problem is perhaps one to think on, though.
 
Sure, that's a nice thing to do, but half-hearted lobbying for civil rights isn't the goal of a great villain. Good, compelling villains are defined by their obssessions. An overarching drive that motivates them to go further, to do things that no normal man would think to do. Xanatos has immortality, Janus has 'turn people into lizards', Jumba has pure chaos. Even if you just want capitalism (looking at you Glomgold), it has to be the most capitalism. You gotta have an obssession, otherwise you just end up a boring real-life CEO, who talks a good game about civil rights while still sitting at the top of the inequality pile.

Even if you the obssession is civil rights, then hatch an evil plan to get civil rights. Mind control the Senate, replace them with lizard people, or simply manipulate all politics from the shadows until America dances at your fingertips.
I agree the idea isn't very compelling, especially on its own. We are a learning focused entity first and foremost. If we become a cooperative, we'll have to play it safe instead of risky because people wouldn't want to do risky stuff. If we go public, we'll need to focus on short-run profits over long-run. We're best as a private corporation where we can choose our risk level and time horizon as we please.

I wanna do cool stuff like build sapient robots, build Dino parks, do Janus's transhumanist projects, etc.

Pushing science to the brink and then marketing it to the masses.
 
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