DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
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Yeah, I say we go non-lethal. Self-defense or not, murdering her would not look great. Last resort option.
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- Somewhere nearby.
I don't know why some people seem to think that the only two options are diplomacy or kill, we can fight her without killing, and we can choose to not try to talk down the violently unstable murderer who not only has zero reason to listen to a single goddamn thing we say, but just shut down the only person in the entire world would have a chance of breaking through to her.
Yeah, I say just beat her up. Killing is an option, but it should be our last resort. As Mez said, lethal force isn't a good idea at the moment.
I don't mind National Guard killing her since they have authority to make such call and Winston would not blame us for it. If Shego wants her head I would not mind gifting Evelyn to her if we get something nice in return and exchange is sufficiently obscured by attacking transport that transferred Evelyn or something along those lines.
I don't want decision to be on Mirage though. Killing Evelyn to cover Mirage doings and then justify it by Evelyn killing(unconfirmed) of Supers should give like +500 to hypocrisy. Plus I would think that Wilson and Hego would be quite cross with us.
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Let's have Marco go and get reinforcements, I'd say. With the scissors.
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
But for the most part we aren't planning on killing her at all, let alone for those reasons. We just don't want to try to talk someone down after they've already shown they are not going to stop.
mangawriter77
Otaku^9000 (In my own opinion)
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- You'll neeever guess
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- He/Him/His
Yeah, I'm not really on board with any plan that involves diplomacy. That's already been tried, and Evelyn is just not in the right headspace for it to take effect. Killing her, however, is too extreme. Maybe she'll get put down later, but it won't be by us. Doing so would send all kinds of signals to the nation (and, by extension, the other kings), most of which that I'm pretty sure we don't want to send. Keep it in the cards as an absolute last resort if all else fails, but don't keep it as anything else. Absolute last resort only.
Also, nwish is right. Kill or talk are not our only two options. They may be limited, but there are more than just two. We just gotta get creative!
Also, nwish is right. Kill or talk are not our only two options. They may be limited, but there are more than just two. We just gotta get creative!
And in my plans I am not seriously relying on talking. At best talking can help us stall for a time, either for reinforcement or to move everyone out of building so we can collapse it on Evelyn if all else does not work. If you look closely with exception of my very first suggested plan I don't have Mirage doing talking to her, so it is not like I actually spend actual manpower on it or expect big results from it. I don't see why people are stuck on diplomacy as if it some key element of approach. I mean I named some of my plans as such but it is just a name in the end.
Here is another edition without even mention of talking that for some reason are such concern for people. Frankly I don't consider it as critical element of any of my plans so it is not hard for me to remove this part. If anyone interested in one of previous variants they are free to pick up them.
Short description
Plan A. Marco and Hego beat Evelyn with Lizzy and Mez as support
Plan B. Mez openly hypnotize Evelyn while using dropped by Evelyn tech to obscure her own ability to use mind control
Plan C. Lizzy drops roof on Evelyn
Plan D. We run away leaving Evelyn to authorities.
Long description
[] Plan: Removing all leads v2
-[] Have Marco help Hego to knock out Evelyn , with Lizzy and Mez as support. Task Mez with making sure that Evelyn does not speak about Mirage history. Interrupt her, subtly hypnotize or even nonlethaly shoot at her if all else does not help to keep Evelyn quiet. Accuse Evelyn of attempts to hypnotize her audience if Mez needs to make explanations for her interruptions. Try to keep Mirage from Evelyn attention.
-[]While Evelyn distracted by fighting have Mez and Mirage recover dropped by Evelyn mind control goggles. Then make it look like Mez is using them on Evelyn to hypnotize her into surrounding while actually using her own powers. If it does not work stall for a time, have Lizzy use her bugs to move unconscious supers from hall, then have her bugs chew on what is left of support columns to bring roof on Evelyn. Hopefully Hego or Marco will protect Winston if he does not leave by then. With early warning Mez can use wings to take Mirage and fly out of it. If it is not enough and Evelyn still keep going seems like a good time to run away and leave her to authorities.
-[]If Evelyn subdued one way or another attempt to gain her custody. Bring out possibility that unstable powers are detrimental to her health and she needs to be immediately checked at genetic research facility. Plus if she needs medical help her powers can prevent normal equipment from working. You have sufficient lab, but if others don't trust you entirely it can be collaboration with Liv Amara assuming you can still find her in the aftermath.
-[]Try to recover Sinatron processor on the basis of needing to learn what exactly he injected Evelyn with and where he acquired it.
-[]If Evelyn successfully captured make sure that she does not awaken until her powers are dealt with or she is not in the position to use them. Decide on her future fate depending on what was said or done during fight. Make sure to gather all available information from her or from Sinatron databases to recover both her secret tech and information that she possess on you so you have option to secretly visit Syndrom island and remove all data on Mirage that he kept there. Or ask Jumba if he have anything that can remove islands from maps.
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- Germany
We should still try to talk her out of it.
Sure, we might and honestly most likely *will* fail, but *the world is watching right now*, so us even trying to defuse what amounts to a hostage/shooter situation should earn DEI a lot of of goodwill across the nation.
If that fails, we jump to trying to subdue Evelyn with Mez´Hypno techno. In case of it working, we still defused the situation *Relatively* non-violently.
If *that* fails, *then* we go for Martial Force, with the killing blow being our ultima ratio (Last Resort).
That way, people will see that we only used force after exhausting every other venue - something *professional operatives* in such a case would do....definitely some good PR to our name, you know
Additionally, us going through those motions buys us time to get non-combattants outta the way - another point in our favor.
Sure, we might and honestly most likely *will* fail, but *the world is watching right now*, so us even trying to defuse what amounts to a hostage/shooter situation should earn DEI a lot of of goodwill across the nation.
If that fails, we jump to trying to subdue Evelyn with Mez´Hypno techno. In case of it working, we still defused the situation *Relatively* non-violently.
If *that* fails, *then* we go for Martial Force, with the killing blow being our ultima ratio (Last Resort).
That way, people will see that we only used force after exhausting every other venue - something *professional operatives* in such a case would do....definitely some good PR to our name, you know
Additionally, us going through those motions buys us time to get non-combattants outta the way - another point in our favor.
- Location
- USA
She already killed people and is planning to kill more. We have to stop her somehow.
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
You literally named your first plan Power of diplomacy, that gives a strong initial impression.
I considered it worth to at least try since we don't really losing much from such attempt. But even in cases where it is a plan A, it does not mean that this is all such plan relies on. It can be literally any plan just with some talking in the beginning.It is not like time is against us here, and i mentioned condition for Mez to interrupt if talks go in undesirable direction.
We probably don't want Evelyn talking since she probably knows about Mirage and what with supers/Edna being around.
Could try having someone who isn't Mirage talk, but that seems doomed to fail and might lead to Evelyn exposing Mirage by association.
Honestly, unless someone can think of a particular weakness, our best bet might just be to have Hego chuck a table or something at her.
Could try having someone who isn't Mirage talk, but that seems doomed to fail and might lead to Evelyn exposing Mirage by association.
Honestly, unless someone can think of a particular weakness, our best bet might just be to have Hego chuck a table or something at her.
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- Who knows?
I honestly think the "capture vs kill" discussion is missing an important point.. Both sides are operating under the primary assumption we can take her down. She pretty strong Yo. Not sure the risk of losing Marco or Lizzie or anyone is worth it here. Might be better to hide and survive until reinforcements arrive since I doubt she wants to actually kill the entire police force.
She's probably going to come after us and everyone else still in the building anyway, she doesn't really care about collateral damage, and if we have to fight her, I'd rather do it while Hego is still on the board rather than potentially off of it.
Probably? She mentioned that's her plan. A bit obliquely I'll admit.
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- Who knows?
So yeah hide and play keep away to stall for time. Which does have its own downsides but I am rather leery of having someone taken down with Circuit Breaker.
Mmmm do we have enough stats and traits to veat her in a case of a bad roll?.
That last trait of her that gives hers insta win in battle. .. Is not something i want to fight?.
We cant use marco dimmensional scissors to bring all the best combat units we have around?.
And aside for this i feel this is a lose-lose situation :S. Man i feel bad for sinatron even if he was an npc.
I mean know that i think it, who aside from the people in the chapter is alive?. Doom and Glomgold are obviously alive thanks to their toon abilities. But seriously
That last trait of her that gives hers insta win in battle. .. Is not something i want to fight?.
We cant use marco dimmensional scissors to bring all the best combat units we have around?.
And aside for this i feel this is a lose-lose situation :S. Man i feel bad for sinatron even if he was an npc.
I mean know that i think it, who aside from the people in the chapter is alive?. Doom and Glomgold are obviously alive thanks to their toon abilities. But seriously
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- Everywhere
[ ] Plan: I Can't Think Of A Clever Plan Name
- [ ] Non-combatants/those least suited to helping out against Evil/Screenshocke/Shockslaver/Circuit Breaker will move to take Sinatron's body and move it somewhere safer so Evelyn can't damage him beyond all repair
- [ ] People suited to combat will confront Evelyn. Focus on defense and stopping her from killing anybody, especially us, and if the opportunity provides itself take her out with preferably minimal lethality.
After everything he's pulled and how much he's fucked over Evelyn, I can't help but admit I've got a certain affection for Sinatron. Gotta keep my mafia lounge singer android anti-hero safe! Plus, keeping him from being taken out for good will definitely curry us favor with him once he starts inevitably moving up in Olympia.
I don't think trying to escape or just hide out is an option when it comes to dealing with Evelyn. For one thing, trying to run away after we've seen and heard everything about what she's done risks the chance of us being noticed or found and promptly fried by her, and plus it'd make us look like cowards. I'm not sure how much or a chance we stand when it comes to straight up fighting her and going for the flat out take down, but I think we can successfully keep her attention while defending ourselves and stopping her from hurting the other remaining stragglers. And, again, it'd help us curry favor for saving them.
Plus, you really think Edna would let us run?
Also, unrelated to the plan but related to supers and this general event, I've realized that the return of legal superheroics could end up being something that'll turn into a thorn in the side of many of the kings. After all, how many superheroes have enemies who are popular public figures and renowned businessmen, but in actuality are very evil or at the last amoral or corrupt?
Sure, nobody will be breaking into Xanatos' tower and punching him out then sending him to jail, but they can do a lot of harm in other ways. Every King has some illegal operations they support or benefit from, and the more Supers that appear (theres certainly gonna be a LOT of them the moment that the repeal happens) the more those operations are going to be disrupted and connected back to them. And, again, that almost certainly wouldn't be enough to depose most of the active Kings with all the connections and power they have, but it'd be enough for the Super(s) to keep a close eye on them and actively work to foil their goals when they can do so. Not to mention the ol' "accidental public confession."
Granted, the fact that the majority of Kings were supporting the repeal of the SRA might mean that they'll be given trust and looked at without suspicion by most new and returning Supers, buuut keep in mind that Evelyn, the woman spearheading the repeal in the first place, just outright stated she actually wanted to keep it standing. Somebody will probably try to bury that, but it'll come out one way or another, and that might just make Supers have second thoughts about their "benefactors".
I think we'll mostly be safe if my predictions are true, because even though we're self proclaimed Evil nobody really believes that, and we've got a pretty good philanthropist reputation. Even if they found out what we were doing behind the scenes, my memory doesn't recall us doing anything that a Super would really see as reason to go after us-even if not all our activities have been, you know, legal.
- [ ] Non-combatants/those least suited to helping out against Evil/Screenshocke/Shockslaver/Circuit Breaker will move to take Sinatron's body and move it somewhere safer so Evelyn can't damage him beyond all repair
- [ ] People suited to combat will confront Evelyn. Focus on defense and stopping her from killing anybody, especially us, and if the opportunity provides itself take her out with preferably minimal lethality.
After everything he's pulled and how much he's fucked over Evelyn, I can't help but admit I've got a certain affection for Sinatron. Gotta keep my mafia lounge singer android anti-hero safe! Plus, keeping him from being taken out for good will definitely curry us favor with him once he starts inevitably moving up in Olympia.
I don't think trying to escape or just hide out is an option when it comes to dealing with Evelyn. For one thing, trying to run away after we've seen and heard everything about what she's done risks the chance of us being noticed or found and promptly fried by her, and plus it'd make us look like cowards. I'm not sure how much or a chance we stand when it comes to straight up fighting her and going for the flat out take down, but I think we can successfully keep her attention while defending ourselves and stopping her from hurting the other remaining stragglers. And, again, it'd help us curry favor for saving them.
Plus, you really think Edna would let us run?
Also, unrelated to the plan but related to supers and this general event, I've realized that the return of legal superheroics could end up being something that'll turn into a thorn in the side of many of the kings. After all, how many superheroes have enemies who are popular public figures and renowned businessmen, but in actuality are very evil or at the last amoral or corrupt?
Sure, nobody will be breaking into Xanatos' tower and punching him out then sending him to jail, but they can do a lot of harm in other ways. Every King has some illegal operations they support or benefit from, and the more Supers that appear (theres certainly gonna be a LOT of them the moment that the repeal happens) the more those operations are going to be disrupted and connected back to them. And, again, that almost certainly wouldn't be enough to depose most of the active Kings with all the connections and power they have, but it'd be enough for the Super(s) to keep a close eye on them and actively work to foil their goals when they can do so. Not to mention the ol' "accidental public confession."
Granted, the fact that the majority of Kings were supporting the repeal of the SRA might mean that they'll be given trust and looked at without suspicion by most new and returning Supers, buuut keep in mind that Evelyn, the woman spearheading the repeal in the first place, just outright stated she actually wanted to keep it standing. Somebody will probably try to bury that, but it'll come out one way or another, and that might just make Supers have second thoughts about their "benefactors".
I think we'll mostly be safe if my predictions are true, because even though we're self proclaimed Evil nobody really believes that, and we've got a pretty good philanthropist reputation. Even if they found out what we were doing behind the scenes, my memory doesn't recall us doing anything that a Super would really see as reason to go after us-even if not all our activities have been, you know, legal.
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- He/Him
That trait of hers instantly defeats an opponent - I think that would mean whichever individual foe she was targeting on a given roll, not our whole team
- Location
- USA
I like this plan.
How about we name it "Stopping a Supervillain with Style and Grace"
Hopefully focusing on defense will delay her enough for authorities to arrest her.
- Location
- USA
He might need therapy for being hypnotized.