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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

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TheGleeman said:
....Is it just me, or is that Channing guy a bit of a self-important pretentious dick?
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No, it's not just you. That was the general impression I got as well. Something about how he immediately stapled his name onto the theory, and then couldn't shut up about it.

Actually, though, to me this guy sets off much worse red flags. We seem to all be in agreement that his overall theory is sound, and possibly has even broader implications than he thinks it does. (yet, I'm sure he'll inflate it even more once the possibility occurs to him) However, despite that, his interpretation is not "Toons are beings born from our imaginations imprinted on the world around us," but "Toons are made of our imaginations, therefore they don't really exist." I find this to be a worryingly dismissive attitude, especially for what is apparently the head of government funded research into Toons. He also doesn't show any evidence of a sense of humor, which is rather odd in someone researching Toons. In a vacuum, this would just make him, as you said, a self-important pretentious dick. Given the amount of anti-Toon prejudice currently going around, this is the kind of research that's used to justify genocides. No idea if this guy is actively malicious towards Toons, but I don't doubt that Doom will gleefully jump on this.
 
Tumach said:
No, it's not just you. That was the general impression I got as well. Something about how he immediately stapled his name onto the theory, and then couldn't shut up about it.

Actually, though, to me this guy sets off much worse red flags. We seem to all be in agreement that his overall theory is sound, and possibly has even broader implications than he thinks it does. (yet, I'm sure he'll inflate it even more once the possibility occurs to him) However, despite that, his interpretation is not "Toons are beings born from our imaginations imprinted on the world around us," but "Toons are made of our imaginations, therefore they don't really exist." I find this to be a worryingly dismissive attitude, especially for what is apparently the head of government funded research into Toons. He also doesn't show any evidence of a sense of humor, which is rather odd in someone researching Toons. In a vacuum, this would just make him, as you said, a self-important pretentious dick. Given the amount of anti-Toon prejudice currently going around, this is the kind of research that's used to justify genocides. No idea if this guy is actively malicious towards Toons, but I don't doubt that Doom will gleefully jump on this.
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Having been on the ride, he didn't strike me as malicious toward Toons, just stuffy and not good at handling the unexpected. Since he probably never got taught the value of thinking outside the box by Figment, I suspect he's the sort to think that Toons are in need of benevolent but misguided correctional therapy to teach them how not to be zany and disruptive (which is going to be futile and/or harmful to them).

But yes, Doom will absolutely jump on this and we should head that off.
 
DrVillainous said:
Having been on the ride, he didn't strike me as malicious toward Toons, just stuffy and not good at handling the unexpected. Since he probably never got taught the value of thinking outside the box by Figment, I suspect he's the sort to think that Toons are in need of benevolent but misguided correctional therapy to teach them how not to be zany and disruptive (which is going to be futile and/or harmful to them).

But yes, Doom will absolutely jump on this and we should head that off.
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So, ignorance, not malice. Well, at least ignorance is easier to correct, and it's apparently canonically possible for this guy.

Fortunately, if there's one thing that Doofenshmirtz is good at, it's thinking outside the box. Actually, I'm not sure he remembers where the box is...
 
Yeah, we *Definitely* need to pre-empt any Toon-phobes and idiots latching onto that whole "Technically speaking, Toons don´t even exist" stuff, that while correct in a scientific fashion, would pave the way for depriving them of any rights.
 
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Hmm. I wonder if Toons, AI, and other beings whose personhood is derived from belief can also believe people into existence. If so, that would be a rather firm "no" to the idea that Toons aren't actually real.

EDIT: Hang on, I think I just figured out how the Animators Guild creates Toons. They don't create Toons and then film them. They create the first cartoon via the real-life method of drawing it frame by frame, then once the first audience believes the Toon into existence they switch over to filming the newly created Toon.
 
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After cross-reading a few things, I think I have narrowed down the most likely Point of Divergence for Doof´s victory over Perry being an off screen fight between the two between the episodes "Happy Birthday, Isabella" and "Love at first Byte". My reasons for it are simple:

- Stacy was shown to know of Perrys second life before, which means that the former episode already happened.
- Doof started the quest still very dismissive of Norms state as a person and "his son", which kinda contradicts his definite fatherly behaviour towards Norm in the latter (supporting him getting a girlfriend and all).

That means that their PoD doesn´t correlate to any *particular* episode, but instead happened in-between two different ones.

Sure, it´s relatively shaky evidence, but it´s still the best we got in therms of (head)canon.

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Nvm, I was operating under the assumption that the two episodes I mentioned happened back-to-back - so in the end the PoD could have happened during any of the episodes inbetween as well.
 
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CupswithsomeDude said:
Its a cool head cannon at least.
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Personally, I find myself blaming the De-Clutter-Inator for it, since its explosion was especially volatile in my memory.

Then again, there must have been a smaller PoD before Perrys death even, since in quest canon Doof did not yet come around to build the Other-Dimension-Inator.

Either that or he DID build it and after the movie´s climax, he too was mindwiped and only *Thinks* he hasn´t built it yet.
 
TheGleeman said:
Personally, I find myself blaming the De-Clutter-Inator for it, since its explosion was especially volatile in my memory.

Then again, there must have been a smaller PoD before Perrys death even, since in quest canon Doof did not yet come around to build the Other-Dimension-Inator.

Either that or he DID build it and after the movie´s climax, he too was mindwiped and only *Thinks* he hasn´t built it yet.
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In that case, presumably Major Monogram would have mentioned it at some point, given the positive loyalty.
 
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Interlude: Inspiration, Part II
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    • "For the last time Szalinski, Fluorosilicone is not a working substitute and the only 'free energy' you will get is the explosive decompre-"

    "Huahyl!" Goofy hollered as he careened through the canteen doors, on a direct collision course for the two scientists convening over two bowls of instant noodles. The two men barely had time to gape before impact occurred. Pens, paper, ramen, a clipboard, and at least one test tube went flying into the air, landing on or around Goofy seconds after he himself crashed to the ground.

    "Don' worry fellers, somethin' broke ma fall!"

    "T-that would be me." The more nebbish of the two replied, pushing Goofy off of him and picking up his horned rim glasses from where they had fallen.

    "Gawrsh, sorry about that. My name's Goofy!" Goofy replied, putting out a hand.

    "Wayne Szalinski." The other man replied, taking the hand from his still-prone position. A moment later the other scientist grasped his other hand, and together they pulled him up. In direct contrast to the other, this man was almost unrealistically handsome, with the sort of chiseled jaw that belonged on a 1950s thanksgiving advertisement.

    "Oh, what did I ever do to deserve such a cacophonous workplace?" the man asked, hauling Szalinski to his feet and then dusting down his coat.

    "You invented Flubber."

    "I did?" The man's pleasant face scrunched up in an expression of befuddlement. "Oh that's right, I did. So sorry, have we met?" The man asked, shaking Goofy's hand in turn. "Phillip Brainard. I invented Flubber."

    "Well, gawrsh. Isn't that the stuff they say blew u-"

    "Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch!" Szalinski interrupted, covering Goofy's muzzle as quickly as he could. "He gets sad."

    "Well no, I was tryin' ta tell that it didn' actually-"

    "There you are!" A supercilious voice rang out as Dr. Channing returned. "Mr. Goof, I see you have met some of our… faculty."

    "Yup. I was just about ta tell Phil here that-"

    "Oh, he left." Szalinski said. "I think he saw Dr. Kelzukhan's new alembic and wandered after him."

    "Oh, this just will not do." Dr. Channing declared. "We're on the verge of some real recognition he- I mean, a very productive partnership! We can't have our researchers just wandering off."

    "Well, maybe ya could introduce me ta some other folks?"

    "Oh, a splendid idea! Absolutely capital. Let's see… aha!"

    A moment later Channing led Goofy confidently across the room to where a young woman was enjoying her lunch. "Ah, Miss Dorothy! I'd like you to meet our guest for the day, Goofy… Goof. Visiting our humble institute at the behest of Doofenshmirtz himself! He invented sapience, you know."

    "Hi there!" The young woman replied, hopping up from the bench and happily shaking Goofy's hand. Her labcoat shook gently, puffing out with "Call me Dottie! And… Dr. Channing… I think it was his employee. Wendy Wower? I'm not a roboticist but it was in all the papers. Literally all of them. There was one in Nature."

    "Hyuck, that's right."

    "Yes well, all the same thing in the end. My apologies." Channing replied lamely. "But nevermind! Miss Dorothy, please, tell Mr. Goof what you have been working on."

    "I'm working on the means by which cognizance arises in inanimate objects!"

    Channing blinked.

    "Like Lamb here!" She added, pulling an old, well-loved stuffed lamb out of the overstuffed pocket.

    "Oh lord. I'd completely forgotten you-"

    "Hmm? What's that Lambie?" Dottie asked, holding the stuffed creature up to her ear before turning to Channing. "Lambie says you should really keep better track of the research you authorized funding for, Dr. Channing."

    There was a pause.

    "Also I'd appreciate it if you respected my degree, I spent eight years so that I could introduce myself as Dottie. Not you. Uh. That part was me. Not Lamb."

    "Right, um yes, of course. Er. Well. Good to have seen you, then, Excuse- yes…" Channing muttered as he awkwardly steered Goofy away.

    "I'm so sorry Mr. Goofy, Mi… er. Doctor McStuffins has some odd ideas, I must admit. Animated toys. Heh. Now then… ohh dear. There must be someone else I can-"

    "Why, yes. I think perhaps there is."

    Channing stopped short.

    Standing beside Goofy, grinning widely, was a man with a neat ginger beard. A pristine white labcoat fringed with a whorl of rainbow color covered a red vest patterned with chaotic, riotous squares. His voice was kind but reedy, in contrast with his fit physique, and seemed to belong to a man with more years than the ungrayed hair upon his head would suggest he had. Atop it all was a magnificent silk hat, pulled as if from a bygone era, topped itself with a pair of working goggles laid slightly askew above its brim.

    "Mercurial." Channing said with a somewhat forced grin. "...Have you met our guest?"

    The man doffed his hat in a deep bow.

    "Ho ho. A pleasure."
     
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    Standing beside Goofy, grinning widely, was a man with a neat ginger beard. A pristine white labcoat fringed with a whorl of rainbow color covered a red vest patterned with chaotic, riotous squares. His voice was kind but reedy, in contrast with his fit physique, and seemed to belong to a man with more years than the ungrayed hair upon his head would suggest he had. Atop it all was a magnificent silk hat, pulled as if from a bygone era, topped itself with a pair of working goggles laid slightly askew above its brim.

    "Mercurial." Channing said with a somewhat forced grin. "...Have you met our guest?"
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    Wouldn't Dreamfinder be in DVV Classic, since he's from 1910?
     
    BeepSmile said:
    I've forgotten, what was the other major breakthrough that Doof stole the credit from Wendy/whenish did it happen?

    It's been some time since I read the older chapters.
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    Doof didn't steal anything. Wendy invented the Funintelligence process that Trevor built his company on, which he claimed as his own.

    Now, as for the update..My God. I am so angry the feds are the people who own this institute, because I have never seen a group of people who fit DEI's brand of oddly-effective weirdness BETTER than these weirdos. I think this is gonna be the start of a BEAUTIFUL partnership...
     
    woweed said:
    Doof didn't steal anything. Wendy invented the Funintelligence process that Trevor built his company on, which he claimed as his own.

    Now, as for the update..My God. I am so angry the feds are the people who own this institute, because I have never seen a group of people who fit DEI's brand of oddly-effective weirdness BETTER than these weirdos. I think this is gonna be the start of a BEAUTIFUL partnership...
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    You know, if the government is ever in a position where they need a bunch of money, perhaps we could buy it.

    Or we could do something to delay government spending bill, causing federal wages to freeze, then we could try to poach all the employees of the institute.
     
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