One question, guys:

What if we gobbled up FleemCo relatively soon? That way we´d eliminate our biggest competitor in the Widgets sector - which again, is our main source of income sector-wise - AND move strongly into Retail / Wholesaling in one fell swoop

Sure, in the grand scheme other things would probably be more important - Genetics and AI/Robotics being the most pressing matters - but absorbing FleemCo would be a nice "side gig", so to speak
 
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One question, guys:

What if we gobbled up FleemCo relatively soon? That way we´d eliminate our biggest competitor in the Widgets sector - which again, is our main source of income sector-wise - AND move strongly into Retail / Wholesaling in one fell swoop

Sure, in the grand scheme other things would probably be more important - Genetics and AI/Robotics being the most pressing matters - but absorbing FleemCo would be a nice "side gig", so to speak
I'm not sure FleemCo is for sale?

Also we might get hit by the Anti-Trust Act for such blatant monopolistic behavior and I don't wanna Lobby to avoid that.
 
I'm not sure FleemCo is for sale?

Also we might get hit by the Anti-Trust Act for such blatant monopolistic behavior and I don't wanna Lobby to avoid that.
Monopoly on what exactly though? I mean yea we make all the widgets and doo dads but like try writing that down in a government report miscellaneous junk isn't something you can really pin down as one thing so it's kinda hard to accuse someone of having a monopoly on it is what I'm saying
 
the pyroclast buyout should be a corperate action and not too difficult to slot in, it's also a company i was eyeing for a while now even if we only "revealed" them for purchase this turn
worth noting that buying pyroclast would cost a bunch of funds which i'm *hoping* are earmarked for lobbying (and after that, folks wanted to spend a bunch on hirring the dickens for the star search)
One question, guys:

What if we gobbled up FleemCo relatively soon? That way we´d eliminate our biggest competitor in the Widgets sector - which again, is our main source of income sector-wise - AND move strongly into Retail / Wholesaling in one fell swoop

Sure, in the grand scheme other things would probably be more important - Genetics and AI/Robotics being the most pressing matters - but absorbing FleemCo would be a nice "side gig", so to speak
aside from antitrust issues, worth considering that we're overbearing in the sector so i don't think there's much benefit to buying them out? like not much room to grow/gain more money from what i know of how the system works, and i don't *think* we need to be worried about it? unless another king buys them out there's not much chance of them ousting us (we've got overbearing status so they're acting at a malus and can't get higher than thriving iirc?), at least not without us getting warning first, which we haven't
Monopoly on what exactly though? I mean yea we make all the widgets and doo dads but like try writing that down in a government report miscellaneous junk isn't something you can really pin down as one thing so it's kinda hard to accuse someone of having a monopoly on it is what I'm saying
well, it's clearly labelled as the parts industry right? i think the USA can definitely do it if they so want to. that said, monopolies are definitely nice so it may be worth the risk? just need to get on their good side like ENCOM is. (they easily get away with being a full on monopoly since they're basically the main reason half of the masquerades still functions, which sucks for us but is a good example to copy?)

wonder if the government would be interested in CJ's ability to potentially act as a second MCP in that respect if something happens to the first one? might not be enough for them to say "sounds great, go ahead" but it's more reason to keep us around, and would worsen MCP's ability to get away with stuff too if we can specifically sell them on "yeah we can do this, dw about it". somehow.
i.e. break MCP's *other* monopoly
 
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This is great and all, but I will note: We only get our income in like, 4 turns. We don't need to go whole hog in a single turn on Robotics right now.

I would prefer doing a mix instead of just super robotics.
Part of it is just that I think doing it all at once would be more theatrics. It's about the drama of it all, the distant competitor jumping up to near the top so suddenly. It would be cool, is my thing.
 
aside from antitrust issues, worth considering that we're overbearing in the sector so i don't think there's much benefit to buying them out? like not much room to grow/gain more money from what i know of how the system works, and i don't *think* we need to be worried about it? unless another king buys them out there's not much chance of them ousting us (we've got overbearing status so they're acting at a malus and can't get higher than thriving iirc?), at least not without us getting warning first, which we haven't

It was mainly meant to be a one-two punch of "solidifying our stranglehold in the Widgets sector AND moving strongly into Retail /Wholesaling in one go", but again: more of an idle thought how about how to get a lot of bang for our buck and all
 
aside from antitrust issues, worth considering that we're overbearing in the sector so i don't think there's much benefit to buying them out? like not much room to grow/gain more money from what i know of how the system works, and i don't *think* we need to be worried about it? unless another king buys them out there's not much chance of them ousting us (we've got overbearing status so they're acting at a malus and can't get higher than thriving iirc?), at least not without us getting warning first, which we haven't
To be fair, the last bonus grants an extra +3 rather then the normal +1 that an additional rank gives. It's VERY potent. But, yeah, probably not worth it when we just got off the fed's shitlist.
 
Clearly the correct course of action is to become the fourth place guy in every subsector except like two. Sure, we might not be the one that creates the new Mars Terraformer, or the guy that sends out new luxury stretch flying cars, or even the guy with the series of Korean-Mexican fusion restaurants that make Hego seethe with envy... or a few other things. BUT! All of those things? Subcontract to us. Every single market leader, entirely reliant on Doofenshmirtz Seedy Subcontracting!
 
Aerospace
The aerospace industry is an ongoing competition between Xanatos Enterprises and Drakktech. XE's recent acquisition of Wyncomm, previously an industry leader, has tipped the scales heavily in his favor.
We have sublight drives but are unlikely to try and break in on a meaningful level, especially with Xanatos' position.
Chemicals and Material Processing
Glomgold Enterprises is overbearing in the market of industrial raw goods and bulk materials, but they are far from the only actor. InventCo and several Zaibatsu-aligned corporations are featured heavily in the field, though they sell most often to their own downstream divisions.
We have nothing really here and are unlikely to try and break in on a meaningful level.
Computers & Electronics
A heavily fought sector, DEI's limited investments pale in comparison to even smaller scale investments such as Saberling Appliances. The Zaibatsus have heavy investment in the industry, but the true master of the field is ENCOM, which maintains an effective monopoly on OS usage and dominates every other aspect of the field.
We have the stuff we're protecting here but realistically any attempts here are on hold until we do the cyber quest.
Food & Agriculture
DEI holds a stable investment in their field, superceded only by megaproducer Nyums and the Corn-Magnates operating within the New Mewni Economic Investment Zone. Bit players include Xanatos Enterprises with Chef Skinners, Drakktech and Inventco's limited agricultural investments, and a variety of smaller distribution firms like Fierce Fizz Soda and Dr Carver's Nuts.
Outside of the businesses that are available, the Economic Biodomes action is decent here. We know from the potential Sycorax action that Insect Control even on its own likely unlocks benefits in this field. Sequencing crop genomes is an option as well but realistically the pushback isn't worth it there.

Genetics
Sycorax is the unquestioned industry leader in genetics, but DEI, Drakktech and Xanatos are all significant players in the industry. Genetics has something of a reputation for being both a megacorp industry smaller firms know better than to play in, as well as a field in which one will encounter 'reformed' mad scientists more than in almost any other. There's not as many mad economists (footnote: the only known mad economist, Frugal Lucre, is outside the scope of this report as well as incredibly annoying.)
Expanding to Japan and the New Man project are right here and it'll be a major focus.

Healthcare
The Healthcare industry is surprisingly fragmented, with most actors being various large but not yet megacorp scale firms as well as publicly owned hospitals. Sycorax is heavily invested into genetic cures, and XE has some degree of interest in the field.
New Man still does a lot here but we also have multiple corporate actions here we can take.

Insurance/Legal
Glomgold Industries own some of the best ambulance chasers in the business, enough to match the entire nation's non-megacorp firms in effect. NMIEZ and Xanatos both feature significant resources in this area. Of note is Insuricare, which would be knocking on Glomgold's door for control of the field if it were not for its notably altruistic policies that leave it a near non-profit in function.
We do actually have some investment in this technically even if we lose money on it, but no real actions to improve our front here.

Investing
Glomgold practically owns the stock market, but that practically is still important. Every Megacorp has some sort of tax haven shell structure set up, and Xanatos Enterprises owns a bevy of clearing houses, investment firms and corporate vehicles. Smaller firms also exist, such as Esplumoir Economics LLC and BRO Capital.
Nothing here for us at this point but I imagine doing the tax haven thing would be part of the approach here?

Mass Media/Performance Arts
Media is a very fractured landscape, with a huge variety of US-led firms. Many CEOs have significant investment; everyone wants a news outlet of their own. ENCOM and Drakktech are the most notable among them, though DEI dips its toes in.
So we have a lot of potential to try and ratchet our way up here through the Disney vault things, everything with Olympia + Split/Second, etc. This is something we can and should invest a fair bit into.

Motor Vehicles/ Transportation (Land)
Cloverleaf is of course an overbearing presence here, but Glomgold's cut-rate used dealerships steal a decent chunk of the market. DEI and Drakktech also feature some automotive options. Several auto manufacturers are yet to be snapped up by a major corp, including Centercore Motors, Zootopia's Big Limos, and Kludge.
We can put things into here if we want, the issue is mostly just that we will need to use a Learning action for it to enter the field which is difficult with New Man taking up space.

National Defense
Once KRONOS's bread and butter, the field is now a rat race between Drakktech, Olympia, Bakaemono, and Xanatos Enterprises. Many industry commentators believe the industry is open for a new market leader.
So I personally don't want this and we have nothing here currently, it is hitting Mirage's trauma points super hard. But like it or not, we may be forced into doing this by the Inator for the upcoming turn.
Petrochemical/Energy
Fuel is big business. Khan Industries and Drakktech lead the field, while independent oil barons like Tex Richman still hold sway. InventCo is investing in new energy sources, and DEI has some marginal income from their Dinoco division.
We have some very minor investments but we don't have a lot of easy avenues in here currently.
Restaurants
The franchise wars are far too large a topic to cover here. Let's try anyway. The market has become incredibly cutthroat in recent months, leaving the dramatically inclined to deem it the 'Franchise Wars'- a name that naturally caught on like wildfire. That's not even counting brands like Nighstones currently staying out of it. Currently there is an all-but-outwardly-violent struggle for market dominance in the area, with the Zaibatsu Triad (Noodle Burger, Yaki Taco, and Poultry Palace) competing with Chef Skinner's, Louie's Place, and Captain Kernel's. The exact leaders vary from week to week but it is predicted one will eventually come out on top. DEI has recently withdrawn from the battle, leaving Doc Hopper's to be torn up and distributed.
We left this and we are not going into this viper pit again.
Retail & Wholesaling
Another field simply too large to monopolize, Smarty Mart gives it the old college try anyway selling almost literally anything an end consumer wants. FleemCo is a major competitor. Hundreds of small brands like Wonderluxe Appliances, Al's Toy Barn, Galaxy Toys, and Spendco round out the field, while Drakktech, Inventco and Glomgold owning their own distribution chains. DEI is an afterthought.
There's buyables like Al's Toy Barn but this doesn't really seem very worth to try and get into?

Robotics
The Zaibatsu of course lead the way here, Bakaemono being king of physical robotics and Funtelligence the inventor of the digital, but it's a brutal slug-out fight for the number 2 spot. Olympia still just barely reigns supreme for now, but ENCOM, DEI, XE and local player Davenport Industries are all in the running.
So obviously we're going in on this with Diecast and Japan soon. Bakaemono Supply Chain is interesting since it does tie us in there more which isn't great but the lowered DCs may be worth it in some capacity.
Telecoms
The one field in which Olympia has maintained a commanding share, it nonetheless shares room with many American and international firms, though none are notable enough to list.
Let our allies handle this.
Air Transport
Shere Khan is an overbearing market leader, though Glomgold maintains extreme budget 'bring your own chair' airlines.
We have no investment or easy starting point, let Shere Khan keep it.
Crime
A naturally diverse field, Crime is divided between dozens of outfits on regional grounds. Sykes and Yama are the only figures with serious interstate pull.
I guess if we really want? But Russ would be sad...
Widgets
DEI's fundamental bread and butter. No major corporations can hope to match them, though FleemCo does its darndest as a valid alternative for many of the non-proprietary doodads. STUART and Industrial Industries round out the field with modest investments.
We're the leaders. Technically there is the shop we can buy but money is enough of a commodity that its really not worth it at this point.
 
Clearly the correct course of action is to become the fourth place guy in every subsector except like two. Sure, we might not be the one that creates the new Mars Terraformer, or the guy that sends out new luxury stretch flying cars, or even the guy with the series of Korean-Mexican fusion restaurants that make Hego seethe with envy... or a few other things. BUT! All of those things? Subcontract to us. Every single market leader, entirely reliant on Doofenshmirtz Seedy Subcontracting!
Given the way the mechanics work building wide rather than tall is more efficient in terms of income. Each rank up needs actions equal to half your current rank. So up till 3 needs only a single action per rank. 4 and 5 need two while 6 and 7 need three. Being the jack of all trades is not a bad idea.

Side note, I looked back at the Info threadmark on Industries and the previous turn results and I still cannot work out why the Industries Breakdown update doesn't have "Pharmaceuticals". It has crime so clearly the illicit nature of the product isn't an issue. One of the purchasable companies (Nyums) gives standing in the industry so clearly there is some happening.
Anyone got any ideas?

Posts in question:
Advanced Robotics
Aerospace
Chemical Products / Material Processing
Computers / Electronics
Crime
"Pharmaceuticals"
Food / Agriculture
Genetics
Healthcare
Insurance / Legal
Investing
Mass Media / Performance Arts
Motor Vehicles / Transportation
National Defense
Petrochemicals
Restaurants
Retail / Wholesaling
Telecoms
Transport (Air)
Widgets / Miscellaneous

--[x] [Corporate] Market Research: West Coast (1 funds)
90% CoS
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Success

A report on the standings of the following factions is forthcoming:
-Glomgold Industries
-Olympia Corporation
-Khan Industries
-Cloverleaf Industries
-NMIEZ
-ENCOM
-various smaller groups

The following companies are now available for purchase:
-Nyums (Food, "Pharmaceuticals")
-Wizard Sports (Entertainment)
-Industrial Industries (Widgets)
-Kludge Automotive (Transportation)
-Coo Koo Cola (Food)
-Super Cinemas (Entertainment)
-GameGuy Gaming System (Electronics)
-Piccolo Aeronautics (Aerospace)
-Al's Toy Barn (Retail)
-Pyroclast Industries (Robotics)

Aerospace
Chemicals and Material Processing
Computers & Electronics
Food & Agriculture
Genetics
Healthcare
Insurance/Legal
Investing
Mass Media/Performance Arts
Motor Vehicles/ Transportation (Land)
National Defense
Petrochemical/Energy
Restaurants
Retail & Wholesaling
Robotics
Telecoms
Air Transport
Crime
Widgets
 
Monopoly on what exactly though? I mean yea we make all the widgets and doo dads but like try writing that down in a government report miscellaneous junk isn't something you can really pin down as one thing so it's kinda hard to accuse someone of having a monopoly on it is what I'm saying
We control a large chunk of the parts industry, and many random consumer goods as well. us getting bigger in it means that we will control most screwdriver and screw sales in the country.

I think that alone is probably a good enough reason to say 'Ok no'
 
Restaurants
The franchise wars are far too large a topic to cover here. Let's try anyway. The market has become incredibly cutthroat in recent months, leaving the dramatically inclined to deem it the 'Franchise Wars'- a name that naturally caught on like wildfire. That's not even counting brands like Nighstones currently staying out of it. Currently there is an all-but-outwardly-violent struggle for market dominance in the area, with the Zaibatsu Triad (Noodle Burger, Yaki Taco, and Poultry Palace) competing with Chef Skinner's, Louie's Place, and Captain Kernel's. The exact leaders vary from week to week but it is predicted one will eventually come out on top. DEI has recently withdrawn from the battle, leaving Doc Hopper's to be torn up and distributed.
You know what funny, technically we started it by buying Doc Hopper, who would have thought that simple action would turn everybody so bloodthirsty and become the spark that started the cutthroat Franchise Wars.
 
You know what funny, technically we started it by buying Doc Hopper, who would have thought that simple action would turn everybody so bloodthirsty and become the spark that started the cutthroat Franchise Wars.
And other CEOs will think, is DEI starting the franchise war only to leave it and us to tear eachother apart a genius business move, or stupid random bullshit? No one can tell!
 
And other CEOs will think, is DEI starting the franchise war only to leave it and us to tear eachother apart a genius business move, or stupid random bullshit? No one can tell!
None of the other CEOs will entertain the thought that Doof did something like this deliberately.
They might believe Xanatos manipulated Doof into doing it unwittingly but that is about as close as it gets.
 
I like that we have our fingers in many pies.
It fits thematically for DEI: we are widget's company, we sell weird staff that is used in many different fields. And it fits Doof: genius inventor, who can barely keep control of what the hell he creates: from translator to manipulator of probabilities.

Plus, i don't believe we would be more satisfied with more narrow specialization.
People have already discussed how, mechanically, wide range is better. But, narratively, we have this new interesting world with entartaining characters. Of course we would want to explore different possibilities.
 
I like that we have our fingers in many pies.
It fits thematically for DEI: we are widget's company, we sell weird staff that is used in many different fields. And it fits Doof: genius inventor, who can barely keep control of what the hell he creates: from translator to manipulator of probabilities.

Plus, i don't believe we would be more satisfied with more narrow specialization.
People have already discussed how, mechanically, wide range is better. But, narratively, we have this new interesting world with entartaining characters. Of course we would want to explore different possibilities.
Yeah, honestly, building wide is kinda fitting for Heinz Doofenshmirtz, dude who builds a new invention every single day, and has tried to re-use an old scheme exactly once (with the only changes being that he changed the name to fit his inator-thing, and that it was a musical). Heck, Doof recently had a major revelation at the realization that he CAN actually just...Build the same Inator a second time. But, we have reached late enough in the game to have a reason to focus up, and we even have an oddly clear throughline: Namely, creating life. New Men, Robotics, Toons...Could be fun.
 
Of note is Insuricare, which would be knocking on Glomgold's door for control of the field if it were not for its notably altruistic policies that leave it a near non-profit in function.
Is there anything stopping us from just turning it into a non-profit? If I recall right we are losing money on this, so we might as well turn it into a non-profit for the tax breaks.

Food & Agriculture
DEI holds a stable investment in their field, superceded only by megaproducer Nyums and the Corn-Magnates operating within the New Mewni Economic Investment Zone. Bit players include Xanatos Enterprises with Chef Skinners, Drakktech and Inventco's limited agricultural investments, and a variety of smaller distribution firms like Fierce Fizz Soda and Dr Carver's Nuts.
It might be worth investing more heavily in the agriculture field if only to overtake Toffee's Market Share and cut down on his income in a way that's not a direct aggression against him. It's a decent way to make a sideways swipe at him without really getting into trouble over it.


Motor Vehicles/ Transportation (Land)
Cloverleaf is of course an overbearing presence here, but Glomgold's cut-rate used dealerships steal a decent chunk of the market. DEI and Drakktech also feature some automotive options. Several auto manufacturers are yet to be snapped up by a major corp, including Centercore Motors, Zootopia's Big Limos, and Kludge.
Same with Cloverleaf and transportation.

We've got two explicit enemies here. Outside of business, we are in a war with Toffee and Doom, so we might as well consider that in our business dealings. Things that strengthen us while weakening our enemies are arguably better then things that just strengthen us by a comparable degree.

For instance, one way to cut down on Doom's marketshare without directly competing with him ..... we've got tunneling tech and robots. Underground railground system, both Intra and interstate. This is valuable technique because it cut's down on the need for Doom's market, cars and roads, but it doesn't actually directly compete. Doom can't beat us buy having a better car, because trains and car's are two radically different things, and as long as car's cost money and traffic and parking are problems, there's a value in trains that simply can't be eliminated.

The beauty of doing it underground with our super tunneling tech is that it allows us to avoid one of the biggest problems facing IRL train development .... people don't want to lose their property because train tracks need to be there, or live next to a loud train system, etc, etc. By doing it underground we basically only have to cut deals with the government.

Reminder that business is a way to weaken our enemies, not just politics, sabotage, and attacks.
 
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terraforming to recrete the USA's Train infrastructure sounds funny.
I hate to say it but it seems like one of the few possible ways to pull it off. Real hard to make trains in America.

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Still terraforming but in a different way, if we get involved with reclaiming the Wasteland I bet we can get a ton of that land real cheap, and that's a different way to make trains a thing.
 
hate to say it but it seems like one of the few possible ways to pull it off. Real hard to make trains in America.

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Still terraforming but in a different way, if we get involved with reclaiming the Wasteland I bet we can get a ton of that land real cheap, and that's a different way to make trains a thing.
What happened to the Underminer from the Incredibles is his tech still around. If so we could start making underground train tunnels across the country.
 
What happened to the Underminer from the Incredibles is his tech still around. If so we could start making underground train tunnels across the country.
It wouldn't hurt to grab that as well, but between the Greco-Roman Terraforming tech we have and Lizzy's excavation tech we should be pretty good? Might need some adjustments to optimize it for train regulation tunnels, but we should have the basics pretty much done tech wise for the tunnels at least.
 
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