Of course the exact details matter. We don't know the minutiae that was handled by everyone that is not Doof. That is because Doof doesn't actually manage his company, or the government for that matter. We don't know how CJ was fully integrated. What we have is the very bias perspective of Doof seeing things as he wants to. Doof has influence, but that influence does not translate to him ruling it. Sure, it could but the likelihood of Doof's character developing in that direction is rather slim.

Dude, he was able to just give City Staff more Vacation Days. That is not a policy change that can be enacted by someone who doesn't have a lot of actual real influence over the City. Since that implicity means they trust/will adopt the thing he just brought in that supposedly does the work that will allow them to take additional vacation days off. I'm essentially arguing a tautology here. Doof exercised governing power by changing Danville/Doofania's government (via CJ) thus it means he has actual governing power.

isn't it only mr incredible who's dead? fairly sure he died before Elastigirl ever started to suspect and thus never arrived on the island. she should be at home with her kids if I recall.

Right now what we know for sure about this can be summarized in one word and one phrase:

Shrug. Who knows?
 
Dude, he was able to just give City Staff more Vacation Days. That is not a policy change that can be enacted by someone who doesn't have a lot of actual real influence over the City. Since that implicity means they trust/will adopt the thing he just brought in that supposedly does the work that will allow them to take additional vacation days off. I'm essentially arguing a tautology here. Doof exercised governing power by changing Danville/Doofania's government (via CJ) thus it means he has actual governing power.



Right now what we know for sure about this can be summarized in one word and one phrase:

Shrug. Who knows?
i mean, our girl from kronos literally said that Mr incredible was dead and that elastigirl has not been seen by kronos, and thus not by syndrome.
 
Masquerade going down, QM's thinking about heroball units, I think I have an answer.

I think our eccentricity and pettiness might be well served by becoming Emperor of the HRE. This is a CK2 quest after all, and by making ourselves literally the emperor of the HRE we could have vassals and free cities and such to help the QM's organize all the heroes into discrete semiautonomous "heroball" vassal groups.

Genghis should be Grand Prince of Wyoming. Did you know that the Wyoming/Montana area is one of the most similar places on the planet geographically to Mongolia without being Mongolia or it's direct neighbors? He would fit right at home on those ranges I believe

and Danville could be granted charter to be a Free Imperial City which would make our brother our vassal.

I duno. Having our not-in-use heroes be available to our vassals (assuming they find no hires of their own) would increase our action economy and help prevent interlude bloat as our action economy increases. The system could scale up if we have any conquests/new cities and allow us to shift some heroes to permanently be on our vassal's councils to reduce character bloat issues later on. I think it might be good! anyway, have a good day everyone
 
If Doofenshmirtz was delusional about ruling Doofania, then the inhabitants of the Tri-State Area would be paying taxes to the federal government. They're not, as noted in the Stop Paying Taxes action that's available to us (we're paying an amount of money that's roughly equal to what they would be paying). I doubt DEI is sufficiently profitable to pay three states' worth of tax money each year, meaning that Doofenshmirtz is collecting taxes from the population.
 
If Doofenshmirtz was delusional about ruling Doofania, then the inhabitants of the Tri-State Area would be paying taxes to the federal government. They're not, as noted in the Stop Paying Taxes action that's available to us (we're paying an amount of money that's roughly equal to what they would be paying). I doubt DEI is sufficiently profitable to pay three states' worth of tax money each year, meaning that Doofenshmirtz is collecting taxes from the population.
For the record, we ARE a Megacorp. They're meant to be obscenely wealthy to the point that such money wouldn't be out of the question.

In a more humorous take, maybe that's where the paycheck we get from Charlene is going atm.
 
Dude, he was able to just give City Staff more Vacation Days. That is not a policy change that can be enacted by someone who doesn't have a lot of actual real influence over the City. Since that implicity means they trust/will adopt the thing he just brought in that supposedly does the work that will allow them to take additional vacation days off. I'm essentially arguing a tautology here. Doof exercised governing power by changing Danville/Doofania's government (via CJ) thus it means he has actual governing power.
Doof's perspective is not reflective of how it was actually managed. As it has been said multiple times, Doof does not manage his business or the government. It most likely ended with the City Council passing a resolution expanding their vacation time with Doof not even thinking about the matter even further. Because, well. They're the ones who manage the city.

Doof just has influence.

If Doofenshmirtz was delusional about ruling Doofania, then the inhabitants of the Tri-State Area would be paying taxes to the federal government. They're not, as noted in the Stop Paying Taxes action that's available to us (we're paying an amount of money that's roughly equal to what they would be paying). I doubt DEI is sufficiently profitable to pay three states' worth of tax money each year, meaning that Doofenshmirtz is collecting taxes from the population.
They're paying their taxes to us because it means that they don't have to manage their taxes. Think of it more as that DEI provides accounting services to the Tri-State Area's entire population. And he is delusional about actually ruling Doofania, as Made in Heaven has said multiple times. Remember, Doof is the only person who thinks in terms of territory. That is a misconception.

Discord said:
MrHobbit1234: Why do people pay their taxes to Doof anyways?
C-Moon: Why wouldn't you want someone else to take care of your taxes for you?
Don't tell me you want to do them yourselves.

....

C-Moon: In essence, Doof does people's taxes for them.
Sebazu: ....he's gotta be the most confusing person to deal with for the goverment.
QTesseract: The IRS would do that but congress banned it
so I doubt they personally mind him doing a runaround there
as long as he pays
C-Moon: Doof's a private corporation, so it's kosher.
 
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Fact: I started watching Owl House. I now understand why there was a riot over Summoning Demons...

And wish that Owl House could be considered Canon to DVV. But there's not enough source material...

So alas, we will not be able to catch the slippery little fella, for he is covered in grease.
 
Honestly, if we could get a new Hero Unit each time we do the "Summon Demons" action? That is a pretty good recruitment action, with a lower DC than Search for Magical Individuals.
 
Honestly, if we could get a new Hero Unit each time we do the "Summon Demons" action? That is a pretty good recruitment action, with a lower DC than Search for Magical Individuals.
Just remember that summon demons can fail. Whether that means we summon nothing or summon a huge problem depends on the severity of the failure I guess. So, it's not something to be spammed lightly, if at all
 
Would not paying taxes give us a 3rd stewardship action?
No. The rewards and downfalls are clearcut.

Acquire a lot of money. Like, a LOT.

Also piss off the US government because we're like 1/5th of their tax revenue.

(Before killing me over flawed math: consider that the Wasteland and Toxic Jungle, as well as Eldrich Nonsense Doritoland, are probably NOT paying a dime.)
 
No. The rewards and downfalls are clearcut.

Acquire a lot of money. Like, a LOT.

Also piss off the US government because we're like 1/5th of their tax revenue.

(Before killing me over flawed math: consider that the Wasteland and Toxic Jungle, as well as Eldrich Nonsense Doritoland, are probably NOT paying a dime.)
I'll have you know Iowa is still contributing just fine... Somehow...
 
I'm somewhat surprised that Eda didn't turn out to be one of Janna's mysterious contacts. They'd get along so amazingly well.
And she likely would have been too. I can see Janna using Eda as a "slightly stolen junk" fence.

But alas, Owl House has not reached an end, and thus, cannot be properly canonized, lest new seasons provide more enticing Big Bads to King.
 
Thankfully, in regards to Owl House, both it and Amphibia can't be used yet because there isn't enough detail yet. BUT. They'll be usable without them being finished. They just need a bit more.

What is Emperor doing? What's his deal? How's the Titan doing? Does he need belly rubs?

What did Hopop do in his youth? What are all the machines doing? Is there an AXOLOTL CULT waiting to revive Dorito? What's up with Calamity Box?

I think that Owl House is actually probably more usable as a setting right now than Amphibia because there are too many ????'s in Amphibia whereas the basics of Boiling Isles are known
 
Update: Saw the deciphered cypher. I'm quietly chanting excitedly for when our favorite evil child arrives

LET'S GO ARTEMIS

...wait what if he's the reason Crisis is all Crisisy?


CURSE YOU LIFE-DRUNKEN POST THE UNINTELLIGENT ACTION! CURSE YOUUUUU!
 
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The Journey West: Hopeful News
The Journey West: Hopeful News



It has been years since the entire world turned upside down for Lyle McLeod, years since he's felt safe...

Years since the entire world turned into a giant pile of trash, quite literally in fact, since then the now former lawyer has been helping to lead a small group of survivors in the ruins of what was once Ames Iowa. They've been held up in some store called BnL on Lincoln Way, doing everything they can to get by. Nobody knew where it came from but it was in good shape, so they didn't complain too much. There was a decent amount of food to help them get started, but it didn't last long, at least they managed to get some scavenging groups going.

After they sealed the building they raided the remains of the hospital to get supplies and masks to survive in the toxic air, only to find they weren't the only survivors. Some people from the university managed to survive, but they'd gone mad, turned the football stadium into a deathtrap and went bandit. Got ahold of some vehicles and started driving around the ruins, attacking any groups they managed to find. Honestly Lyle's lost track of how many times they've been forced to hold off those psychos. Some of the smaller survivor groups joined up with Lyle's group after they proved themselves, not the BnL survivors are the second largest in the city, second only to the University...

Honestly he was lucky to survive the first attack, Lyle had never held a gun before, turned out to be pretty good with it, froze up and got shot in the shoulder after he killed one of them. Vomited when what he did caught up with him, now it's years later, he doesn't freeze up any more. The group is holding out in the store for now, can't risk going outside or the rust-storm will tear them apart so everybody's stuck until it breaks, well almost everyone. Almost like he could hear Lyle's thoughts Malone and his boys returned with some extra supplies, people were wary at first but trusting Malone trend out to be the right call. They're skeleton toons so they don't need to worry about the storm.

They came to town shortly before the trash came, former actors looking for better prospects East, Malone apparently worked with Mickey Mouse himself on a few of his scarier films, and had a starring role in The Skeleton Dance, hardly ever shuts up about it actually. After everything happened Lyle's group was the only one willing to take them in, and they've proven invaluable ever since.

"We're back folks, got some good shit for you," Malone always sounds like that, like some twenties gangster lost his skin. "Lyle, get your ass over here, got some news you'll want to hear."

As the others looked over the food and ammo Malone got from his run Lyle saw what he was talking about, some of the other skeletons were carrying something else with them under a protective tarp, or rather somebody…

"Found 'dis one pokin' around da University territory, pack's just full of hop, custom stuff too, gave the mook super strength." He informed Lyle before grabbing the prisoner by the hair and dragging him close "Now be nice lil' cat 'n tell da big shot what ya told me."

He simply spit in Malone's face and tried to get free.

"It's a little late to be brave," Lyle told the man before turning to the other skeletons. "Don't have the food to spare… toss him out."

Malone's men begin to do just that as Lyle and Malone walk closer to the fire to speak further.

"You were right boss, there's a way out. " He jabs a bony thumb back to the entrance. "That unlucky bastard was a dealer from somewhere west, it's all still there, taken over by corporations but still there, 'n they 'ave no idea what's goin' on 'ere, some story about a dustbowl da feds 'ave been spreadin' around."

"That's…" Lyle choked back a sob, how long have they been looking for a chance to get out of here… "He say how far?"

Malone shakes his head before putting a hand on Lyle's shoulder, it's honestly surprising how expressive a face with no skin can be, then again he is a toon…

That night Lyle told everybody the news, there's land that hasn't been touched by the trash, they have a direction, now they just need transport, he looks at the glowing viles from the drug dealer's pack…

Looks like they'll be paying the University a visit after all…

It's time to get out of this hellhole.
 
Doofenshmirtz's Power
I'm going to try to make an authoritative post here since I see a lot of people arguing back and forth with everyone sort of right and no one really getting it, and at this point ending thread arguments is more important to me than laying this out slowly over time as Doof himself becomes cognizant of it.

Doofenshmirtz is the CEO of a megacorp.

Somehow, mostly without him noticing, DEI went from an ongoing joke to a technological wunderkind. You can see the process of how this happened to some degree with the dinosaurs- DEI acquires some new tech, Doof screws around with it for a few hours, the 'pencil pushers' study the detritus and one of Doof's Hero Units takes charge and next thing you know DEI is making multi-millions off a resurrected triceratops puppy.

Coincidentally, one day Doofenshmirtz managed to activate one of his inators without being foiled. And he declared himself ruler of the tri-state area.

And that would have meant absolutely nothing... except he's also the CEO of a megacorp.

The central tension here is that Doofenshmirtz is correct about having power, for entirely the wrong reasons. He imagines himself as a golden age evil science dictator, when in fact he is a shadowrun corporate mastermind. A position for which he is supremely unprepared. And by trumpeting his power to the world, he regularly kicks at the foundations of that power.

Doofenshmirtz has also managed to amass a collection of friends, fans, and even family that support him and pick up the slack in areas he can't or won't. An administrative AI assists the democratically elected mayor in running his capital city. Standard, non-mad scientists turn the droppings from his mad miracles into revolutionary products. An army of pencil pushers keep the cogs of a megacorp running, as do your more grounded hero units. You have several prince tier heroes, as well as a protagonist-tier secret agent, who despite his better judgement has come to like you, constantly running interference to keep your craziest impulses in check and keep you from running afoul of other factions.

The awkwardness and uncertainty in, for example, the Board of Selectmen stems from this: Doofenshmertz is deluded, and the council knows he's deluded, but he also has real power, and everyone is uncertain about where the edges of that power lies. He's organized a robot police force that patrols the streets. He's directly responsible for a lot of the food his citizens eat.

Doofenshmirtz gets away with this uneasy equilibrium for a simple reason. 70% of his 'edicts' are utterly meaningless. Another 20% are actively positive, and what most people wanted to do anyway. And the remaining 10% are so unbelievably, incomprehensibly petty, that frankly it's easier to just go along with them. Doofenshmirtz has passed a law demanding everyone follow him on social media. Since following him gets you free food in the middle of a famine, and any DoofOS system you buy comes with Doofenshmirtz already friended, this is basically universally followed regardless of its non-enforcement. And so, uneasy equilibrium.

The city council had no idea what they were going to do if you, for example, demanded they disband and do as you say. But then you gave them a free robot and doubled their vacation time. And so. Uneasy equilibrium.

You declared you wanted to take some supervillains out of jail. The wardens were very worried to discover you were remitting them into the care of... a licensed therapist. Who then followed protocol to the letter before recommending them for parole and maybe, quietly, greasing the gears a bit. And so. Uneasy equilibrium.

The government chooses to let Doofenshmirtz play because, so far, they have bigger issues to deal with. Because he seems, relatively speaking, pretty harmless. And because, even if it's a lot less than he thinks it is and in a much different form than he thinks it is, Doofenshmirtz does have some real power. And he could use that power to, quite possibly, blow the lid off the whole system in his death throes.

Every other earthbound King is playing Shadowrun, and having someone coming along playing Tropico makes them uneasy. Because even as it kicks at Doofenshmirtz's own power base, it kicks at other people's too. The government is not toothless, and still has an army they could use to take down any given king if they had to. The reason they don't is that the other Kings could, at various points, crash the economy in seconds, send a superpowered hit squad to Washington, buy half of congress in a day, or otherwise retaliate in mutually assured destruction. So everybody quietly and carefully jockeys for power in the shadows, greasing palms and slicing throats and skulking about to varying degrees of sneakiness, hoping to slowly either establish a more stable equilibrium or win it all outright. Because if the kings' power struggles go hot, or the government intervenes carelessly, then a lot of people die. And maybe more important, depending on which CEOs you ask: CEOs lose a lot of money.

Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated is an unstable, precariously balanced system at the center of an unstable, precariously balanced system. Doofenshmirtz is playing jenga, blindfolded, convinced he's actually playing charades, while three other people frantically try and pick up the pieces behind him.

But regardless, he still gets to sit at the table and play Jenga with everybody else, because he paid the entrance fee and he somehow hasn't got in the way of anyone else's turns.

Yet.

Does that answer the debate about how 'powerful' Doofenshmirtz is?
 
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I'm going to try to make an authoritative post here since I see a lot of people arguing back and forth with everyone sort of right and no one really getting it, and at this point ending thread arguments is more important to me than laying this out slowly over time as Doof himself becomes cognizant of it.

Doofenshmirtz is the CEO of a megacorp.

Somehow, mostly without him noticing, DEI went from an ongoing joke to a technological wunderkind. You can see the process of how this happened to some degree with the dinosaurs- DEI acquires some new tech, Doof screws around with it for a few hours, the 'pencil pushers' study the detritus and one of Doof's Hero Units takes charge and next thing you know DEI is making multi-millions off a resurrected triceratops puppy.

Coincidentally, one day Doofenshmirtz managed to activate one of his inators without being foiled. And he declared himself ruler of the tri-state area.

And that would have meant absolutely nothing... except he's also the CEO of a megacorp.

The central tension here is that Doofenshmirtz is correct about having power, for entirely the wrong reasons. He imagines himself as a golden age evil science dictator, when in fact he is a shadowrun corporate mastermind. A position for which he is supremely unprepared. And by trumpeting his power to the world, he regularly kicks at the foundations of that power.

Doofenshmirtz has also managed to amass a collection of friends, fans, and even family that support him and pick up the slack in areas he can't or won't. An administrative AI assists the democratically elected mayor in running his capital city. Standard, non-mad scientists turn the droppings from his mad miracles into revolutionary products. An army of pencil pushers keep the cogs of a megacorp running, as do your more grounded hero units. You have a several prince tier heroes, as well as protagonist-tier secret agent, who despite his better judgement has come to like you, constantly running interference to keep your craziest impulses in check and keep you from running afoul of other factions.

The awkwardness and uncertainty in, for example, the Board of Selectmen stems from this: Doofenshmertz is deluded, and the council knows he's deluded, but he also has real power, and everyone is uncertain about where the edges of that power lies. He's organized a robot police force that patrols the streets. He's directly responsible for a lot of the food his citizens eat.

Doofenshmirtz gets away with this uneasy equilibrium for a simple reason. 70% of his 'edicts' are utterly meaningless. Another 20% are actively positive, and what most people wanted to do anyway. And the remaining 10% are so unbelievably, incomprehensibly petty, that frankly it's easier to just go along with them. Doofenshmirtz has passed a law demanding everyone follow him on social media. Since following him gets you free food in the middle of a famine, and any DoofOS system you buy comes with Doofenshmirtz already friended, this is basically universally followed regardless of its non-enforcement. And so, uneasy equilibrium.

The city council had no idea what they were going to do if you, for example, demanded they disband and do as you say. But then you gave them a free robot and doubled their vacation time. And so. Uneasy equilibrium.

You declared you wanted to take some supervillains out of jail. The wardens were very worried to discover you were remitting them into the care of... a licensed therapist. Who then followed protocol to the letter before recommending them for parole and maybe, quietly, greasing the gears a bit. And so. Uneasy equilibrium.

The government chooses to let Doofenshmirtz play because, so far, they have bigger issues to deal with. Because he seems, relatively speaking, pretty harmless. And because, even if it's a lot less than he thinks it is and in a much different form than he thinks it is, Doofenshmirtz does have some real power. And he could use that power to, quite possibly, blow the lid off the whole system in his death throes.

Every other earthbound King is playing Shadowrun, and having someone coming along playing Tropico makes them uneasy. Because even as it kicks at Doofenshmirtz's own power base, it kicks at other people's too. The government is not toothless, and still has an army they could use to take down any given king if they had to. The reason they don't is that the other Kings could, at various points, crash the economy in seconds, send a superpowered hit squad to Washington, buy half of congress in a day, or otherwise retaliate in mutually assured destruction. So everybody quietly and carefully jockeys for power in the shadows, greasing palms and slicing throats and skulking about to varying degrees of sneakiness, hoping to slowly either establish a more stable equilibrium or win it all outright. Because if the kings' power struggles go hot, or the government intervenes carelessly, then a lot of people die. And maybe more important, depending on which CEOs you ask: CEOs lose a lot of money.

Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated is an unstable, precariously balanced system at the center of an unstable, precariously balanced system. Doofenshmirtz is playing jenga, blindfolded, convinced he's actually playing charades, while three other people frantically try and pick up the pieces behind him.

But regardless, he still gets to sit at the table and play Jenga with everybody else, because he paid the entrance fee and he somehow hasn't got in the way of anyone else's turns.

Yet.

Does that answer the debate about how 'powerful' Doofenshmirtz is?
yes though if this isn't thread marked I foresee this coming up again in the not so distant future. Not that you need to. Thanks.
 
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