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Shade31415 said:
Assuming the DC hasn't changed, if we hire the Dickens (Commodore) to do it the roll bonus is 17+55=72, or a 77% chance of success before XP since the current DC is 95. So unless the DC drastically changed, probably not.
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Actually, it's an 80% chances of success now (90% after XP) thanks to our intrigue increasing by 3 this turn. Also personally I think we should go with the Commodore since if we put Russ for example then we wouldn't get to discover any secrets about Russ with that action (the same applies to our others Hero Units).

The Zog said:
Since we're discussing actions for next turn I think for occult we should put Tom on recruiting more help. Our occult heroes are spread thin on top of the DC bottleneck and it's going to take two turns to recruit Mal so I think having another Occult hero on the home front working specifically for us would be really good to free up Janna for quests and training and Kitsune for intrigue and new personal actions on top of it having the highest probability for a good roll in occult.
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We don't really need to really. This turn either Tom will be doing an Occult action or meeting Marco, however, as the year ends we'll get 3 Tom actions next turn, those are enough to give us Grunkle Mal. Moreover, that is if we do it inefficiently since it's better to alternate Tom and Kitsune (when Globin Fox) isn't active and use Kitsune's Personal Actions (all of them satisfy Globin Fox) when she's Globin Fox active.

Moreover, just between Kitsune and Tom we cover the 6 actions of the year, and this is without accounting us getting Marco next turn (he's an Occult score) and Mal the next next turn, so we really aren't hurting for Occult heroes right now really.

bigking321 said:
I'm hoping they are more useful than her old spread chaos ones.
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I hope they spread targeted chaos.:)
 
I'm actually not planning to look into the employees this turn. I'm more in favor of looking into the drug cartel and hitting Doom as much as we can. That's why i'm sending Russ to spy on him, Kitsune to sabotage him, and having the Dickens (Commodore) look into the drug ring (I would have Russ do it, but Shego may respond poorly to a fed).
 
woweed said:
and having the Dickens (Commodore) look into the drug ring (I would have Russ do it, but Shego may respond poorly to a fed).
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Personally, I'd like it if we put him to investigate our employees. That action's DC has been growing each time we get some Hero Units that may have secrets and next turn we're going to get Marco so the DC will increase even higher (if it hasn't increased yet because of us getting Tom)...

Although maybe doing something like putting Tobe + the Dream Talisman (can't remember its name) could be enough.
 
We should definetly at least consider the Otherdimensioninator for out learning task this turn, probably with Ludvine because Jumba doesn't get his massive bonus
 
sunsunsunsunsun said:
We should definetly at least consider the Otherdimensioninator for out learning task this turn, probably with Ludvine because Jumba doesn't get his massive bonus
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Eh. I say it can wait until we get Marco, which, barring catastrophe, will be next turn, or MAYBE the turn after that. Having an actual functioning pair of dimensional scissors to study should be useful.

Retrueno said:
Personally, I'd like it if we put him to investigate our employees. That action's DC has been growing each time we get some Hero Units that may have secrets and next turn we're going to get Marco so the DC will increase even higher (if it hasn't increased yet because of us getting Tom)...

Although maybe doing something like putting Tobe + the Dream Talisman (can't remember its name) could be enough.
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I'd actually prefer to give that to Kitsune. It's risky, but just IMAGINE the havoc she could wreck on Doom's operations with it...
 
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Retrueno said:
We don't really need to really. This turn either Tom will be doing an Occult action or meeting Marco, however, as the year ends we'll get 3 Tom actions next turn, those are enough to give us Grunkle Mal. Moreover, that is if we do it inefficiently since it's better to alternate Tom and Kitsune (when Globin Fox) isn't active and use Kitsune's Personal Actions (all of them satisfy Globin Fox) when she's Globin Fox active.

Moreover, just between Kitsune and Tom we cover the 6 actions of the year, and this is without accounting us getting Marco next turn (he's an Occult score) and Mal the next next turn, so we really aren't hurting for Occult heroes right now really.
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Marco and Tom are more loyal to Star then us, remember, Tom will refuse us if he thinks whatever action he wants us to undertake won't help find Star while Kitsune's build makes her more useful out in the field. My main argument is that I think it would be useful to have a squishy occult hero better to work on the homefront like Mirage, Jumba, and Bradley so we can free up units that are better suited on the field like Tom, Marco, and Kitsune and allow other heroes opportunities to take personal actions.
 
The Zog said:
Marco and Tom are more loyal to Star then us, remember, Tom will refuse us if he thinks whatever action he wants us to undertake won't help find Star while Kitsune's build makes her more useful out in the field. My main argument is that I think it would be useful to have a squishy occult hero better to work on the homefront like Mirage, Jumba, and Bradley so we can free up units that are better suited on the field like Tom and Kitsune and allow other heroes opportunities to take personal actions.
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You're making some assumptions about Marco. Certainly, Janna was willing enough to work with us.
 
woweed said:
Eh. I say it can wait until we get Marco, which, barring catastrophe, will be next turn, or MAYBE the turn after that. Having an actual functioning pair of dimensional scissors to study should be useful.
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Marco isn't just going to hand over the scissors, and we already have the Key which should lead to a pretty big DC drop.
 
sunsunsunsunsun said:
Marco isn't just going to hand over the scissors, and we already have the Key which should lead to a pretty big DC drop.
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He's not going to hand them over PERMANENTLY, no, but I imagine we could set up some sensors and figure out what they're doing. Plus, if we have Jumbaa do a genetics action this turn, we can free him up to do work on it, and put Ludivine on a higher-DC action.
 
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The Zog said:
Marco and Tom are more loyal to Star then us, remember, Tom will refuse us if he thinks whatever action he wants us to undertake won't help find Star while Kitsune's build makes her more useful out in the field. My main argument is that I think it would be useful to have a squishy occult hero better to work on the homefront like Mirage, Jumba, and Bradley so we can free up units that are better suited on the field like Tom, Marco, and Kitsune and allow other heroes opportunities to take personal actions.
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Marco has been working as a mercenary all this time so if we recruit him I really doubt he'll have the same restriction as Tom. Also, Tom's restriction is not that bad since we only have to construct an argument in favor of said action helping find Star. This is not really difficult for a lot of our Occult actions (where we need him really), it's however quite harder for the rest of them (and not really a good idea for Martial actions really since those would involve assaulting Toffee).

We only need to do 2 Occult actions more, this turn and the next turn since the next turn we'll be getting Mal and he'd be put permanently in Occult actions since he'll just have a better Occult action.

This is also the reason I think that recruiting an Occult action this turn is not really wise since they'd only have 1 turn (the next one) and that turn they'll have to compete against Tom, Kitsune, and Marco in Occult Actions so unless they can beat their Occult Score.
 
woweed said:
He's not going to hand them over PERMANENTLY, no, but I imagine we could set up some sensors and figure out what they're doing. Plus, if we have Jumbaa do a genetics action this turn, we can free him up to do work on it, and put Ludivine on a higher-DC action.
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If we use his scissors for portal device, Marco first impression will be that we recruited him for his artifact.
 
woweed said:
Plus, if we have Jumbaa do a genetics action this turn
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This is something I feel we absolutely need to do, with Jumba we roll +110 on any genetics related action so just not using him even one turn feels like a massive waste, he just-auto pass Large Hervivore Domestication for example. And about that, is there any reason why we aren't trying to do it this turn? It really feels like the logical continuation of our Dino tech tree path.
 
Retrueno said:
Marco has been working as a mercenary all this time so if we recruit him I really doubt he'll have the same restriction as Tom. Also, Tom's restriction is not that bad since we only have to construct an argument in favor of said action helping find Star. This is not really difficult for a lot of our Occult actions (where we need him really), it's however quite harder for the rest of them (and not really a good idea for Martial actions really since those would involve assaulting Toffee).

We only need to do 2 Occult actions more, this turn and the next turn since the next turn we'll be getting Mal and he'd be put permanently in Occult actions since he'll just have a better Occult action.

This is also the reason I think that recruiting an Occult action this turn is not really wise since they'd only have 1 turn (the next one) and that turn they'll have to compete against Tom, Kitsune, and Marco in Occult Actions so unless they can beat their Occult Score.
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Not really, my main point is that Marco, Tom, and kitsune are better field agents than magical researchers. It's simply practical to try to get an occult unit that specializes on national actions when the previous three are specialized elsewhere.
 
Retrueno said:
This is also the reason I think that recruiting an Occult action this turn is not really wise since they'd only have 1 turn (the next one) and that turn they'll have to compete against Tom, Kitsune, and Marco in Occult Actions so unless they can beat their Occult Score.
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As opposed to Wasabi who has no competition for his action slot?

Come on, drop this line of argument. It applies more to Wasabi then the glooms.

We are absolutely hurting for better Occult heros. Just getting a decent one without any odd restrictions would be nice at this point and that's not even counting all the stuff they bring with them.
 
bigking321 said:
As opposed to Wasabi who has no competition for his action slot?

Come on, drop this line of argument. It applies more to Wasabi then the glooms.

We are absolutely hurting for better Occult heros. Just getting a decent one without any odd restrictions would be nice at this point and that's not even counting all the stuff they bring with them.
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And to add to this if we have Tom go recruit occult heroes that pushes the Gloom's down the priority list lessening the conflict on who to recruit from our Rolodex next turn.
 
Don't forget that the Glooms have both that broom and the crystal ball. Even if the latter can't scry shielded areas, that still sounds useful against some of our non-occult goals, such as getting rid of Doom.
 
The Zog said:
And to add to this if we have Tom go recruit occult heroes that pushes the Gloom's down the priority list lessening the conflict on who to recruit from our Rolodex next turn.
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Not really. Only crit success gives us free heroes and we won't have it on occult DC 90 action. Taking any recruit action will just add to our recruit from rolodex list.
 
The Zog said:
Not really, my main point is that Marco, Tom, and kitsune are better field agents than magical researchers. It's simply practical to try to get an occult unit that specializes on national actions when the previous three are specialized elsewhere.
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This is true, but they're just more useful in Occult. Moreover Marco would have to compete with the Khan for Martial Actions. Tom it'd be hard (or a bad idea) to put him in Martial Actions and using Kitsune in an Intrigue Action is only better if she's hurting someone (and Kitsune is actually better at Occult if she's doing things related to Asia (like those Mongolian relics)).

bigking321 said:
As opposed to Wasabi who has no competition for his action slot?

Come on, drop this line of argument. It applies more to Wasabi then the glooms.

We are absolutely hurting for better Occult heros. Just getting a decent one without any odd restrictions would be nice at this point and that's not even counting all the stuff they bring with them.
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I've don't think I've argued about putting him on National Actions even once. I've argued about getting him to start getting BH6.

Now you tell me in which turn we would be using the Glooms, because if we recruit them the timeline will be something like this:

1 Turn (this one): recruit the Glooms and move the Castle.
2 Turn: The Glooms have to compete against Tom, Kitsune (who gets a +15 to study the Mongolian relics we got) and Marco for the National Occult action. We get Mal.
3 Turn: Mal.

ReaperofInterest said:
Don't forget that the Glooms have both that broom and the crystal ball. Even if the latter can't scry shielded areas, that still sounds useful against some of our non-occult goals, such as getting rid of Doom.
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An unreliable crystal ball. They'd probably need an 80 roll in a d100 without any modifiers or so for it to work, the same goes for the Brewing Potions (but with less need of a high roll).

And again personal actions are a gamble, they get no modifiers from Doof, nor from themselves and not even from XP. Just look at how Hego's do good deeds went.
 
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You know, Marco's been searching for Star, evidently for a while. How do we know he won't have a similar restriction to Tom if Janna winds up.recruiting him?
 
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