Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Well, I've always wanted Pagan Science soon, but it is a 600pt perk stuck in that monstrously large Knowledge constellation, so I've been focusing more on somewhat more realistic perks like This Is How I Want It and You Became A Star. But, since we are talking Pagan Science, I will lobby for which song I would like to see for this perk from RWBY: .

I mentioned this quite some time ago, but I feel the following RWBY tune perfectly captures Jozef and his relationship to the workshop.

To be honest, I'm listening to this and I'm linking this more to Aisha's relationship with Joe, and what may be in the future.
"I met a man, he had a dream, I tried to understand, but nothing was what it seemed. Sometimes that's how gods roll."
Also, you have good taste.
 
Well I'm curious about the free stuff Joe got from the tales of symphonia theme perks.

Like his own iconic outfit and weapon? Shit that's already a boost to his aura.
 
I just want Joe to go out and do stuff, to try to clean up his mess, and have it be interpreted in ways that are amusing to us readers.

Heck, I still think LordRoustabout should cut the points-per-word requirement down to 1000 words per 100 Forge points, but then only count words that aren't about describing his powers and that are about interacting with people and things that aren't the Workshop, the denizens thereof, or otherwise arising from his powers.

Sure, Apeiron Overwhelming can beat most things now -- Scion making for quite the exception so far -- but I'd really like to see Joe trying to have healthy social interaction and do good for Brockton without drawing attention. Or if he must draw attention, show off in a way that has everyone going WTF!? for long enough to do his good and then get away without more than a friendly tussle with Dragon.
 
A couple of thoughts occur. Can Joe currently make machinery or mechanisms that are small enough to count as threads? Because I had some ideas about Garment getting some armor suitable for a pair of gloves.

I also had some thoughts about whether she could make tissue scaffolds, or at least some leather, out of collagen microfibers. Not only would it help with surgical efforts, being able to colonize tissues with a patients own cells and in a tissue scaffold superior to any found in nature, but it would allow her to apply her sense of fashion to bodies themselves. I'm sure that she of all people would be understanding of someone changing their form for their image.

Also she could probably use some collagen microfibers made by the Protectorate or something, because I'm sure that either Armsmaster or Browbeat could supply some collagen microfibers, to build ties between organizations. She could probably make them herself, at least assuming that various microfibers are on the market at all, but it'd be good to import things like that that are very much a product of labor. Stimulates the economy and all of that.

Relatedly though it might be worth it to put microfibers onto the market and see if that grants Garment the ability to produce them. Maybe start a artificial leather market based off of that particular method of production? I'm sure that testing it would be very interesting.



Unrelated to Garment though I wonder if Joe could transfer the property of being in a super-position, or rather entering super-positions, from something like a electron, or collection of electrons, to a larger material. I imagine that being able to interact with ones other potential configurations, or to have them interact with eachother, could be useful. If nothing else I bet that having the potential of them be destroyed instead of having them potentially be destroyed, a important distinction when dealing with super-positions and all-destroying abilities, would make dodging easier.

Relatedly I bet that some of Grues Darkness would be interesting to drain properties out of. It'd probably make some good wave dampening properties which would be good for things like displays if nothing else. Also if parahuman materials are being used for property infusions then some Master projections and/or Breakers would probably be good sources of exotic properties.
 
To be honest, I'm listening to this and I'm linking this more to Aisha's relationship with Joe, and what may be in the future.
"I met a man, he had a dream, I tried to understand, but nothing was what it seemed. Sometimes that's how gods roll."

You know, that's just what I thought when I first posted a link to that video waaay back when:
I could imagine Aisha, hopefully years, but at least days from now, singing this at Joe's memorial service..you know, if she could sing..

Looks like Joe's memorial service is going to be a ways off, but you are right that it could also refer to the way Aisha sees Jozef.
 
Personally speaking, I think Joe has been acting rationally, calmly, and not as effectively as he could have.

Therefore, narratively speaking, the best perk for him to get next, IMO, is STRONG SPARK MWAHAHAHAHAHA
THE WORLD SHALL BURN (mostly the evil) AND THE STARS SHALL WEEP
FEAR THE IRON MAN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
 
Yikes.

Unfortunately, unlike the melodious Pagan Science and the horrific Arch-magos, Strong Spark is not buried in the knowledge constellation, so we might accidentally see it sooner rather than later... though I would prefer the felinicious Infusionist myself...
 
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Soundtrack Perks (KnightofRoyalty)
Well I'm curious about the free stuff Joe got from the tales of symphonia theme perks.

Like his own iconic outfit and weapon? Shit that's already a boost to his aura.

Right now he has the freebie of his attack named and displayed titles as shown in the victoria interlude,

once he gains pagan science (the 600 music perk) he gets alot of freebies to do with signing:

Attuned [Free]
Well, not just anyone can start singing and activate a relic! While there are ways to artificially gain attunement – the LiNKER drug and Human-Relic fusion coming to mind – you're going to gain a high natural level of attunement, allowing you to activate and use a Symphogear without artificially increasing your synchronization coefficient. Be warned though, your synchronization still isn't high enough to completely prevent the backlash from singing your Swan Song.

The Song of Your Heart [Free]
In addition to an improvement to your singing skills and ability to compose songs you are no longer reliant on your mouth to deliver your songs. You may freely sing and speak simultaneously, as your heart broadcasts your song (plus appropriate musical accompaniment) without necessity for such things as atmosphere, breathing, or instruments. This can be freely toggled but doesn't require further concentration once activated unless you wish to use non-Relic based singing abilities alongside it.


Signature Genre [Free]
Something we've noticed amongst the wielders is that the musical accompaniment created by their Gear tends to follow a certain genre unless working in tandem with another wielder. What's that? You don't have one? No problem! See the table below for what your genre begins as, although much like the Symphogear, it evolves over time and with your character. You could easily begin with Celtic music and end with generic pop, but if you still don't like what you have, we'll also let you play any soundtrack perks you might already have.

And than the ones from the soundtrack in multiple jumpchains that lord said it will open once pagan science is unlocked and there is quite a few of them:

Ace combat:
-Soundtrack (Free): When you take to the skies, it does not always have to be on a somber note. As you fly to your mission, dogfight, or assault an enemy position you'll have the soundtrack of your choice playing in the background. Others can hear this if you wish, and you can turn this off at any time. Perfect for when you want to hype yourself up for a situation.

Bayonetta:
-Jingle of Jazz (Free): You've got a soundtrack now! Whether you want it to be peppy and sound likesomething out of a club, or go to the other end of the spectrum with ominous latin chanting and heavy orchestra, it's up to you! Go nuts and remember to keep it how you like it. Heck, you can make it a soft jazz note fit for a bar if you wanted.

Cave Story:
-Moonsong: Now the Cave Story soundtrack follows you wherever you go! Every song from the soundtrack is available to you and you can play whatever feels appropriate. As a bonus, you also get a constantly updated list of remixed tracks based on Cave Story music wherever you go. Ever wanted to hear Moon Doctor while traversing space? You can.

Chrono Trigger:
Jumper's Theme (Free): Ever notice how everyone around here's got their own theme song? Huh, you can't hear it? Well, I sure can, and if you'd like, I can hook you up with the Composer to get you your own personal song! It'll fit you perfectly, and start playing whenever you're doing something impressive or cool. You can decide if anyone else besides the two of us can hear it, although nobody's going to think it's unusual or associate the fact that it suddenly kicks into gear with your presence.

God of war:
-Epic Poem (Free): The Greeks very much enjoy their tales and stories, traveler. They were infatuated by stories, and things that could be done to improve them. You have been blessed with such a boon, and now have access to the entirety of the God of War series' soundtrack to play for you in the background! You may turn this on or off at your leisure.

Halo:
-Soundtrack of the Stars (Free): It is one thing to be told that you have to fight a war that appears outright impossible, but to do so with little in the way of morale or confidence boosters is effectively asking you to die. You really need something to help you out on that last part if you want to make it through this whole thing, which is why you have this freebie that allows you to have the entire Halo soundtrack at your disposal. Have appropriate themes playing in your head depending on the situation, or cue something up to feel amazing. This option is able to be toggled.

Indiana Jones:
-Catchy Theme (Free): Dr. Jones' theme song is practically iconic by now. The second someone hums it, you know who it belongs to. It's time you got that same treatment. This will grant you a single tune that can play whenever you're going to do something that will completely steal the show, and it's guaranteed to be damned amazing. Whether others hear it or just you, is your choice.

Marvel Cinematic Universe:
-Soundtrack of the Galaxy: What's a good act of heroism or villainy without some kind of music to back you up? This will ensure that you have a fine selection of music that you feel defines the moment, whatever it may be. Superb orchestra, rock music, even a hefty dash of songs from the 1980s if that's your thing. I'll even throw in this handheld cassette player that can work in deep space to listen to it from if you feel like it. Plan and act your day with style.

No more heroes:
Grasshopper.1 (Free)- You have a boss track. Simple as that. It may not be the best one known to man, but you have something to call your own.

Sabaton:
In all of these cases, a CD will appear in your hand once you make your choice – a single by Sabaton in both English and Swedish concerning one of your previous adventures. However, there is another option...

RWBY:
Iconic Theme, Free: You first hear this song when you do something amazing, then everytime things get serious. Others can hear this if you wish, but won't find it strange. How bizarre.

The Witcher:
Soundtrack(Free) You get the entire Witcher soundtrack. You can play it at anytime and choose who hears it, breathtakingly clear and beautiful.

Van Helsing:
Transylvanian Horses: During a time of great peril, need, or trial, an ancient Transylvanian tune will echo behind you. You can adjust its ambient volume, and it can be turned on and off at will.

Like I said quite alot its kinda overwhelming but there is alot of music options that it will be badass to be playing will joe fights being even more anime which is why I want it.
 
Personally speaking, I think Joe has been acting rationally, calmly, and not as effectively as he could have.

Therefore, narratively speaking, the best perk for him to get next, IMO, is STRONG SPARK MWAHAHAHAHAHA
THE WORLD SHALL BURN (mostly the evil) AND THE STARS SHALL WEEP
FEAR THE IRON MAN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
So this got me thinking about how long it takes for Joe to make something compared to how long a strong Spark can spend in The Madness Place, which got me thinking about mega-projects, which go me thinking about Null/Zero, which got me thinking about how the Yangban might want to get their hands on something like what's being thrown around in the Bay.
 
So! New reader here who recently binged everything as fast as I could. Have it a day or two to settle and arrange my thoughts. So key details might have been forgotten or missed as I sped read so please bear with me. If you have an issue with anything I say, please keep in mind I am not a professional critique giver nor editor. Most if not all of this will be tinged by my perspective, bias, opinion, whatever you've want to call it. Merely me giving feedback about how this story was to me to the author.

Firstly, this story is great and I truly enjoyed it. It's been a fun ride so far and I hope for so much more in the future. The quality is great and the narrative is solid though I do have parts I dislike though from a more biased opinion oriented side than anything purely logical and technical. There were very few times I had trouble reading through parts and time would fly by as I was absorbed by your words. Be proud, both for the quality of your work and the quantity.

Now, I did a little digging into this thread once I started to feel some fatigue and displeasure of March and certain aspects. I saw Lord's response to the dislike aimed towards her and I commend him for his mature and well explained reply. My opinion on what I felt towards her was, aside from my dislike of her as a character which was well written to do, I disliked her as a narrative device and obstacle. She came off as something that felt impossible to ever beat, something to constantly prevent the protagonist from succeeding in his conflicts due to everything she touched becoming so much worse.

Her long stay made me worry about the future conflicts being worthless in the scheme of things because they'd never be won, or would be Pyrrhic victories at best. Part of that too was fed by how things seem to always take a "they're getting worse" tint when dealing with Joe. First Amy and that debacle plus the Aegisslash, then the first Bakuda engagement. Then there was the Dragon interaction that started off cool and interesting and had me excited about Tinker Collaboration that suddenly had the alert go up at the worse time to prevent them from making ground on Bakuda, and then the hostile interaction shortly after. Then the sudden Oni Lee can Duplicate March's Annihilator Power. It felt like no matter how much better joe got, things just spiraled worse. Just how it feels overall for using on those things alone. And as stated earlier this just made March seem even worse by association because she personified that feeling.

Thats all I have to say on how I felt on the matter.

Now, things I hope for or look forward to in this story are a handful that you don't already cover with the massive crafting of everything.

They are:
— Joe maybe using the impossible to have cracked due to the black box home tech he can alter homes led somewhat, like with the Thinker Proof Screen(Speaking of, does that mean whenever he exits his workshop he exits into the timeline Coil would choose that his body is being purported in, and exists as a blindspot to that Parahuman Power then?). It'd be neat to have his tech start to be sold, to gain rep that way.
— Joe collaborating with other Tinkers. Because it's just fun to see him nerd out with others and talk shop, and I was sad it didn't last with a Dragon.
— Romance, maybe not now or soon, perhaps even as more an epilogue thing. I just feel bad his one time he expressed romantic feelings they exploded in his face so badly, and want him to eventually have a god romantic experience. Also because I personally find love to be one of the greatest things you should strive to achieve in life and thus kinda enjoy seeing it happen to the protagonist of a story. In the more epilogue aspect of him achieving it, I say that because while not now, but in like 5-7 years I could see him and Aisha becoming a thing for several reasons. A possibility, one with wholesomeness, and not just depravity or something that SHOULD happen. Because love is strange as we all know by now. Maybe Dragon in this continuity could work as well. Sabah... dunno. I'm not sure if it was ever explicitly stated that Sabah was 100% Homosexual, or if it was implied because she was dating Lily who was, and she could in fact be bisexual and thus there's possible future development there.
— Joe setting up healing services, like maybe mass produced normal healing for wounds and sickness and maybe special visits for more serious stuff.
— Joe setting up renovation services architecture wise for the city, make things look nice again.
— Joe setting up businesses with regards to himself so he can stimulate the economy some.
— Joe hanging out some more in week or two before the next big arc because seeing him have slice of life stuff with the Gym, the Undersiders, and Aisha is always fun.
— Finally for a time upgrading his entire workshop up to snuff, and making it all come together aesthetically.
— Finally reaching out to the Numbers Man that was a plot point that was kinda dropped after it happened with that line of numbers.
— Joe working more on his presence as a cape online.

On another tangent, could Joe use Spiral Tech/Energy to make a shield that while not blocking infinitely Annihilator Effects, can rebuff them for abit so he can physically escape their area/point of effect and thus not be injured?

That's about it. Sorry if I went off tangent or the like, and things got too heated or out there. Got distracted mid post and shiz.

Once again tho I love this story, and eagerly anticipate its next update.

Edit: Also sorry for the super long post.
 
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I'm pretty sure that what Oni Lee did wasn't copying Sting itself, it was just the watermark that the Sting shard uses to determine where the explosions should go. It is a technicality, but I'm still pretty sure it is within the limits of what shards are capable of doing.

And in regards to March, her success was mostly due to her PTV lite abilities. I honestly blame Wildbow for that.
 
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Hmmm... is there a perk that's sunshine and rainbows? We need that to battle the grimdark and Joe's own issues. Too much grimdark and we threaten to turn into canon worm... or worse... ward.
 
Part of that too was fed by how things seem to always take a "they're getting worse" tint when dealing with Joe.
I understand your feelings here, yes. Though, I think that's more about "you need to open the abscess so that the pus comes out and the wound can be healed". Mostly, at least. Like, all the mess that happened around Amy? Without Joe's interference, that might have been much, much worse later.
Dragon? Imagine "Tinker Collaboration" you been excited about happened... And Saint got access to everything Joe shared with her. I, for one, think that'd be a pretty big Yikes!.
And now Joe know that Dragon needs help, and will look for the options to provide it.
And so on.
 
And tbh, Lord did a great job making the whole March stuff be.... reasonable with how she helped making U&L and the ABB stronger, and she did mess up enough times to not come across as a plot device, just someone greatly annoying to fight against thanks to making the intelligent decision to never being in the front line, until she took the stupid decision so she could gloat (which is in line with most Thinkers). And even if she technically won by getting what she wanted.... well, it wasn't what she wanted.
 
Well, Joe is pretty much completely invulnerable to everything other than annihilation capes. I can't see the slaughter house 9 giving him much of a challenge honestly. One thing, please don't let everyone gather annihilation capes. Not only are they extremely rare, but then it just feels like your just pushing it so Joe can actually be injured. This is one of my favorite fanfics I have ever read, keep it up! Also, it feels sort of weird that Taylor is the only one who can save the world. I mean, Joe has made so many waves that even becoming Khepri is extremely unlikely. There are many ways to kill Scion, anything with Sting-like effects would do it. I refuse to believe that Joe can't kill him later.
 
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I wouldn't really dismiss the 9, for one, Hackjob can disable a lot of Joe's powers (though not his Apetech), no one knows that The Siberian is a Master construct for another, Jack's Thinker power probably works on him too (don't really remember if Joe have a Corona for that), and Bonesaw can probably Tinker up some disease that works on his demigod body or not immediately counteracted by his nanomachines, though that may depend on as how magic her magitech (Tinkertech counted as magitech right?) is, or if whatever she does can proc as a curse that the nanomachines have a hard time with. Cherish can probably fuck with his brain too, if not really effectively. Really, at least in my opinion the only ones who he can no-sell are Burnscar, Shatterbird and Mannequin, and Mannequin still works as a psichological attack.

EDIT: Of course, wether they can do anything before Joe demolish them is another matter.....
 
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Jack's Thinker power probably works on him too (don't really remember if Joe have a Corona for that)
Let me answer this lord pointed out since Joe is not a actual Parahuman with a shard, Jack can't predict him. Just because you have a corona doesn't Jack can predict you, it only works when you have a shard and Jack broadcast shard decides to mess with said shard. So Joe is safe from Jack's usual bs.
Bonesaw can probably Tinker up some disease that works on his demigod body or not immediately counteracted by his nanomachines,
No she couldn't, Lord also mentioned there's nothing Bonesaw can do to harm Joe with any kind of disease that he is basically resistant or immune to with added fact of his enhance biology that became even stronger after his post surgery. There's nothing Bonesaw can do to harm Joe but it's a different story for the people who can't easily counter her.
Hackjob can disable a lot of Joe's powers (though not his Apetech)
This is true but not everything Joe have is power by magic that's the thing, Joe does have tech that is science base which Hackjob can't shut down, while a few of Joe's power aren't actually magic. Remember it's magic and Parahuman powers equivalency, and that's it, Lord pointed once psychic powers get introduced no trump will be able to mess with said psychic powers. Also Joe does have other powers that aren't magic.
Cherish can probably fuck with his brain too, if not really effectively.
Lord said that Joe is becoming more resistant to a lot of mastered effects, which includes types like cherish and it only becoming stronger. But still I'm not 100% certainly yet, but again I doubt Joe will be slow down by it in my opinion at least
The Siberian is a Master construct
Yeah Manton is the only serious problem I would consider since Joe lacks info that the Siberian is a projection, but it doesn't mean Joe can't fight the Siberian and pop it a few times since Joe does have a few options for annihilator weapons.
 
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@Daxus1120 Thanks for the info~

Yeah, I knew Jack and Riley were kind of a longshot, and the only important power that Hackjob would disable probably is the Fashion defence one, since I don't think he can do anything to his demigod biology with it effectively making him a different species instead of an active power effect, and as you said, the majority of his tech works on proper tech.

And as you said, the main conflict would be about what they can do to him, but what they could do to the city.
 
@Daxus1120 Thanks for the info~

Yeah, I knew Jack and Riley were kind of a longshot, and the only important power that Hackjob would disable probably is the Fashion defence one, since I don't think he can do anything to his demigod biology with it effectively making him a different species instead of an active power effect, and as you said, the majority of his tech works on proper tech.

And as you said, the main conflict would be about what they can do to him, but what they could do to the city.
Fashion is a Fiat power, not Magic/Parahuman power. So Hackjob can't disable that either.

As for Siberian, Joe's Passenger knows but couldn't convey it well enough, though that might also be a lack of urgency and it might be easier when in person.
 
but what they could do to the city.
Yep, basically. Jack is not a complete moron, he's far more likely to target those that can't counter his band of murder like Joe can which is basically the civilians and any Parahuman that isn't up to Joe's level which is basically everyone because Jack shard power. Most likely the S9 will try to distract Joe, cause as much death and damage as possible to BB and leave before Joe annihilates them(good luck with that Joe is far more likely to create a Parahuman tracker to get his payback).
 
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