Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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No one arguing with you that Joe is cool. I said that you ignored the key point of the discussion you joined.
You, guys, too straightforward. The S9 main schmick is psychological warfare. Physically - yes, they unlikely to be able to hurt him. But they can, for example, turn other heroes against him. With hostages or trickery.
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No one arguing with you that Joe is cool. I said that you ignored the key point of the discussion you joined.
You, guys, too straightforward. The S9 main schmick is psychological warfare. Physically - yes, they unlikely to be able to hurt him. But they can, for example, turn other heroes against him. With hostages or trickery.
But it was shown that shit dont work on joe on the march broadcast where he straight up told her no, and the s9 andmost of the phycological is just cause of jack handicap of the broadcast or else he would of been killed along time ago and it dont work on joe, so not much psychological warfare, I mean jack and hes gang are murder hobo not Aizen
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Question, does Aisha's empowerment accessory let her shard not be connected to shard space so that Jack's can't interact with hers?
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Doesn't mean that forcing him to choose who he would save won't hurt him (if they manage to force him, that is).
Indeed, that's a big part. But not all.
I doubt it.
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If anything I would think it strengthen it, if only so her Shard can slurp up more delicious data.
Apeiron: This ler you control your power better.
Shard: [NOMNOMNONOMNOM]
And I don't think Jack's can communicate with Aisha's by default, since Aisha's power is escentialy his anti-thesis for what I understand (jamming vs communication).
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That depends on how much if his biology is dependant directly in his Shard's influence. If he can continue to live with his Shard's turned off, then yeah definitely, if not then he's a bit more immune since it would then count as a curse which is mostly outside the nanites purview.
She is not no, Jack's shards convinced Aisha not to kill Jack with a knife to the throat in canon. Now will Jack's shard be able to pull the same thing off with Aisha wearing Ren is the question.
Edit: Derp, reading comprehension, what happened to you?
I've no idea. She might be able to have a chance to identify when the shard is doing it instead of just no selling it outright.
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Actually, iirc Joe was if he had time before the whole Dave the undersiders thing, gonna build a teleported wasn't he? So he could deploy instantly anywhere in the city? With all his speed enhancements, magic enhancements, and material enhancements, can't he do that super quick and have it be super improved where he could make it so it could teleport anyone and thing around Brockton near instantly?
Also, still waiting to be answered on my earlier question on if exiting his thinker and simurgh proof base would put him as an invisible player that can't be simulated by coil if coil is mid using his power? So he can walk up to a mid his body being simulated Coil and he basically is invisible? Also could he replicate that within his armor so Thinker's can't predict him?
Also, still waiting to be answered on my earlier question on if exiting his thinker and simurgh proof base would put him as an invisible player that can't be simulated by coil if coil is mid using his power? So he can walk up to a mid his body being simulated Coil and he basically is invisible? Also could he replicate that within his armor so Thinker's can't predict him?
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What?
I assume you mean "teleporter"? If so - IIRC, teleportation was one of the few things that he lacked any blueprints (or a concepts that could be quickly turned into a blueprints) before he got a "Fixer" perk, and that happened only recently - in "Awakening" chapter. Before he had the alchemical formulae "Escape", but that's all (again - IIRC).
Fixer gave him an equipment database. But with his powers he can relatively easy remodel it into a stationary teleportation station. I think.
If I remember correctly he already has Ground Bridge tech from transformers. He just wasn't using it because of Simurgh or something
GroundBridge - Transformers Wiki
Edit: Also I think he was missing Cybertonium too
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I think the people talking about Joe killing the 9 are forgetting that he got a perk that means he views killing as a last resort. Given how powerful Joe is (and he'll only be more powerful by the time the 9 arrive) I don't think it's likely that he'll be forced to kill any of them. I think the worst he would do to them (unless he was forced to kill them, of course) would be removing their powers and then imprisoning them.
It is important to note that quite a lot of parahumans would view the removal of their powers as a fate worse than death considering that they view them as a part of themself. I wonder how a mass murderer like Jack Slash who triggered at a young age would react upon having his entire world destroyed by a casual drive-by by Apeiron. Suicide actually sounds like a real possibility, even if only as a final fuck you to Joe's Mental Health (even if Jack's Communication Shard can't gather that info he himself was if I remember correctly quite the able Psychologist through handling a bunch of Mass Murderers for Years).
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Save the undersides not Dave. On phone, d and s are right next to eachother.
And yeah, i Definitely remember him talking about setting up a teleported for fast response before Bakuda went to town on the Undersiders.
That's a good point. Burnscar is probably the only one who wouldn't be devastated by the loss of her powers. I think Jack committing suicide would depend on how well he was imprisoned. If he thought he'd never escape (but is simultaneously poorly guarded enough that he can kill himself) I think he would commit suicide, but otherwise I think he'd try to escape and keep doing his thing without powers. After all, from his perspective his only power is the blade extension. He thinks that he's just a natural social genius. Of course, if he did escape and try to reform the 9, he'd fail horribly and might realise that he never had the skill, and then he might kill himself. I think Crawler would probably throw himself at something and get killed, but I don't know if he's directly kill himself. Mannequin seems like the type to constantly try to escape and try to ruin everything even without powers. I don't really know what Bonesaw, Cherish, Manton and Shatterbird would do, though obviously they'd be extremely unhappy. I think Manton and Shatterbird would be more likely to kill themselves, since Shatterbird is rather vain and the power is the main thing she's got going for her, and Manton has been living vicariously through his power for years.
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Cherish would probably go to the deep end of paranoia and start suffering a persecution complex, since Masters start getting the shakes when they don't feel in control.
Shatterbird.... yeah, she feel she is special in part because of her powers, so that's a goner.
Manton is harder because drinked the vial to get revenge on Cauldron for "letting" his daughter die, so I think he would just find another way to shit on Cauldron. And try to take Bonesaw with him.
Bonesaw... yeah, don't know about her either. I get the impression that she isn't so much as attached to her powers and more attached to what she can learn with her powers at this point.
Shatterbird.... yeah, she feel she is special in part because of her powers, so that's a goner.
Manton is harder because drinked the vial to get revenge on Cauldron for "letting" his daughter die, so I think he would just find another way to shit on Cauldron. And try to take Bonesaw with him.
Bonesaw... yeah, don't know about her either. I get the impression that she isn't so much as attached to her powers and more attached to what she can learn with her powers at this point.
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Joe could combat global warming by applying Astartes bioengineering to trees and creating Astartrees, the Arboreal Defense Corps of Holy Terra.
Their leader is the Lorax with a chainsword and lasgun, hunting down Big Oil execs and litter bugs alike.
In the dead of night, some guy will toss an empty Coke bottle to the side of the road. He lights a cigarette and looks up at the smog-choked sky.
Off in the distance, he hears a deep, heavy Thump.... Thump... Thump... mRRRRR!
The revving of a great Chainsword splits the night, as a furred orange giant with a magnificent mustache sprints towards him, weapons drawn.
"I SPEAK FOR THE TREES, AND THE TREES SAY F*CK YOU. FOR THE EMPRAH!"
Their leader is the Lorax with a chainsword and lasgun, hunting down Big Oil execs and litter bugs alike.
In the dead of night, some guy will toss an empty Coke bottle to the side of the road. He lights a cigarette and looks up at the smog-choked sky.
Off in the distance, he hears a deep, heavy Thump.... Thump... Thump... mRRRRR!
The revving of a great Chainsword splits the night, as a furred orange giant with a magnificent mustache sprints towards him, weapons drawn.
"I SPEAK FOR THE TREES, AND THE TREES SAY F*CK YOU. FOR THE EMPRAH!"
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lmao look out boys, we've got a SCIENTIST on our hands
Seriously, you do know what relativity means, right? There are no privileged reference frames. So if an anomaly isn't fixed with respect to Earth's frame of reference, what frame of reference should it be latching onto?
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This is the one you're talking about:
Never having played Robot Unicorn Attack, some of that doesn't actually compute all that well for me, but I'm sure Aisha will be delighted to have a Robot Unicorn of her very own....
Edit: It mentions "other" rainbow creatures...could he make a rainbow robot dog that had the requirements that Bitch's power would work with it? And if he could, is there any reason he would or should?
Double Edit: How about rainbow robot hordes of Insects and Arachnids that Taylor's power could work with?
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Having extensively played that game:
Unicornium is the metal used to make Wishes, the eponymous Robot Unicorns. Robot Unicorns is a bit of a misnomer considering it includes Pegasi, Bicorns and... whatever an evil Pegasus is called. Nightwing?
Wishes have a bottomless well of power, never needing to stop, and they're nearly indestructible and able to pierce through any obstacle- so long as they're dashing. Otherwise they're quite fragile. They vary in speed, dash length, jump height, and flight duration.
Wishes reform after breaking with no consequence. This may be a property of Unicornium. They can also be upgraded with switchable parts quite easily.
So you have a near-indestructible flying siege weapon in horse form capable of running on rainbows which can never be destroyed, lost, or run out of power, and is designed to be improved upon.
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Don't forget with the volcano he can make unicornium as hard as red matter from EE
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When you take a look at Jack Slash's personality, I think it becomes clear what an engagement between the slaughterhouse 9 and Apeiron would be like. Jack likes to corrupt people, and make them break their own rules (like when bonesaw forces Amy to break her 'no brains' rule - bonesaw was groomed from childhood By Jack to be that way.) Joe happens to be a guy that has a lot of his own rules and personal hang-ups: avoiding wet-tinkering, don't slip into mindsets imposed on him by the Forge, etc.
So Jack Slash's victory condition in an engagement with Apeiron would be 'make Apeiron a Worse person'. I imagine that this would mean that he (and by extension S9) would be trying to create situations in which Joe has to wet-tinker, rely on inhuman mindsets, isn't able to save everyone, etc. To this end, there's inevitably a lot of bonesaw making fucked-up monster-creatures out of people, targeting Joe's loved ones, and probably a full S9-roster. Potentially something on the level of the Slaughterhouse 9000, even.
So yeah, the slaughterhouse 9 doesn't pose much of a physical threat to Joe, obviously (excepting the siberian). But the S9 was always going to be more of a mental-threat to Joe, if they ever decide to engage him.
In interlude 12.x, Jack demonstrates an understanding of the complexities of managing people in the way that he does. Yes, a lot of this comes from his social power, but it's clearly something that is worked into his mindset, likely from his years of manipulating people
So Jack Slash's victory condition in an engagement with Apeiron would be 'make Apeiron a Worse person'. I imagine that this would mean that he (and by extension S9) would be trying to create situations in which Joe has to wet-tinker, rely on inhuman mindsets, isn't able to save everyone, etc. To this end, there's inevitably a lot of bonesaw making fucked-up monster-creatures out of people, targeting Joe's loved ones, and probably a full S9-roster. Potentially something on the level of the Slaughterhouse 9000, even.
So yeah, the slaughterhouse 9 doesn't pose much of a physical threat to Joe, obviously (excepting the siberian). But the S9 was always going to be more of a mental-threat to Joe, if they ever decide to engage him.
I think that people like to discredit Jack's social skills after they find out that the broadcast shard does a lot of the heavy-lifting in his engagements with parahumans, but I like to imagine that Jack actually does have some amount of natural charisma. It seems unlikely to me that he could spend practically his entire life manipulating parahumans and others with the assistance of the broadcast shard and not pick up Some amount of social skills. The 'Jack doesn't lose to parahumans' part of his ability is obviously vital in his dealings with parahumans, but the social aspect of his power seems a lot more.. subtle. His power gives him points to manipulate, but he still has to have social skills to do so.
In interlude 12.x, Jack demonstrates an understanding of the complexities of managing people in the way that he does. Yes, a lot of this comes from his social power, but it's clearly something that is worked into his mindset, likely from his years of manipulating people
Moreover, this quote implies that manipulating parahumans is something that Can be difficult for him, implying that even with his power doing some serious heavy-lifting he still has some decent social skills backing him upinterlude 12.x said:
The point that I'm trying to make is that yeah, Jack Slash wouldn't be able to hold the S9 together without his power backing him up, but I hate the idea that if you took his power away from him he'd lose everything that makes him a threat. It's clear to me that through a lifetime of constantly practicing his social skills and murder skills he Must have acquired decent social skills and murder skills. His intuition wouldn't be able to carry him as far as it does in canon in regards to parahumans but I think he'd still be able to find a way to keep wreaking havoc upon the world. Also Jack Slash would never kill himself because doing so would make the world better and I don't think Jack could tolerate having that kind of impact.interlude 12.x said:
While overall Jack's death would probably improve the world, it might make Apeiron specifically sad, because he'll probably have put in a significant amount of effort to capture him alive in that situation, so I could see Jack going for it. I see your point about his social skills, and I agree that he could be a non-negligible threat even without powers. Thinking about it, the scenario in which he commits suicide after failing to reform the 9 is actually pretty unlikely, in large part because if he fails to reform it then his recruits will probably kill him.