My thought was that he'd have a set list of things he is definitely going to do, then leave the timing to the Schedule. So he might be crafting in his Workshop at that time, might be at the gym, might be helping Garment out
The thing is - when he's inside the Workshop, he's unpredictable. No one can say when he'll leave. So, that doesn't really matter if he leaves due to "Schedule" randomly said him that he need to go to the gym, or because he decided he want/need to go to the gym.
After he leaves, he can be predicted. So, that doesn't matter why he going to the gym - precogs can see that he goes to the gym.
Only one way to make it work is to set random amount of time for each activity that cannot be known before time is out. But that might and will cause troubles. And also doesn't fits in "household problems", imo.
This is assuredly not fanon. After Leviathan Flashbang suffered brain damage. Amy didn't heal it until forced into a corner by Bonesaw and the reaction to it was near betrayal at the fact that she could have healed him the entire time but wasn't. Amy is afraid of what she would do if she broke that restraint and given that she Mastered Vicky immediately after it was probably like holding back an impulse. Regardless, it was very clear that the belief was that it was a hard limitation rather than a choice.
You need to reread canon, because you are 100% wrong.
Vicky's Interlude said:
"How's the woman? Andrea?"
"Better than ever, physically," Amy replied, "I grew her new teeth, fixed everything from the bruising to the scrapes, and even gave her a head to toe tune-up. Physically, she'll feel on top of the world, like she had been to a spa and had the best nutritionist, best fitness expert and the best doctor all looking after her for a straight month."
"Good," Victoria said.
"Mentally? Emotionally? It's up to her to deal with the aftermath of a beating. I can't affect the brain."
"Well-" Victoria started to speak.
"Yeah, yeah. Not can't. Won't. It's complicated and I don't trust myself not to screw something up when I'm tampering with someone's head. That's it, that's all."
Victoria started to say something, then shut her mouth. Even if they weren't related by blood, they were sisters. Only sisters could have these sorts of recurring arguments. They had gone through a dozen different variations on this argument before. As far as she was concerned, Amy was doing herself a disservice by not practicing using her powers on the brain. It was only a matter of time before her sister found herself in a situation where she needed to do some emergency brain surgery and found herself incapable. Amy, for her part, refused to even discuss it.
Note that this conversation happened right in front of an injured but conscious gang member.
Edit: to clarify some, what you are mistaking for betrayal over hiding facts is betrayal over, as Vicky literally asks Amy later 'Why are you willing to heal dad now when you weren't before?' alongside the betrayal of knowing Amy could heal him, but refused to do so.
Furthermore, to use some additional examples, she outright threatens that same gang member with a whole mess of health problems, and she threatened Skitter with cancer in the bank, meaning that's a Thinker she just admitted being able to a lot more in front of.
There's also the fact that Riley, when she confronted Amy at her house, did not say anything about 'I know your secret'. Instead, that confrontation was all about making Amy break her rules — the same shit the Nine loves to do to people, IE force them into situations where they have no choice but to commit some act they see as amoral.
Heh, random citizen theorises resident technopath is Mastered, resident technopath slaps down random citizen via sock-puppet mod account, subtle death threat included. This is Gold
That's one way to interpret that...except Judge is a canon Moderator of PHO. But I like your idea better, so I'll act as if that was what I planned all along.
exactly, I thought what would be a suitably crazy theory that someone in story (such as void_cowboy) would think that is reasonably close to the truth but so far off because they don't have all the details, and it just wrote itself. the funny part is that the edit is an actual edit, where i thought of that addition five minutes later.
I wrote this due to posts by @johnjohn2195 and me (Revere) on the bcf-fake-quotes channel on The Celestial Forge discord. You will probably want to read the discord post afterward for some context. Quick Summary: Joe's shard tells him to search for Thomas Calvert, but there are multiple in Brockton Bay, and one of them is a florist.Also, there were also posts referencing that Joe X Garment would be an asexual relationship.
Bouquet
Returning home after a workout at the gym, I fished out my keys from my pocket. I unlocked the door to the apartment then stepped into the workshop. As I crossed the threshold, Garment pretty much assaults me, enclosing me in a tight hug. "Garment?", she holds my hands within hers and pulls me deeper into the workshop. "He- Hey! Garment! what's going on?". We approach a room I have never seen before. I rack my brain, trying to remember where it came from. I had not gotten any new abilities from the Celestial Forge while I was out. However, these thoughts were melted away as I saw what was inside.
A gradient, the entire inside of the room is a color gradient. The room was in hues of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and purple. It is like a rainbow has been transposed onto the walls in physical form. The colors ripple and shine towards the center. Vases were arranged in a half-circle facing the entrance door. There were at least a hundred placed onto stands. Each vase and the stand it sat upon were made of Garment's intricate fabrics, each with an ever-shifting surface design. The designs had only one constant, the hues from the rainbow that washed over them, adding another layer to the rainbow.
Garment approached the vases bending over the red hue vases touching the top of the vase, no what was inside of it. Then I saw it, no them, all of them. "Flowers," I spoke aloud. Roses, sunflowers, daffodils, orchids, lavender, lilies, among others, were placed in each vase. Garment ecstatically moved about tending to them. I could feel the emotions radiating off her. They were suffocating yet pleasant.
The flowers, I had Survey order for them for me based on the parahuman threat assessment I was given by my shard weeks ago. I wanted to check them for the low possibility of biotinkering or mastering. Survey had ordered one of every type and shade. She estimated that the parahuman would not be able to resist and would use his powers on the flowers with such a large order. The delivery must have come during my workout, and Garment must have answered the door. Garment, had she created all of this, but why?
I noticed a letter next to one of the vases. It must have come with the flowers. It simply read, "To: Garment From: Jozef." Survey, she must have filled it out in the order comments, as we were the only people with identities. Looking over, I saw Garment adding various workshop materials that would make the flowers bloom beautifully and, most importantly never wilt.
Garment pulled out nameplates. Oh my god! she was NAMING them! My shard was right this parahuman was a threat!!
I continued to watch Garment as she went about engraving and placing the nameplates continuing to radiate heartwarming emotion. I could not stop her, how could I? The updated threat assessment was crucial, but first, "Garment, which one is your favorite?"
I missed this the first time, but why use fanon about Panacea hiding her real power, she even says herself that she simply wouldn't do brains, but can affect them.
First things first, what exactly is the fanon we're addressing here? Who exactly is Panacea/Amy hiding her real power from?
Cause, if it's hiding it from literally everyone including Vicky then Interlude 2 debunks that fanon. The fanon in this instance being that Amy hid that her powers can affect brains and that her powers aren't just healing (it's biomanipulation). That she hid it from everyone including Vicky and didn't even want to talk about it. The image that's conjured is one where it was some kept-deep-in-her-heart secret that no one knew. Obviously, that is debunked because, at the very least, Vicky knew that she CAN affect brains and that her powers aren't just healing.
"Mentally? Emotionally? It's up to her to deal with the aftermath of a beating. I can't affect the brain."
"Well-" Victoria started to speak.
"Yeah, yeah. Not can't. Won't. It's complicated and I don't trust myself not to screw something up when I'm tampering with someone's head. That's it, that's all."
She grabbed him by the shirt collar, lifted him up and growled into his ear, her voice just above a whisper, "Try it. My sister just healed you… most of you, with a touch. Did you ever wonder what else she could do? Ever think, maybe, she could break you just as easily? Or change the color of your skin, you racist fuck? I'll tell you this, I'm not half as scary as my little sister is."
The heart of this discussion is on what Uppercrust stated here:
"It is remarkable how broadly the girl's powers can be applied. No arbitrary limitation in recovery or feedback constraints on her powers. A limitation on brains, and nothing else."
So this here rides on the belief that the public does not know that Panacea can affect brains, that the public believes she has "a limitation on brains and nothing else."
I get that qwer303 was talking about Amy's power use/capabilities in general and not just the brain thing, but let's focus on the brain thing since Uppercrust's lines are the part actually in the BCF story and the heart of this discussion.
So, the thing we're trying to answer is what does the public know about Amy/Panacea's powers? If the public believes Panacea's power had "a limitation on brains and nothing else" then that requires Amy to have hidden from the public that she could or presented to the public that she had such a limitation.
So are there any instances in Worm canon that clearly answer what the public knows about Panacea's powers or if Amy ever hid her ability to affect brains from the public? Any Word of God by Wildbow?
Edit: to clarify some, what you are mistaking for betrayal over hiding facts is betrayal over, as Vicky literally asks Amy later 'Why are you willing to heal dad now when you weren't before?' alongside the betrayal of knowing Amy could heal him, but refused to do so.
This is assuredly not fanon. After Leviathan Flashbang suffered brain damage. Amy didn't heal it until forced into a corner by Bonesaw and the reaction to it was near betrayal at the fact that she could have healed him the entire time but wasn't. Amy is afraid of what she would do if she broke that restraint and given that she Mastered Vicky immediately after it was probably like holding back an impulse. Regardless, it was very clear that the belief was that it was a hard limitation rather than a choice.
Correct me if I'm misunderstanding things. I'm gonna outline what I'm reading/getting from Lord's post and Ashkari's.
The fanon Lord is addressing here is on the public's knowledge/belief of Panacea's powers. Again, Uppercrust's line.
"This is assuredly not fanon." refers to the public (represented by Uppercrust here) believing that Panacea has "a limitation on brains and nothing else."
"the reaction to it was near betrayal at the fact that she could have healed him the entire time but wasn't."
So the here reaction was Vicky's.
Like Ashkari quoted it was the 'Why are you willing to heal dad now when you weren't before?' reaction.
Specifically, it was:
"I was just at the house. I don't even know what to say," Victoria spoke.
"Pretty self-explanatory. One of the Nine came, house got trashed, I healed Mark."
"Why? Why heal dad now, when you couldn't before?"
"I only did it because I had to."
"That's what I don't get. Why couldn't you? You've never explained."
"I can't tell you."
"So that's it? No explanations? You just up and leave?" Victoria asked.
"Yeah."
"Why?"
Amy looked away.
"Regardless, it was very clear that the belief was that it was a hard limitation rather than a choice."
What I'm getting from this is that Lord is focused on the limitation vs choice part. The reason Lord was pointing at the reaction to "that the fact that she could have healed him the entire time but wasn't." was because Amy gave Victoria the impression that there was some actual limitation or difficulty in Amy's power which made Amy not want to do brains. Vicky knew Amy CAN affect brains but for some reason WON'T and that reason had to do with some limitation with her power.
"Mentally? Emotionally? It's up to her to deal with the aftermath of a beating. I can't affect the brain."
"Well-" Victoria started to speak.
"Yeah, yeah. Not can't. Won't. It's complicated and I don't trust myself not to screw something up when I'm tampering with someone's head. That's it, that's all."
Victoria started to say something, then shut her mouth. Even if they weren't related by blood, they were sisters. Only sisters could have these sorts of recurring arguments. They had gone through a dozen different variations on this argument before. As far as she was concerned, Amy was doing herself a disservice by not practicing using her powers on the brain. It was only a matter of time before her sister found herself in a situation where she needed to do some emergency brain surgery and found herself incapable. Amy, for her part, refused to even discuss it.
From Interlude 2, the reasoning that Amy conveyed was that she didn't trust herself to tamper with the brain without screwing something up. From Interlude 11h, Amy never explained to Vicky actually why or in detail why. Also from Interlude 2, the impression Vicky had was that Amy just had to practice using her powers on the brain. This means Vicky was under the impression that there was some sort of difficulty in the power in affecting the brain or that there's a control/skill/experience problem.
"what you are mistaking for betrayal over hiding facts is..."
From what I'm getting at from Lord's post is that the reaction of near-betrayal wasn't from hiding that she could do brains all along (as in Vicky thought Amy's power couldn't affect brains period), but instead, that it always has been "just" a choice. That there wasn't any difficulty or complication power-wise. That healing Mark's brain damage was totally doable, within her ability/skills, and easily done.
Again, I don't see these as anything that explicitly or definitively answers what the public knew.
So Lord seems to be saying that if even Vicky was under the impression that Amy was under some sort of limitation then it's reasonable to assume that the public would also be under the impression that there was some sort of limitation.
"It is remarkable how broadly the girl's powers can be applied. No arbitrary limitation in recovery or feedback constraints on her powers. A limitation on brains, and nothing else.
So the question then gets narrowed down to exactly what was the limitation? What was it that Uppercrust believed/was referring to?
Was the limitation that Panacea can't affect the brains period or was he referring to "arbitrary limitation in recovery or feedback constraints on her powers"? If it was feedback constraints what does that mean exactly? That she gets no feedback period and therefore can't scan/see/affect the brain? Or that the feedback was poor/jumbled/weak/confusing and therefore it was dangerous to use her powers on the brain?
Sorry, but I got to be really pedantic about this.
It was Vicky that threatened the gang member. Vicky threatens that Amy can break him and can change his skin color and that was it. The only threat that Amy made was that she'd not heal his injury including not healing the erectile dysfunction that would result from the supposed fractured ninth vertebra.
"That's her name in costume. Normally she's Carol Dallon. She'd kick your ass in court, believe me," Victoria said. She believed it. What the thug didn't understand was that even if he lost the case, the media circus that would be stirred up would do more damage than anything else. But she didn't need to inform him of that. She asked him, "So do I get my sister to leave you as you are, or are you willing to trade some information for relief from months of incredible pain and a lifetime of arthritis and stiffness in your bones?"
"And erectile dysfunction," Amy said, just loud enough for the thug to hear her, "You fractured your ninth vertebra. That's going to affect all nerve function in extremities below your waist. If I leave you like you are, your toes will always feel a little numb, and you'll have a hell of a time getting it up, if you know what I mean."
The skinhead's eyes widened a fraction, "You're fucking with me."
"I have an honorary medical license," Amy told him, her expression solemn, "I'm not allowed to fuck with you about stuff like that. Hippocratic oath."
"Isn't that 'do no harm'?" the thug asked. Then he groaned, long, loud and with the slightest rattle in his breath, as she removed her hand from his body.
"That's just the first part of it, like how freedom of speech and the right to bear arms is just the first part of a very long constitution. It doesn't look like he's cooperating, Glory Girl. Should we go?"
"Fuck!" the man shouted, then winced, tenderly touching his side with one hand, "I'll tell you. Please, just… do what you were doing. Touch me and make the pain go away, put me back together. Fix me?"
"Hey!" the skinhead shouted, "The deal was you'd fix me if I talked! Did you fix my cock?" He tried to struggle to get to his feet, but his legs buckled under him, "Hey! I can't fuckin' walk! I'll fucking sue you!"
Victoria's expression changed in an instant, and her power flooded out, blindsiding the thug. For an instant, his eyes were like those of a panicked horse, all whites, rolling around, unfocused. She grabbed him by the shirt collar, lifted him up and growled into his ear, her voice just above a whisper, "Try it. My sister just healed you… most of you, with a touch. Did you ever wonder what else she could do? Ever think, maybe, she could break you just as easily? Or change the color of your skin, you racist fuck? I'll tell you this, I'm not half as scary as my little sister is."
Also, I don't think pointing to the gang member possibly hearing their talk actually answers what Panacea tells the public, if she actually hides her ability to affect brains from the public, or answers what the public knows.
For one, this is someone Vicky sent a dumpster flying at and then had Amy heal to cover up what happened. Specifically, she had Amy heal him because "He goes to the hospital, people ask questions." and "This isn't, like, me getting grounded. I'd get pulled into court on charges of aggravated assault and battery. That doesn't just fuck with me. It fucks with our family, all of New Wave. Everything we've struggled to build." They're focused on covering it up. They're also teenage girls arguing and less worried/aware about slip-ups in their speech to an injured person especially since there are more important things going on.
Second, they threatened him to keep silent about the incident. They dissuade him from saying anything or suing by bringing up lawyer Carol and threaten him via Panacea not healing him/breaking him/changing his skin color. There was also the slight mod/trick Amy did to him. I know that the intention might have just been as revenge/punishment/to mess with the racist. But, the feeling of numbness could act as a reminder so that their threat/warning/the fear to keep silent sticks with him.
"Ready to answer my questions, or do me and my sister just walk away and leave you like this?"
"I… sue you, he gasped out, then managed an added, "Whore."
"Try it. I'd just love to see a skinhead with a few broken bones go up against a superheroine whose mom just happens to be one of the best lawyers in Brockton Bay. You know her, right?"
"Brandish," he said.
"That's her name in costume. Normally she's Carol Dallon. She'd kick your ass in court, believe me," Victoria said. She believed it. What the thug didn't understand was that even if he lost the case, the media circus that would be stirred up would do more damage than anything else. But she didn't need to inform him of that. She asked him, "So do I get my sister to leave you as you are, or are you willing to trade some information for relief from months of incredible pain and a lifetime of arthritis and stiffness in your bones?"
"And erectile dysfunction," Amy said, just loud enough for the thug to hear her, "You fractured your ninth vertebra. That's going to affect all nerve function in extremities below your waist. If I leave you like you are, your toes will always feel a little numb, and you'll have a hell of a time getting it up, if you know what I mean."
"Come on, Panacea," Victoria said as she stood up, touched ground with her boots and brushed her skirt straight, "We've gotten enough."
"You sure? I'm not done yet," Amy told her.
"You fixed the bruises and scrapes, broken bones?" Everything that could get her in trouble, in other words.
"Yeah, but I didn't fix everything," Amy replied.
"Good enough," Victoria decided.
"Hey!" the skinhead shouted, "The deal was you'd fix me if I talked! Did you fix my cock?" He tried to struggle to get to his feet, but his legs buckled under him, "Hey! I can't fuckin' walk! I'll fucking sue you!"
Victoria's expression changed in an instant, and her power flooded out, blindsiding the thug. For an instant, his eyes were like those of a panicked horse, all whites, rolling around, unfocused. She grabbed him by the shirt collar, lifted him up and growled into his ear, her voice just above a whisper, "Try it. My sister just healed you… most of you, with a touch. Did you ever wonder what else she could do? Ever think, maybe, she could break you just as easily? Or change the color of your skin, you racist fuck? I'll tell you this, I'm not half as scary as my little sister is."
She let him go. He collapsed in a heap on the ground.
"I'll be good. I'll be better," Victoria promised as she dialed with one hand. She put the phone to her ear, "Hello? Emergency services? Requesting special line. New Wave, Glory Girl. Incapacitated criminal for you to pick up, no powers. No, no rush, I can hold."
Looking over her shoulder, Victoria noted the thug, still floundering and half-crawling, "He's not going to get up?"
"He'll be numb from the waist down for another three hours. His left arm will be iffy for about that long, too, so he's not going to move unless he can drag himself somewhere with just one limb. He'll also have numb toes for a good month or so, too," Amy smiled.
"You didn't actually…"
"No. Nothing was broken, and I didn't screw up anything, beyond a temporary numbness. But he doesn't know that. Fear and doubt will complete the effect, and the suggestion becomes a self fulfilling prophecy."
"Amy!" Victoria laughed, hugging her sister with one arm, "Weren't you just saying you weren't going to mess with people's heads?"
Third, he was a fairly low-ranking gang member of the E88 or at least someone who was buddy-buddy enough to have that level of insider info. He was also the kind of person to beat up a black college student and watch her get picked up by paramedics while looking on with glee. Who is the public gonna trust more? I don't think his words are enough to get people to believe that Panacea lied to them and could do brains all along (assuming that is the type/degree of limitation the public believed).
The man was a twenty something Caucasian with a shaved head, a dress shirt with the sleeves rolled up, jeans and work boots. He took one look at her and bolted.
Victoria grinned as he disappeared down the far end of the alley. She rose from her kneeling position, dusted herself off and ran her fingers through her hair to tidy it. Then she raised herself a foot off the ground and flew after him at an easy forty five miles an hour.
It didn't take a minute to catch him, even with the head start she had given him. She flew just past him, grazing him. An instant later, she came to a dead stop, facing him. Again, the wind made for a dramatic flourish as it stirred her hair, her cape and the skirt of her costume.
"The woman you attacked was named Andrea Young," she spoke.
The man looked over his shoulder, as if gauging his escape routes.
"Don't even think about it, fugly," she told him, "You know I'd catch you, and trust me, I'm already pissed off enough without you wasting my time."
"I didn't do anything," the man snarled.
"Andrea Young!" Victoria raised her voice. As she shouted, she exercised her power. The man quailed as though she'd slapped him. "A black college student was beaten so badly she needed medical attention! Her teeth were knocked out! You're trying to tell me that you, a skinhead with swollen knuckles, someone who was in the crowd watching paramedics arrive with an expression bordering on glee, you didn't do anything!?"
"I didn't do nothing worth caring about," he sneered. His bravado was tempered by a second look over his shoulder, as though he'd very much like to be elsewhere right that moment.
"Fuck!" the man shouted, then winced, tenderly touching his side with one hand, "I'll tell you. Please, just… do what you were doing. Touch me and make the pain go away, put me back together. Fix me?"
Amy touched him. He relaxed, and then he started talking.
"Empire Eighty-Eight is extending into the Docks on Kaiser's orders. Lung's in custody, and whatever happens, the ABB is weaker than it was. That means there's territory for grabs, and the Empire sure ain't making progress downtown."
"Why not?" Victoria asked him.
"This guy, Coil. Don't know what his powers are, but he's got a private army. Ex-military, all of 'em. At least fifty, Kaiser said, and every one of 'em has top notch gear. Their armor's better than kevlar. You shoot 'em, they're back up in a few seconds. 'Least when you shoot a pig, you can be pretty sure you broke a few ribs. But that's not the fucked up thing. These guys? They've got these lasers hooked up to the machine guns they carry around. If they don't think bullets are doing it, or if they're after people who are behind cover, they fire off these purple laser beams that can cut through steel. Tear through any cover you're standing behind and burn through you too."
"Yeah. I know about him. His methods get expensive," Victoria said, "Top of the line soldiers, top of the line gear."
The thug nodded weakly, "But even with money to burn, he's fighting us over Downtown territories. Constant tug of war, neither of us making much headway. Been going on for months. So Kaiser thinks we should take the Docks now that the ABB are on the outs, gain some ground somewhere easier. Don't know any more than that, as far as his plans."
"Who else is up to something? Faultline?"
"The bitch with the freaks in her crew? She's a mercenary, different goals. But maybe. If she wanted to branch out, now would be the time to do it. With her rep, she'd even do alright."
"Then who? There's a power vacuum in the docks. Kaiser's declared he wants to seize it, but I'm willing to bet he's warned you about others making a play."
The skinhead laughed, then winced, "Are you dense, girl? Everyone's going to make a play. It's not just the major gangs and teams that are looking for a slice of the pie, there. It's everyone. The Docks are ripe for the taking. The location's worth as much money as you'd get downtown. It's the go to place if you want to buy black market. Sex, drugs, violence. And the locals are already used to paying protection money. It's just a matter of changing who they pay to. The Docks are rich territory, and we're talking the potential for a full scale fucking war over it."
He looked up at the blond superheroine and laughed. Her lips set into a firm line.
He continued, "You want to know my guess? Empire Eighty Eight is going to take the biggest slice of the Docks, because we're strong enough to. Coil's going to stick his thumb in just to spite us, ABB is going to hold on to some. But you're also going to have a bunch of the little guys trying to take something for themselves. Über and Leet, Circus, the Undersiders, Squealer, Trainwreck, Stain, others you've never heard of? They're going to stake out their ground, and one of two things is going to happen. Either there's war, in which case civilians get hurt and things get bad for you, or there's alliances between the various teams and solo villains and shit gets even worse for you."
He broke into laughter yet again.
Fourth, this is getting even more nitpicky so I apologize, but I still feel like it should be brought up. While the gang member was conscious, he was still in a pretty bad state. He was unconscious five minutes ago and he could only get a few words out before Amy healed him. Even then Amy wasn't completely done with the healing since it takes time. I'm not saying he didn't hear them, I'm just saying that it could be argued that he wasn't paying too much attention to their conversation or was too focused on his own condition to really care, hear clearly, or remember the details.
"Hey sis? Yeah, I found him. That's, uh, sort of the problem. Yeah. Look, I'm sorr- ok, can we talk about this later? Yeah. I'm at Spayder and Rock, there's this little road that runs behind the buildings. Downtownish, yeah. Yeah? Thanks."
Victoria returned to the unconscious skinhead, checked his pulse, and listened intently for changes in his breathing. It took a very long five minutes for her sister to arrive.
"Again, Victoria?" the voice disturbed her from her contemplations.
[...]
"Look, can you just fix him?" Victoria pleaded.
"I'm thinking I shouldn't," Amy said, quietly.
"What?"
"There's consequences, Vicky. If I help you now, what's going to stop you from doing it again? I can call the paramedics. I know some good people from the hospital. They could probably fix him up alright."
"Hey, hey, hey," Victoria said, "That's not funny. He goes to the hospital, people ask questions."
"Yeah, I'm well aware," Amy said, her voice hushed.
"This isn't, like, me getting grounded. I'd get pulled into court on charges of aggravated assault and battery. That doesn't just fuck with me. It fucks with our family, all of New Wave. Everything we've struggled to build."
Amy frowned and looked at the fallen man..
"I know you're not keen on the superhero thing, but you'd really go that far? You'd do that to us? To me?"
Amy pointed a finger at her sister, "That's not me. It's not my fault we're at this point. It's you. You're crossing the line, going too far. Which is exactly what people who criticize New Wave are scared of. We're not government sponsored. We're not protected or organized or regulated in the same way. Everyone knows who we are under our masks. That means we have to be accountable. The responsible thing for me to do, as a member of this team, is to let the paramedics take him, and let the law do as it sees fit."
Victoria abruptly pulled Amy into a hug. Amy resisted for a moment, then let her arms go limp at her sides.
"This isn't just a team, Ames," Victoria told her, "We're a family. We're your family."
The man lying just a matter of feet away stirred, then groaned, long and loud.
"My adoptive family," Amy mumbled into Victoria's shoulder, "And stop trying to use your frigging power to make me all squee over how amazing you are. Doesn't work. I've been exposed so long I'm immune."
"It hurts," the man moaned.
"I'm not using my power, dumbass," Victoria told Amy, letting her go, "I'm hugging my sister. My awesome, caring and merciful sister."
The man whined, louder, "I can't move. I feel cold."
Amy frowned at Victoria, "I'll heal him. But this is the last time."
Victoria beamed, "Thank you."
Amy leaned over the man and touched her hand to his cheek, "Slingshot break to his ribs, fractured clavicle, broken mandible, broken scapula, fractured sternum, bruised lung, broken ulna, broken radius -"
"I get the point," Victoria said.
"Do you?" Amy asked. Then she sighed, "I wasn't even halfway down the list. This is going to take a little while. Sit?"
Victoria crossed her legs and assumed a sitting position, floating a half foot above the ground. Amy just knelt where she was and rested her hand on the man's cheek. The tension went out of his body and he relaxed.
"How's the woman? Andrea?"
"Better than ever, physically," Amy replied, "I grew her new teeth, fixed everything from the bruising to the scrapes, and even gave her a head to toe tune-up. Physically, she'll feel on top of the world, like she had been to a spa and had the best nutritionist, best fitness expert and the best doctor all looking after her for a straight month."
"Good," Victoria said.
"Mentally? Emotionally? It's up to her to deal with the aftermath of a beating. I can't affect the brain."
"Well-" Victoria started to speak.
"Yeah, yeah. Not can't. Won't. It's complicated and I don't trust myself not to screw something up when I'm tampering with someone's head. That's it, that's all."
Victoria started to say something, then shut her mouth. Even if they weren't related by blood, they were sisters. Only sisters could have these sorts of recurring arguments. They had gone through a dozen different variations on this argument before. As far as she was concerned, Amy was doing herself a disservice by not practicing using her powers on the brain. It was only a matter of time before her sister found herself in a situation where she needed to do some emergency brain surgery and found herself incapable. Amy, for her part, refused to even discuss it.
She didn't want to raise a sensitive issue when Amy was in the process of doing her a major favor. To change the subject, Victoria asked, "Is it cool if I question him?"
"Might as well," Amy sighed.
Victoria tapped the man a few times on the forehead to get his attention. He could barely move his head, but his eyes lolled in her direction.
There's also this really minor detail which could not mean much, but I feel like should still be brought up: "And erectile dysfunction," Amy said, just loud enough for the thug to hear her..." So yeah, they could have had the conversation a bit quietly/hushed. Obviously, Amy would still be beside him in order to heal him and so could still be in hearing range, but assuming they weren't very loud when talking, their conversation might have been hushed enough that they weren't worried about an injured person hearing since he'd be still dazed especially when they needed to tap his forehead to get his attention and "He could barely move his head, but his eyes lolled in her direction."
Glory Girl stepped towards me, and I scrambled for Panacea. She scrabbled for a grip at my costume, trying to grab at my glove, then at my mask, but the moment I drew my knife, both she and Glory Girl went absolutely still. I grabbed Panacea's chin and maneuvered so I was standing behind her, my knife pressed to her throat.
"Count yourself lucky, bug bitch, that your costume covers your entire body," Panacea murmured to me, "Or I'd maybe give you a heart attack. Or cancer."
I swallowed hard. I wasn't counting myself as particularly lucky at this point.
"It seems we have a stalemate," Glory Girl said.
"True," I replied.
"So are we just going to stand around here until reinforcements arrive for one side or the other, tip the scales in someone's favor?"
"I could live with that. Last I saw, my side was winning."
"I helped Aegis out of a jam on my way in, so he's keeping your little friends busy. You should also know that the Protectorate is on their way from a wine and dine with Brockton Bay's finest at the Augustus Country Club. Can't speak for them, but I know I'd be royally pissed if some little snots dragged me away from a chance to have the club's chocolate mousse."
Panacea made a little laugh, "It is good, isn't it?" then in a lower voice, she whispered to me, "What if I fucked up your taste buds, you little terrorist? You threaten the lives of innocents, I can go that far. I can do anything with your biology. Make everything you eat taste like bile. Or maybe I'll just make you fat. Morbidly, disgustingly fat."
I mean, like with the Vicky stuff and the gang member stuff, that is not evidence that the public knows she can affect brains. Also, just to be clear, I get you're more focused on the whole "keep absolutely a secret" part of fanon and the "powers aren't just healing" part. I'm just focusing on the public, brain, and Uppercrust thing.
It was a high tension situation where she was taken as a hostage. And the only thing it really revealed was that Amy was willing to talk about how she could give someone a heart attack, cancer, affect their weight, or change their taste buds. There was nothing about the brain. The part about the brain would have been in how Amy had affected Taylor's bugs and put up that jamming field. Which in the BCF Amy Interlude, Joe could have used/did use to deduce that she could affect brains. Gonna get back to that in a moment.
So either she was comfortable enough to reveal her biomancy (more than healing) because that info was already out there in some capacity (even if it was just suspicion from cape geeks or experts that know no power is truly healing) and/or she only revealed it cause she was in an extreme and high-tension/high-stress situation where she had a knife to her throat. There was also the point where she didn't actually reveal anything about tempering with brains. She was threatening the heart, taste buds, cell growth, and body fat.
Even then, it's like with the gang member. Who exactly are the public gonna trust? A bunch of bank-robbing capes who takes civilians as hostages including the beloved Panacea? Also, it's stupid to listen to a villain Thinker.
It's safe to assume that the biomancy either was known publicly even if it was obscure/not common knowledge or that Amy wasn't that worried or worried at the moment that they'd reveal that tid-bit to the public especially since she didn't give anything away about affecting brains, nothing contrary to her can't do brains impression/narrative.
Going back to BCF canon. Lord seems to be going with the idea that the public belief is that Panacea can't affect brains.
"I mean disrupting the control of a master like that could have put everyone at risk. So either you had complete understanding of the feedback between her and the spiders neural systems that allowed you to block direct commands without defaulting the creatures back to their base instincts, or you warped them to throw out a jamming field and hoped you didn't end up with dozens of lethal bites from the feedback."
Amy put up a front of indignity, but inside she was sweating. She had felt out the brains of those black widows. She'd felt the way they were being controlled and, though it had taken some time she'd been able to create feedback that blocked new orders and information without letting the other spiders run free. Vicky didn't pick up on what that meant, but he did. So the only two explanations were that she had no regard for the lives of the public or that she's been lying about not being able to affect brains. Damn it, she hated dealing with thinkers. Except this wasn't some secret that had been dug out from the depths of her soul, it was basic logic that anyone with insider knowledge of the attack could put together.
So far, from the Vicky Interlude and the bank robbery chapter, nothing has pointed towards or has clearly outlined in canon what the exact limitation of Panacea is publicly believed to be. It's a fairly safe interpretation or idea that Panacea has led the public to believe she has a limitation on brains. Even to the degree of saying that she can't affect brains. It's also a reasonable explanation that Vicky knows that she CAN affect brains because they're sisters and even then Vicky thinks there is a limitation to the degree it's something she thinks Amy needs to practice to deal with. All evidence so far doesn't invalidate or disprove Lord's stance/interpretation/take.
There's also the fact that Riley, when she confronted Amy at her house, did not say anything about 'I know your secret'. Instead, that confrontation was all about making Amy break her rules — the same shit the Nine loves to do to people, IE force them into situations where they have no choice but to commit some act they see as amoral.
"There's also the fact that Riley, when she confronted Amy at her house, did not say anything about 'I know your secret'."
I get what you're getting at but Riley doesn't necessarily need to be so obvious and on the nose in order to support the idea that Amy kept her ability to affect brains a secret from the public.
"Instead, that confrontation was all about making Amy break her rules"
The confrontation was about breaking Amy's limitation, about getting past her mental block. Not some personal rule (known to the public). It was about pushing her Shard's power via a stressful situation in order for the shard to loosen the protection. It's why Bonesaw was talking about shards, triggers, protections, etc.
"Or maybe I need to figure out your breaking point. Your weak spot. Like that man there." Bonesaw pointed at Mark. "Cherish said you sleep here, and you've been around him for a while… so why haven't you healed him?"
Amy shivered.
"Who is he?"
"My dad."
"Why not fix your dad?"
"My power doesn't work on brains," Amy lied.
"You're wrong," Bonesaw said, stepping closer.
"No."
"Yes. Your power can affect people's brains. You have to understand, I've taken twenty or thirty people apart to figure out how their power works so I can put them back together again the way I want them. I've learned almost everything about powers. I've induced stress of all kinds on people until they had a trigger event, while I had them on my table and wired to computers, so I could record all the details and study their brains and bodies as the powers took hold."
Twenty or thirty people she's taken apart. However many others she's tortured to death.
Bonesaw smiled, "And I know the secrets. I know where powers come from. I know how they work. I know how your power works. You have to understand, people like you and me? Who got our powers in moments of critical stress? The powers aren't meant for us. They're accidents. We're accidents. And I think you could see it if you were touching someone when they had their trigger event."
"I don't understand."
"You don't have to. What you need to know is that the subjects of our power, the stuff it can work on, like people? Like the fish lady in Asia? The boy who can talk to computers? Our powers weren't created to work with those things. With people or fish or computers. It's not intentional. It happens because the powers connect to us in the moments we have our trigger events, decrypt our brains and search for something in the world that they can connect to, that loosely correlate with how the powers were originally supposed to work. In those one to eight seconds it takes our powers to work, our power goes into overdrive, it picks up all the necessary details about those things, like people or fish or computers, sometimes reaching across the whole world to do it. Then it starts condensing down until there's a powerset, stripping away everything it doesn't need to make that power work."
Amy stared.
"And then, before it can destroy us, before we can hurt ourselves with our own power, before that spark of potential burns out, it changes gears. It figures out how to function with us. It protects us from all the ways our power might hurt us, that we can anticipate, because there's no point if it kills us. It connects with our emotional state at the time the powers came together, because that's the context it builds everything else in. It's so amazingly complicated and beautiful."
Bonesaw looked down at Amy. "Your inability to affect brains? It's one of those protections. A mental block. I can help you break it."
"I don't want to break it," Amy said, her voice hushed.
"Ahhh. Well, that just makes me more excited to see how you react when you do. See, all we have to do is get you to that point of peak stress. Your power will be stronger, and you'll be able to push past that mental block. Probably."
"Please," Amy said. "Don't."
Bonesaw reached into her apron and retrieved a remote control. She pointed it at Mark, where he sat on the couch. A red dot appeared on his forehead.
"No!"
If anything, Riley was under the impression that Amy had a limitation that needs to be overcome by getting her to the "point of peak stress" which then would make her power stronger and allow her to get past her mental block.
"My power doesn't work on brains," Amy lied.
This part also can be read as the default lie she tells other people. The reasoning she gives the public or patients.
Lord's point was about limitation vs choice. The choice part meant that the reasoning behind why Amy didn't use her power on brains was entirely due to choice. It was her choice. She could affect brains fine. Obviously, she had good reasoning behind why she didn't heal brains, she didn't want to cross that line and feared what crossing that line could result in. Her fears were made correct during that exact same Interlude when she used her power on Vicky. Still, Amy's decision for not healing brains wasn't some restriction or flaw in her power or the feedback she got that would have made healing the brain impossible, ineffective, or dangerous, it was her fear and her own choice. That's what I believe Lord is getting at. That she led the public to believe it was a limitation, not a choice. Her excuse/justification/reasoning/impression to the public wasn't that she could but just didn't want to (like with her healing requests), but that she had a reason based on some limitation of her power. And based on the line from the canon Bonesaw visit and in the case of BCF canon from the Amy Interlude, that limitation was that she couldn't affect brains.
When it comes down to it, the canon points being brought up don't actually directly or decisively address the question of what does the public knows about or thinks they know about Panacea's powers and limitations. None really counter Lord's take. If anything they support it. Are there any actual points in canon or any WoG that actually address this? Any more besides the ones so far?
@LordRoustabout what happened to the quarter jar? It hasn't been mentioned a while. Was the situation so overwhelming he forgot about it? Because I am sure survey would be more than happy to tally for him how much he needs to add from the stuff he said verbally, though his thoughts he will need to recall.
Though I guess the quarter jar is counter productive when it comes to growing Spiral energy. You are who you are, just accept it and move forward.
@LordRoustabout what happened to the quarter jar? It hasn't been mentioned a while. Was the situation so overwhelming he forgot about it? Because I am sure survey would be more than happy to tally for him how much he needs to add from the stuff he said verbally, though his thoughts he will need to recall.
Though I guess the quarter jar is counter productive when it comes to growing Spiral energy. You are who you are, just accept it and move forward.
Oh contrare my good friend! This is where the quarter jar will become most important! "I just thought of me in a disparanging way, that isn't healthy for my mind set to use my powers." *drops a quarter in the jar*
@LordRoustabout what happened to the quarter jar? It hasn't been mentioned a while. Was the situation so overwhelming he forgot about it? Because I am sure survey would be more than happy to tally for him how much he needs to add from the stuff he said verbally, though his thoughts he will need to recall.
Though I guess the quarter jar is counter productive when it comes to growing Spiral energy. You are who you are, just accept it and move forward.
The last mention of the quarter jar was during 36 Debrief:
I fully admit I had gotten careless about internet access. When you look at human systems with the perspective of a space robot it's easy to underestimate them.
That's a quarter, but I had bigger problems than my mindset at the moment.
That was Wednesday. Thursday was the ABB fight. It's now Friday early morning. The jar hasn't been mentioned because a lot has happened since Wednesday and because it's been multiple chapters and months in out of story time since Debrief.
There also hasn't been any instance since Debrief that really requires a quarter to the jar. The jar is for whenever Joe falls back to one of the mindsets imposed on him by the Forge. That's often the inhuman robot mindset from the Transformer perk, the one that caused him to call stuff "human crap." However, it can also be when he falls into the trained, blooded soldier mindset too much or in instances like when he had the idea of putting implants into the Undersiders' head because he found on the field communication and coordination difficult.
Whenever he works towards Spiral wouldn't really be something he'd need to put a quarter in for especially since it'd be better for his mental health. It be more like Flufferton's idea which would definitely fit the jar. It'd also compliment nicely with the stick everyone will use whenever Joe starts to get down on himself.
I'm curious what the rule is for the jar when it comes to the duplicates. I don't think we ever got an answer to that.
24 Tech Work
I nodded to the second duplicate. It would mean we could finally move away from slightly upgraded human crap.
Suddenly all three of our heads shot up at once. A quick glance confirmed we'd basically all had the same thought.
"So..." The first duplicate started. "Does that count as three quarters, or just one?"
I'm also curious what Joe plans to do with the jar and money. Is it a "do normal human things" budget? As in the amount of money he'd spend on a dedicated/forced day of doing mundane stuff like going to the movies, eating out, shopping, etc? Or is it an amount that the crew can decide how will be used? Or something where Joe is forced to do something involving stuff the crew used the money on like Garment using the amount to make a Joe only fashion runway show?
Oh contrare my good friend! This is where the quarter jar will become most important! "I just thought of me in a disparanging way, that isn't healthy for my mind set to use my powers." *drops a quarter in the jar*
Whenever he works towards Spiral wouldn't really be something he'd need to put a quarter in for especially since it'd be better for his mental health. It be more like Flufferton's idea which would definitely fit the jar. It'd also compliment nicely with the stick everyone will use whenever Joe starts to get down on himself.
What I meant is that instead of worrying about (work against) a change in mentality he should just roll with it an accept it for what it is, something outside his control. Since it's counterproductive to growing spiral energy.
What I meant is that instead of worrying about (work against) a change in mentality he should just roll with it an accept it for what it is, something outside his control. Since it's counterproductive to growing spiral energy.
Oh, yeah. I agree with the spirit of that especially when it comes to Spiral. My worry is on perks like Arch Magos or Hard Science or Chosen of Death. So far, the mentalities and memories Joe has gotten are pretty tame in comparison to some of the ones still in the Forge.
Oh, yeah. I agree with the spirit of that especially when it comes to Spiral. My worry is on perks like Arch Magos or Hard Science or Chosen of Death. So far, the mentalities and memories Joe has gotten are pretty tame in comparison to some of the ones still in the Forge.
That's true. That I am sad that the darksiders perk is not on the list, since depending your choice maker's prodigy would allow him to live through the process of learning for the makers like with the Fae, or have a lot of memories from working with them.
Arch Magos is probably the one that will negatively affect him the most, since he is almost guaranteed to have memories of making servetors.
Now I know this is off topic but hear me out; so Grue's power is basically shadows that are a deadzone to everyone else but him. Know who would have been perfect for those powers? BATMAN. Imagine just how much more terrifying he would be.
Now I know this is off topic but hear me out; so Grue's power is basically shadows that are a deadzone to everyone else but him. Know who would have been perfect for those powers? BATMAN. Imagine just how much more terrifying he would be.
Actually there's a fic that basically turns Grue into Batman, it kinda fuse DC and Worm a bit, and that version of Grue is from two years before canon, so is a Grue that recently trigger and didn't went villain.
Actually there's a fic that basically turns Grue into Batman, it kinda fuse DC and Worm a bit, and that version of Grue is from two years before canon, so is a Grue that recently trigger and didn't went villain.
Someone on the CF server reminded me of this BCF quote and I rofl'd
Chapter 40: 34 Little Talks - Addendum Ethan
"Taylor," I tried to keep my voice level. "I'm really, really sure that whatever you are thinking about, this isn't it. I can't exactly explain the scale of this, not without getting really deep into how my power works, but I can pretty much assure you it's bigger than whatever you are thinking of."
I watched in horror as the girl shook her head in complete confidence. "Look, I can't talk about it. If it's as important as you say then I need to keep the information secure."
"No, you don't." I was practically shouting. "Taylor, if this is anything like what I think it is you need to tell me. And once again, I don't think we're talking about the same thing."
"I really can't tell you." She assured me in an infuriatingly calm tone. "And how can you be so sure this isn't it?"
Because you aren't screaming and weeping on the floor? Because the shear existential dread at the scope of the future of all existence resting on your actions hasn't crushed your spirit and mind? Because there is no way I can conceive of whatever you are dealing with having the fate of the cosmos in the balance?
"Because I'm pretty sure." Was the best I could manage.
She just smiled softly while I swore I could feel an ulcer form in my stomach, despite the fact that my entire gastrointestinal system was reinforced with magical adamantium mithril. "So am I. You can trust me."
I swear I would have bitten off my tongue if not for the aforementioned reinforcement. The Dragon's Pulse let me feel the calm, the reassurance she was under. That was not the reaction a sane person would have to a threat of this scale. Whatever she was dealing with it was nowhere near the fate of the world.
In the the thread, I have heard talk of a perk called "Armsmaster," which basically gives you a souped up version of Armsmaster's power. Can someone direct me to the place that perk came from? I have been researching it, but the Celestial Forge is so damn big I can't find anything!
In the the thread, I have heard talk of a perk called "Armsmaster," which basically gives you a souped up version of Armsmaster's power. Can someone direct me to the place that perk came from? I have been researching it, but the Celestial Forge is so damn big I can't find anything!
In the the thread, I have heard talk of a perk called "Armsmaster," which basically gives you a souped up version of Armsmaster's power. Can someone direct me to the place that perk came from? I have been researching it, but the Celestial Forge is so damn big I can't find anything!
Its from the Worm jumpchain
here the full perk
Its basically blank + Armsmaster Power on 11
pretty good perk
Miniaturization/Efficiency / Worm/
You can miniaturize anything down to levels that any sane man would consider impossible. A fusion reactor the size of a watch battery would be the absolute minimum of what you are capable of, and you'd be able to make it far smaller than that. Your power also makes you a master of technological efficiency, anything you make needing barely any energy to run compared to what it should and continue to do so for a very long time. These specialties also make you a master of nanotechnology and similar pursuits. Of course you aren't barred from building something big like a giant robot, just that it'll be impossibly efficient and crammed full of more weapons and subsystems then should be possible
Confirmed to come with these free perks:
Outside Context Problem (Free): It'd be boring if you were to just die right at the start so for free you'll have a selective immunity to the powers of a few rather nasty plot device level opponents that by all rights would probably want to kill you right out of the gate. Contessa, Ziz, and Zion's precog doesn't seem to be able to pick you up, instead returning a zero-sum error whenever they try to force the issue. They won't notice this until you garner enough attention for them to try and then they might take further measures to see what the problem is. But at the moment you'll be safe from being instantly killed due to the threat you pose to their plans. This works on all shard/entity derived precog. Your peculiar inter-dimensional nature just messes up their ability to predict you. Coil is an exception due to the weird nature of his power.
Tinker-Tech Cache (300cp, Discounted Rogue, Free Tinker): You get a decent sized cache of Tinker-Tech whose nature is up to you. Whether you want a large variety of computing and programming devices, an armory full of futuristic guns and weapons, or maybe just a ton of Tinker tools for your personal use. There is nothing crazy in here, but even basic Tinker tech is far more advanced than anything on modern earth. If you have a Tinker ability you get one purchase of this free for tech that corresponds to your specialty, giving you more than enough to get started. Note: Even the worst Tinker-Tech is hundreds of years ahead of modern day earth, and the samples you get here aren't bargain bin by any means, just not anything earth shaking.
Its from the Worm jumpchain
here the full perk
Its basically blank + Armsmaster Power on 11
pretty good perk
Miniaturization/Efficiency / Worm/
You can miniaturize anything down to levels that any sane man would consider impossible. A fusion reactor the size of a watch battery would be the absolute minimum of what you are capable of, and you'd be able to make it far smaller than that. Your power also makes you a master of technological efficiency, anything you make needing barely any energy to run compared to what it should and continue to do so for a very long time. These specialties also make you a master of nanotechnology and similar pursuits. Of course you aren't barred from building something big like a giant robot, just that it'll be impossibly efficient and crammed full of more weapons and subsystems then should be possible
Confirmed to come with these free perks:
Outside Context Problem (Free): It'd be boring if you were to just die right at the start so for free you'll have a selective immunity to the powers of a few rather nasty plot device level opponents that by all rights would probably want to kill you right out of the gate. Contessa, Ziz, and Zion's precog doesn't seem to be able to pick you up, instead returning a zero-sum error whenever they try to force the issue. They won't notice this until you garner enough attention for them to try and then they might take further measures to see what the problem is. But at the moment you'll be safe from being instantly killed due to the threat you pose to their plans. This works on all shard/entity derived precog. Your peculiar inter-dimensional nature just messes up their ability to predict you. Coil is an exception due to the weird nature of his power.
Tinker-Tech Cache (300cp, Discounted Rogue, Free Tinker): You get a decent sized cache of Tinker-Tech whose nature is up to you. Whether you want a large variety of computing and programming devices, an armory full of futuristic guns and weapons, or maybe just a ton of Tinker tools for your personal use. There is nothing crazy in here, but even basic Tinker tech is far more advanced than anything on modern earth. If you have a Tinker ability you get one purchase of this free for tech that corresponds to your specialty, giving you more than enough to get started. Note: Even the worst Tinker-Tech is hundreds of years ahead of modern day earth, and the samples you get here aren't bargain bin by any means, just not anything earth shaking.
Joe probably won't recognize Armsmaster's power, not immediately, but he is going to open an 'on the spot brick factory' and then bunker up if he gets full description of the Blank. Because without reader's context, according to this perk's description not only Joe was a hair breath away from death (and still might be if unknowns 'Zion' and 'Contessa' already know about Joe's existence), but there is also an above Simurgh level precog in the same city with Joe. We know Coil isn't that strong, but, from Joe's point of view strength is the likely reason why Coil would be excluded from Blank and why Joe's shard is so afraid of Coil (as if March wasn't enough).
Plus Blank's description might clue Joe into the fact that it's a power from his own universe.
And potential hilarious outcome: Joe gets Armsmaster's specialty, a tinker tech cache, realizes tech in cache is Armsmaster's and now will need to figure out if it is a duplicate or if his power stole from Armsmaster, Joe might try to return stolen goods (stolen power included if Armsmaster rebrands).
P.S. Joe's Shard is likely to calm Joe down somewhat, but with how flawed their communication is...
Since its getting close to the weekly (or biweekly still) chapter what perk are you guys hoping to get:
After a few discussion in the discord I now want so badly pagan science before Joe encounters the s9
the reason is that the perk frees all the soundtrack perks of the forge, one of them being bayonetta:
-Jingle of Jazz (Free): You've got a soundtrack now! Whether you want it to be peppy and sound like something out of a club, or go to the other end of the spectrum with ominous latin chanting and heavy orchestra, it's up to you! Go nuts and remember to keep it how you like it. Heck, you can make it a soft jazz note fit for a bar if you wanted.
I want joe to get this perk and activate the bayonetta soundtrack in a s9 fight cause one of the songs in bayonetta is a remix of a classical song "fly me to the moon"
Now just imagine the absolute breakdown of mannequin listening to the song fly me to the moon, it would be outright cruel but it would be glorious to see happened
Well, I've always wanted Pagan Science soon, but it is a 600pt perk stuck in that monstrously large Knowledge constellation, so I've been focusing more on somewhat more realistic perks like This Is How I Want It and You Became A Star. But, since we are talking Pagan Science, I will lobby for which song I would like to see for this perk from RWBY:
Iconic Theme, Free: You first hear this song when you do something amazing, then everytime things get serious. Others can hear this if you wish, but won't find it strange. How bizarre.
I mentioned this quite some time ago, but I feel the following RWBY tune perfectly captures Jozef and his relationship to the workshop. Hey, it even synchronizes well with the Spiral perk!
