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Hey a thought occurs. Would Joe be able to alloy things with fire? Because he's been shown to be able to treat fire like any other object, and has a Perk that allows him to treat materials as iron for the purposes of forging it, and has a Perk for merging different exotic materials. It just seems surprisingly possible is all.
 
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Hmm. I know this is a change of subject from current Orknish discussions, but I've been browsing the jumpdocs and found something that miiight be just a bit of a contradiction from what I believe current WOG is. Which is that the only thing we are expecting to receive in future that counts as a companion is the free Felyne from Monster Hunter. But I discovered that the free Kerbals we will get with the That's The Way I Want It perk also collectively count as one (or maybe two) companions. Or maybe that's optional. Here is the quote from the jumpdoc:
For Future Reference, here's how the Companion options suss out;
Bill, Bob, Jeb, and Valentina all count as one companion.
The Kerbals gained from 'Espirit de Kerbal' all count as one companion.
All Kerbals gained from 'We Have Reserves!' count as one companion. Yes, this means you can
get a fairly large number of Kerbals in one companion slot.
If you fold Bill, Bob, Jeb, and Val into 'Espirit De Kerbal', that all counts as one companion,
instead.
You can forgo to take all free companions at the end of the jump if you so choose.
As for importing companions that take up one slot into other jumps, I'm following Babylon 5
Anon's lead, and saying that the perks/powers get divided among them all equally.
Yes, you can use 'Kerbal Kompanions Assemble' to import the pink tide. The management
takes no responsibilities for unleashing billions of Kerbals upon the multiverse. That's all on you,
Jumper. That's all on you.
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So, @LordRoustabout : will the Kerbals be collectively gaining any perks from other jumps, collectively dividing what perks they get? Or will the remain perkless(other than the ones from their own jump they come with), and be a labor/test pilot group only?


Edit: I would put this in a different post, but then I'd be guilty of double posting.
Albert said:
We still haven't seen Joe sing yet, despite getting Serene Sinatra back in chapter 39.
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Oh but sir! Surely you have not forgotten!

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I took another corner and the tone came to my lips.

"Dunnnn Dunnnn"
"Dun Dun Dun"
"Du nu na na na na na "
"Dun Dun Dun"

Black Sabbath, 1970. It was the opening line of the song. Even then it wasn't completely obvious. It could have been that old comic cape, or a reference to that Ted Hughes book. That was until you actually looked at the lyrics to the song.

"He was turned to steel"
"In the great magnetic field"
"When he traveled time"
"For the future of mankind"

For a heavy metal song, you wouldn't really expect it to have a science fiction narrative. The song is about someone trying to save the world, but something goes wrong. They're trapped, disabled, and mocked by people who can't understand what he's trying to do. I stopped at a red light as I continued the song.

"Nobody wants him"
"He just stares at the world"

For me, that would have been bad enough, something uncomfortably direct and personal, but that doesn't get into the weight of the rest of the lyrics.

"Planning his vengeance"
"That he will soon unfurl"

That was the point of the song. Someone who tried to help people endures too much, reaches their breaking point, and becomes a villain.

"Now, the time is here"
"For Iron Man to spread fear"
"Vengeance from the grave"
"Kills the people he once saved"

And that was the real uncomfortable part. I knew how close I had come to becoming something unspeakable. My original trigger… there's a reason I don't like thinking about it. Now I was getting power. So much power, so fast. Something could easily go wrong. One thing too far and I could go from just being regarded as a villain to actually living up to the role.

"Nobody wants him"
"They just turn their heads"
"Nobody helps him"
"Now, he has his revenge"

With the kind of power I had, that I was going to have, any misstep, any carelessness could be devastating. Even a failure to act was a choice of its own, and could have horrible consequences. I couldn't wait around and hope for things to just get better. I needed to start taking action if I wanted to make a difference.

"Heavy boots of lead"
"Fills his victims full of dread"
"Running as fast as they can"
"Iron Man lives again"

A man next to me at the red light threw up the horns through the window of his Charger. I felt more than a little self-conscious, but returned the gesture before the light changed and we drove our separate ways.

A reference this specific had to mean something. Possibly that my powers were future based, or intended to save the world, or needed to be carefully handled.

Or maybe it just meant that Black Sabbath rocked.
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You know what Joe could stand to have? A decent few Shakers and/or Movers or something to render assistance from time to time.

At the very least he should probably modify his work stations so that they can reconfigure on the fly. Bring his areas to him to save time. In terms of employees though he could definitely stand to have a few because, like, he can do anything but doing everything is seemingly beyond him. Or if not outright beyond him then at least rather stressful.

On the subject of what he can do personally though he could probably stand to have some more tools that increase what he can do with his bare hands since handcrafting things is so useful. Maybe some high-frequency effect that propagates though them? Some runes might also work to preserve the effect. If not though he could probably mess with thermoacoustic effects to do something like hand-craft ice cream and/or volcano lava.

Edit: that's what he'd be able to do with just blood-vessels, high-frequency bracelets, supernatural toughness, and dynamic weight. If he didn't mind transforming his hands he'd be able to do a lot more nanomachine handcrafting for Matrix.

Speaking of Matrix though I can't help but wonder how they're going to react to having nanomachines that get the boost from using all of the materials and incorporating Transformer living metal rather then the rare material substitution perk.
 
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Really loved the chapter Lord. Let the escalation continue!
Garaichu said:
Oh geez, the clones somehow turned themselves into material for a Philosophers Stone to pay the price for the original, didn't they? I'd argue that's impossible due to equivalent exchange and all but Joe has already kinda screwed equivalent exchange six ways to Sunday as it stands.
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Eh probably not. They were still there AFTER the transmutation was done.
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The world went white. Stark whiteness flashed before my eyes. Structures and shapes passed faster than I could register. What might have been the shape of a man, what might have been a smile and a door. I didn't know. I didn't have time to register it before it was gone.

And I was gasping for breath, flailing and scrambling, then somehow finding my feet beneath me. Light, sound, sensation. It was all back. I was in a sub circle at the edge of a massive array. Across from me a mass of glowing fibers the size of a man flailed aimlessly. Garment, dressed in an evening gown in place of her shifting fashion soul, was hurrying towards it. Her. Tetra. She was out. Tetra was safe.

And then I heard her voice.

"Thank you."

And I could hear it. I could hear her voice when Garment reached her. It was like in the simulation, but clearer, distinct, and direct. Nobody else reacted, not even Garment. It might not even have been sound, but I could hear it. There was something, some cause, some change, some connection it signified. It was incredible, but I didn't have time to work through the implications. Not now.

One duplicate stood on each side of the circle, spaced between Tetra and me. They looked tired and uncertain, with a sheen of sweat covering their faces. But they also looked relieved.

Tetra was safe. I was safe. The worst of the nightmare was over. But this wasn't done. I wasn't done. Because something serious had happened, and I couldn't let it go. Before I figured out exactly what happened to me, before I found out what Aisha meant about magical circuits and Gundanium, before I checked on the city, or the Undersiders, or anything else, I needed to talk to my duplicates.
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
Is there WOG for why he won't get five Kamui when Tetra finally takes that form? Or has there not been WOG on this subject yet? (I find that hard to believe since it seems an obvious question.)
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Because_i_can said:
Because, at Tetra's level of development making a kamui is less making and more teaching Tetra life-fiber yoga and contortionist
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Subrosian_Smithy said:
Obviously he's going to craft Tetra into a really small Kamui and then let Workaholic size her back up again.
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Another point is making a Kamui out of Tetra would kill Tetra and make a new entity, the Kamui. IIRC anyways. It might only apply to Goku uniforms? Honestly I don't want to do that to Tetra anyways, her own Humaniod form for the win.
prussiangrandier said:
I looked into the whole thing about the Necromundan tech and let me tell you there is some ridiculous stuff in there
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Isn't there also an STC being used by the Van Saar house?
 
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Utterly Depraved said:
You know what Joe could stand to have? A decent few Shakers and/or Movers or something to render assistance from time to time.

At the very least he should probably modify his work stations so that they can reconfigure on the fly. Bring his areas to him to save time. In terms of employees though he could definitely stand to have a few because, like, he can do anything but doing everything is seemingly beyond him. Or if not outright beyond him then at least rather stressful.

On the subject of what he can do personally though he could probably stand to have some more tools that increase what he can do with his bare hands since handcrafting things is so useful. Maybe some high-frequency effect that propagates though them? Some runes might also work to preserve the effect. If not though he could probably mess with thermoacoustic effects to do something like hand-craft ice cream and/or volcano lava.

Edit: that's what he'd be able to do with just blood-vessels, high-frequency bracelets, supernatural toughness, and dynamic weight. If he didn't mind transforming his hands he'd be able to do a lot more nanomachine handcrafting for Matrix.

Speaking of Matrix though I can't help but wonder how they're going to react to having nanomachines that get the boost from using all of the materials and incorporating Transformer living metal rather then the rare material substitution perk.
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While I'm sure he could do with some tools, I can't think of any. With projection he can skip the building process all together, and when he can't he can project the tools and/or materials he needs. Physics was already his bitch but with how many perks he has invested in pyrokinesis, thermodynamics probably throws themselves in the boot while he's around.
 
Mandabar said:
Another point is making a Kamui out of Tetra would kill Tetra and make a new entity, the Kamui. IIRC anyways. It might only apply to Goku uniforms? Honestly I don't want to do that to Tetra anyways, her own Humaniod form for the win.
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Spinning her into some rope for a harness or something would probably be a good way for her to limit herself without it being permanent. That or growing a few non-vital threads of herself into a clone for her to hijack.

It would probably be a good idea to cultivate a few threads of Life Fiber that were intentionally kept mindless into a solid few bundles so that they didn't need to use Tetra for the source of any Life Fiber technology.
Broovian said:
While I'm sure he could do with some tools, I can't think of any. With projection he can skip the building process all together, and when he can't he can project the tools and/or materials he needs. Physics was already his bitch but with how many perks he has invested in pyrokinesis, thermodynamics probably throws themselves in the boot while he's around.
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Yes but that wouldn't be hand crafting now would it?

Edit: something that he might actually want to do is figure out how to change the texture of his skin. If nothing else he'd be able to sand things truly by hand thanks to his enhanced toughness and with his nano-/meta-material knowledge that'd be the least of what he could do with that. Maybe using some crystalized skin-proteins? Crystalized proteins are already a thing after all.

Edit: if he uses crystalized proteins to change the texture of his hands for hand crafting purposes then he might be able to take inspiration from some changers/breakers a la Weld.
 
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Utterly Depraved said:
Yes but that wouldn't be hand crafting now would it?

Edit: something that he might actually want to do is figure out how to change the texture of his skin. If nothing else he'd be able to sand things truly by hand thanks to his enhanced toughness and with his nano-/meta-material knowledge that'd be the least of what he could do with that. Maybe using some crystalized skin-proteins? Crystalized proteins are already a thing after all.

Edit: if he uses crystalized proteins to change the texture of his hands for hand crafting purposes then he might be able to take inspiration from some changers/breakers a la Weld.
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He doesn't need to do that. If Joe wants to go for detail, like intense, intense detail, he just has to go to the nanomanipulators he used to hand-craft the divine Matrix nanites. Or whatever tools he needs to have the Matrix make for him. Note that handcrafting doesn't mean that he has to completely disavow tools. After all, if you say that somebody handcrafted a chess piece, you wouldn't automatically expect that they did it with literally just their hands, no? You would expect them to have used an etcher, engraver, and a hammer, maybe even sandpaper to polish and a brush to paint with.

What matters is the direct control his hands provide, basically. If he presses a button that has a machine craft things for him, it won't be divine. But if he has a controller that lets him use his hands to direct the creation of an object through a machine/tool, then the result will be divine.
 
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readerdreamer said:
He doesn't need to do that. If Joe wants to go for detail, like intense, intense detail, he just has to go to the nanomanipulators he used to hand-craft the divine Matrix nanites. Or whatever tools he needs to have the Matrix make for him. Note that handcrafting doesn't mean that he has to completely disavow tools. After all, if you say that somebody handcrafted a chess piece, you wouldn't automatically expect that they did it with literally just their hands, no? You would expect them to have used an etcher, engraver, and a hammer, maybe even sandpaper to polish and a brush to paint with.

What matters is the direct control his hands provide, basically. If he presses a button that has a machine craft things for him, it won't be divine. But if he has a controller that lets him use his hands to direct the creation of an object through a machine/tool, then the result will be divine.
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Yeah, I think the important part is that he's the only - directed intelligence, I guess you could say? - behind the craftsmanship.

He has to perform every single 'step' of the process manually, without automation. He has to make every decision personally, and carry those decisions out with his own body. But tools are alright - or handheld tools are alright, at least - as long as those tools only act at his immediate direction from moment to moment.
 
Mandabar said:
Eh probably not. They were still there AFTER the transmutation was done.
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Yeah, the last set. The newest clone mentions that every set of clones had helped set up /get ready for the procedure (paraphrased), and every new batch of clones were stressed to hell because of something. That's not necessarily proof, and we'll find out soon, but it definitely doesn't rule it out.
 
Garaichu said:
Yeah, the last set. The newest clone mentions that every set of clones had helped set up /get ready for the procedure (paraphrased), and every new batch of clones were stressed to hell because of something. That's not necessarily proof, and we'll find out soon, but it definitely doesn't rule it out.
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No the clones were talking about the others setting up the circle and everything it took to get to that point. The clones that we last see at the end are the same ones that activated the circle and did the transmutation. Like others said, if it was as simple as them giving up their lives, the clones wouldn't have been so hesitant about this.

Whether it be the heroic part of them willing to sacrifice themselves to save another, the understanding that they're going to die in less than an hour no matter what so why not put that life to some good use, or even the fact that if Joe dies then there is no more clones and they can't just let that happen to their future clone bros, clone solidarity! The price had to be more than their objectively disposable lives or else they would have done this a while a go.
 
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Guys. About Necromunda Hive databases... Joe can create STCs.
That will help a lot with uplifting Earth Bet, after Joe start it (i.e. after he'll kill/banish/befriend Ziz).

Fables said:
Real talk should I just post the final art instead of all these wips?
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I, for one, enjoy wips. At least once I even liked one sketch more than final version.
 
Koraan said:
Guys. About Necromunda Hive databases... Joe can create STCs.
That will help a lot with uplifting Earth Bet, after Joe start it (i.e. after he'll kill/banish/befriend Ziz).


I, for one, enjoy wips. At least once I even liked one sketch more than final version.
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I am not so sure about stc, wouldn't the Mechanicaum have taken them before they became Nercomunda.

I have limited knowledge on wh40k, so I am be wrong.
 
Mourning Glory said:
I am not so sure about stc, wouldn't the Mechanicaum have taken them before they became Nercomunda.
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Well, Perk said "since the Hive was founded".
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Fixer (Light of Terra DLC 5 A Sky Filled With Steel - Warhammer 40,000) 300:
This Schema contains a massive database filled with the countless bits of equipment the denizens of Necromunda Hive Primus have bought, found, built, stolen or obtained by other means over the centuries since the Hive was founded. Inexplicably it also seems to contain an extremely rare, extremely valuable and extremely heretical to own database detailing how to build and maintain Admech servitors and cybernetic parts.
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And Lord said he usually going with more generous interpretation of text.
 
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readerdreamer said:
He doesn't need to do that. If Joe wants to go for detail, like intense, intense detail, he just has to go to the nanomanipulators he used to hand-craft the divine Matrix nanites. Or whatever tools he needs to have the Matrix make for him. Note that handcrafting doesn't mean that he has to completely disavow tools. After all, if you say that somebody handcrafted a chess piece, you wouldn't automatically expect that they did it with literally just their hands, no? You would expect them to have used an etcher, engraver, and a hammer, maybe even sandpaper to polish and a brush to paint with.

What matters is the direct control his hands provide, basically. If he presses a button that has a machine craft things for him, it won't be divine. But if he has a controller that lets him use his hands to direct the creation of an object through a machine/tool, then the result will be divine.
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Subrosian_Smithy said:
Yeah, I think the important part is that he's the only - directed intelligence, I guess you could say? - behind the craftsmanship.

He has to perform every single 'step' of the process manually, without automation. He has to make every decision personally, and carry those decisions out with his own body. But tools are alright - or handheld tools are alright, at least - as long as those tools only act at his immediate direction from moment to moment.
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Do note that he's apparently manually controlling those Generator Rex nanomachines since they apparently completely lack programming and that there's not exactly a lot of tools in cyberspace.
 
Utterly Depraved said:
Do note that he's apparently manually controlling those Generator Rex nanomachines since they apparently completely lack programming and that there's not exactly a lot of tools in cyberspace.
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They do have some fiat-backed programming, I believe. Basically, the ones Joe uses to heal people with. And if unleashed improperly, they could lead to the same mutation explosion that happens at the start of Generator Rex. But as far as Master Craftsman goes, I believe using the nanites don't count for handmade. Joe can use them to make more nanites with all the other benefits of his perks, that's how Tier 2 Nanites were made in the lab and Tier 4 Nanites were made on the field, but the Tier 1 divine nanites? Those need Joe using advanced micromanipulators to assemble them by hand.

To quote the relevant section from the fic:
LordRoustabout said:
The point was, with enhanced micromanipulators and a precisely calibrated workstation I had a means of translating force from my hands directly onto atomics scale components. The difficulty of nanotech was twofold. You had to manufacture the components on a level of precision where you could probably count the individual atoms, and then you had to assemble those components into a working arrangement.

To say this was difficult would be such a massive understatement it wasn't even funny. Non-tinker nanotech wasn't the kind of thing that spilled out of containment and took over the world. Non-tinker nanotech was the kind of thing that fell apart because you got careless with temperature control or happened to shine a laser pointer at the wrong component.

That was not the kind of nanotech I was working with. I had a carefully prepared feedstock of adamantium, mithril, celestial bronze, and a half dozen precisely calibrated alloys, all masterfully mixed and enhanced by the forges of my workshop, with multiple infusions of material properties for each type.

The materials I was working with were so advanced and so refined that the only way I could process them was through manipulation of a new effect available from Weaponsmith. Power fields were powerful disintegration effects that could rip apart even the most durable materials. Adamantium slightly resisted the field, but it still took damage. Nothing else really stood a chance.

My tool of choice was a nanoscale power scalpel. Direct control of the effect allowed the production of tens of thousands of precisely shaped components accurate to a near atomic scale. Through all that work I was acutely aware of the upcoming nightmare of assembly.

This project was something akin to assembling a microscopic jetliner with tweezers, except every component needed to be forged by hand and the jet actually had to function afterwards. Then take that example and increase the difficulty of every element by a thousand-fold. The actual work was smaller, more precise, more complex, and with less margin for error.

Actual nanoscale assembly would have been an absolute nightmare without my expanded pyrokinesis. A slight temperature change can cause a nano-component to warp beyond the range of usefulness, and possibly beyond the point of damage. Different metals with different coefficients of expansion can literally tear themselves to pieces if connected and subject to a temperature change.
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readerdreamer said:
They do have some fiat-backed programming, I believe. Basically, the ones Joe uses to heal people with. And if unleashed improperly, they could lead to the same mutation explosion that happens at the start of Generator Rex. But as far as Master Craftsman goes, I believe using the nanites don't count for handmade. Joe can use them to make more nanites with all the other benefits of his perks, that's how Tier 2 Nanites were made in the lab and Tier 4 Nanites were made on the field, but the Tier 1 divine nanites? Those need Joe using advanced micromanipulators to assemble them by hand.

To quote the relevant section from the fic:
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Oh well never mind then I'm apparently a complete dumbass. Still probably a decent idea to have better hands though.
 
You know, Joe was saying, back when Garment got her bank account set up, that he couldn't put cameras up in the city.

Gadget Master + Elven Enchantment + Lathe of the Heavens to give spy drones 'end game item tier' stealth. I'm assuming no master craftsman, if he wants enough to cover the city.
 
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You know, Joe was saying, back when Garment got her bank account set up, that he couldn't put cameras up in the city.

Gadget Master + Elven Enchantment + Lathe of the Heavens to give spy drones 'end game item tier' stealth. I'm assuming no master craftsman, if he wants enough to cover the city.
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He does have Build Rome on top of all his other speed boosts.

So it might be a serious project by his standards, and not something to knock out over lunch, but he could definitely churn out enough divine object stealth drones to surveil an entire city if he wanted to.
 
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