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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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LordRoustabout said:
Joe's demigod status has a weird relationship with his magic. Joe doesn't have magic power directly from his demigod heritage. That's not universal amongst Percy Jackson demigods. His 'magic' is limited to what he can craft (which is still damn impressive. Joe hasn't really pushed that boundary yet). The divine aspect does strengthen his spiritual presence, which impacts other sources of magic to some extent. The big thing is since Joe has magical energy (mana) from other sources that means he has power he can use for Percy Jackson magic (Mystiokinesis). He's pretty much untrained, but one of the principles of that system is that if you say something with enough power behind it, it can come true (The Demigod Diaries story The Son of Magic, if anyone wants a source). Joe could use his demigod nature to effectively brute force magical effects through the use of sufficient mana.
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If the chimera fission wasn't 100% perfect, does Tetra have two or three of Joe's Magic Circuits after splitting apart from him?

Is Tetra now like Zouken Matou's Crest-Worms?

P.S.
On the subject of familiars, the Matrix AI might be interested in the concept of using colonial organisms as familiars.

Link: TARDIS coral

Idea inspired by TARDIS coral from "Doctor Who".

 
Hey guys, just thought you should know that LordRoustabout said something else about my theory of how Souls work on AO3:
LordRoustabout said:
That's a really good way of putting it, and very close to how I saw things. Though in my case I saw 'consuming' a soul as less of disassembling the link (or well) for materials and more drawing energy as it passed to whatever inaccessible afterlife was present. Either way, it's the same effect. You're losing your link to the infinite body of water in exchange for more of a resource than you would be able to obtain my maintaining the link (soul) for a reasonable period of time. Power vs energy. High amounts in the short term in exchange for longer amounts over time. To stretch this metaphor, the soul focused Arcane Focus part of Joe's heart is like machinery that supplements the wells, better pumps and piping, allowing him to have a better connection to the infinite body of water without straining the well that is his soul.
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
Arise, O Apeiron, Celestial Child of Countless Worlds,
Create! Renew! Forge the World according to your Desires!
Cast away Fear, and Flee Caution, for you have triumphed over certain Death!
Like Lugh Lamhfada returned from the Western Isles,
Your Skills shall save the Earth
And none shall stand before your Boundless Might.
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Okay, this is my third time rereading this piece, and this is the third time it's given me frisson. Whew. Amazing piece!
 
Hydraphur Trader said:
Is it a mistake in design, content or literacy? In my defense, I will say that I wrote this after a day without sleep and I do not know English so well (not my native language, after all).

upd. If this is still relevant, I corrected my previous post:)
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you put your comment inside the quote, nothing much

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I just realized something

the power said he has Tech, not specifically human tech, so it's completely possible Xenos tech existes withtin the Hives, likely even

Necromunda has had Ork infestations and as much as people discredit them, their technology is in function to some degree, as evidenced by the fact that there is always a non-zero chance of it working for a non-ork, at least in the table-top

and even tech that is 100% dependent on the WAAAGH field can probably be replicated by Joe with magi-tech

this means that vortex canons, Shokk Attack Guns, Traktor Kannons, Bubblechukkas are all of those and more are possible.
 
prussiangrandier said:
tech that is 100% dependent on the WAAAGH field can probably be replicated by Joe with magi-tech
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Joe creates WAAAGH!! field to power the device.
WAAAGH!! field creates orks.
Suddenly, everyone even more fucked than before, and when we talking about Earth Bet, that's impressive.

Also, Shards will be in love with orks. The only problem that orks can trigger only from boredom. And even if some ork will trigger, fellow orks, most likely, will kill him like they killing those who possessed by daemons.
 
As I understand it, there is no companion of the magos AM in the used edition of the CF? It's a shame that it would be fun to watch him interact with Joe and those around him, given the specific mentality of the typical mechanicus. And this is not even touching the cranks and gags of specific conclaves, forge-worlds, factions and currents of this ancient organization)
 
Hydraphur Trader said:
As I understand it, there is no companion of the magos AM in the used edition of the CF?
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I think the only way to do it - to make a companion a heretek. Someone who don't follow the Adeptus Mechanicus rules, at least to some extent. Otherwise that "companion" will go "execute BerserkerRage.exe" the same moment as someone get that perk.
Or they need to be programmed by Forge to obey.

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I mean this:

-Magos miscellaneous (Warhammer 40k - Adeptus Mechanicus) (100CP)
The flesh of this person (?) Is hidden under enormous magnification. He had been with the Mechanicus for centuries and had many interests. Less puritanical than most, he is attracted by the ability to broaden the search for knowledge in dimensions unknown to the Cult. He has all the perks of the lost mage at 100, 200 and 400 points, as well as three peaks of the Sign of Magos.


Well, even if he were a more grumpy tech-priest by nature, the special magic of the forge would ensure his loyalty to the protagonist.
 
Koraan said:
So, just as I said, for the Mechanicus - a heretek.
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Why immediately hang up labels) We must be more flexible. The spectrum of the Mechanicus' views is quite wide, as is the degree of decentralization of the Cult of the Machine, even among those who are unconditionally loyal to Mars / Imperium. The same forge-world of Graya, for example (although they have a very tense relationship with the Martian priests, like a number of other forges). The quote from my previous post is clearly not about the Dark Mechanicus.
 
Necromunda also has a large mechanicus base and sisters of battle monastery, so you can add both of those into the mix

honestly I don't know why no one in 40K makes power-ammo, but it's something Joe can create, apparently power pickaxes are common construction equipment in the imperium.

Phase-iron is also something that may work on parahumans, its said to bind psyker power
 
Magus Explorator said:
Necromunda has an Ork infestation, there's an Eldar, and Squat quarters in the hive and has been raided by the DE
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About it:
LordRoustabout said:
Fixer (Light of Terra DLC 5 A Sky Filled With Steel - Warhammer 40,000) 300:
This Schema contains a massive database filled with the countless bits of equipment the denizens of Necromunda Hive Primus have bought, found, built, stolen or obtained by other means over the centuries since the Hive was founded. Inexplicably it also seems to contain an extremely rare, extremely valuable and extremely heretical to own database detailing how to build and maintain Admech servitors and cybernetic parts.
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So, unless they're got their hands on it, just "that was in the hive" don't matter. I.e. in that database will be ork tech only if citizens grabbed said tech and had it in their possession for (undefined by perk amount of time).
 
Koraan said:
So, unless they're got their hands on it, just "that was in the hive" don't matter. I.e. in that database will be ork tech only if citizens grabbed said tech and had it in their possession for (undefined by perk amount of time).
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Aren't hives in 40k the most severe kind of distopias? Wouldn't citizens (at least the most desperate of them, which I assume is a substantial percentage) grab any tech, or anything for that matter, that had even the slightest chance it would give them some sort of advantage? I would assume that anything that was present would have been stolen/seized/grabbed and at least experimented with to see if it was useful in any way.

My take on whether Joe has access to Orktech, though, is that his style perks would kick in and completely ruin anything he would try to build from that entire culture. Or is it just fanon that everything they deal with has to be absolute junk?
 
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
My take on whether Joe has access to Orktech, though, is that his style perks would kick in and completely ruin anything he would try to build from that entire culture. Or is it just fanon that everything they deal with has to be absolute junk?
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No, the style perks are fine. It can look good, the joe makes at least a masterwork on the other hand...

I have no idea how wh orktech works.
 
Koraan said:
About it:

So, unless they're got their hands on it, just "that was in the hive" don't matter. I.e. in that database will be ork tech only if citizens grabbed said tech and had it in their possession for (undefined by perk amount of time).
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so that adds the sisters of silence, the assassinorum, the space marines, rogue traders, several xenos of all stripes, AIs ,

it may also count fragments of archoetech, like the entire STC database, out of the broken ones they have, and pieces of the giant transit gates the Araneus continuity had before it joined the imperium, since there is a non-zero chance a piece of it came to Terra.



heck if you reeeeely stretch it may give Joe the emperors armor because of the Crux Terminatus Badges of Terminator space marines

I feel like this isn't really getting across how immense the database should really be, all of Magecraft is 3 millennia old, with a hundred of thousand practitioners at most.

The database for just hive primus should be several orders of magnitude greater than what's in there, it wouldn't surprise me if it had literally trillions of times more data

LightLan said:
No, the style perks are fine. It can look good, the joe makes at least a masterwork on the other hand...

I have no idea how wh orktech works.
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you and the rest of the galaxy buddy

also "master crafted ork gear" BAHAHAHAHAHA
 
LightLan said:
No, the style perks are fine. It can look good, the joe makes at least a masterwork on the other hand...

I have no idea how wh orktech works.
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Early edition Ork-tech worked on the power of belief thanks to the Waaargh!! Field.

An example would be a tin can or something filled with junk being used as a heavy machine gun or plasma gun. Or a vehicle outpacing other Imperial vehicles despite being discovered after the fact that they were out of fuel or even lacked an engine in the first place (the latter case had the Ork vehicle have a crude drawing of an engine in the compartment). Basically reality warping so long as they believe hard enough but don't think too much about it. Perfect for the Orks.

Later, more recent editions toned that back a lot. Now Ork tech is fully functional (still crappy) and the Waaargh!! Field just covers for any inefficiencies due to crappy materials used or very substandard manufacturing by the Mek. The Field greases the wheels so to speak.

The latter interpretation, Apeiron can replicate and improve with his skills and perks but the former interpretation won't be unless he gets something like Spiral power or some such to imitate/substitute for the Waaargh!!.
 
Slayer 10321 said:
Early edition Ork-tech worked on the power of belief thanks to the Waaargh!! Field.

An example would be a tin can or something filled with junk being used as a heavy machine gun or plasma gun. Or a vehicle outpacing other Imperial vehicles despite being discovered after the fact that they were out of fuel or even lacked an engine in the first place (the latter case had the Ork vehicle have a crude drawing of an engine in the compartment). Basically reality warping so long as they believe hard enough but don't think too much about it. Perfect for the Orks.

Later, more recent editions toned that back a lot. Now Ork tech is fully functional (still crappy) and the Waaargh!! Field just covers for any inefficiencies due to crappy materials used or very substandard manufacturing by the Mek. The Field greases the wheels so to speak.

The latter interpretation, Apeiron can replicate and improve with his skills and perks but the former interpretation won't be unless he gets something like Spiral power or some such to imitate/substitute for the Waaargh!!.
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counter argument.
Villain and civilians: While it look like a nail attached to a board, Apeiron has it so it can probably core a tank at least.

*Apeiron swings a board*
*Nearby buildings collapse*

Villain and civilians: I hate being right.
Apeiron: I just wanted to kill a fly with a board I found! What happened!?
 
Hydraphur Trader said:
As I understand it, there is no companion of the magos AM in the used edition of the CF? It's a shame that it would be fun to watch him interact with Joe and those around him, given the specific mentality of the typical mechanicus. And this is not even touching the cranks and gags of specific conclaves, forge-worlds, factions and currents of this ancient organization)
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Not to mention the Admech waifu:
-Engine-sister (Warhammer 40k - Adeptus Mechanicus) (100CP) Voluminous red robes cannot hide the curves beneath to this woman's eternal embarrassment. Friendly and perky in conversation to both man and machine, she is torn between her desire to be closer to the machine and her attachment to humanity. The possibly of a harmonious union between the two has inspired her to follow you. She has all 100, 200, and 400cp enginseer perks. She also has 'subtle bionics' 'artisan' and one pick of 'magos designation.'
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Thicccc Admech waifu heck ye.
 
Slayer 10321 said:
Early edition Ork-tech worked on the power of belief thanks to the Waaargh!! Field.

An example would be a tin can or something filled with junk being used as a heavy machine gun or plasma gun. Or a vehicle outpacing other Imperial vehicles despite being discovered after the fact that they were out of fuel or even lacked an engine in the first place (the latter case had the Ork vehicle have a crude drawing of an engine in the compartment). Basically reality warping so long as they believe hard enough but don't think too much about it. Perfect for the Orks.

Later, more recent editions toned that back a lot. Now Ork tech is fully functional (still crappy) and the Waaargh!! Field just covers for any inefficiencies due to crappy materials used or very substandard manufacturing by the Mek. The Field greases the wheels so to speak.

The latter interpretation, Apeiron can replicate and improve with his skills and perks but the former interpretation won't be unless he gets something like Spiral power or some such to imitate/substitute for the Waaargh!!.
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So what your saying is....Orks are a Spiral Race with Spiral Power? They are just too....lacking....in the IQ department to properly take advantage of said power?
 
AntaeusTheGiant said:
Aren't hives in 40k the most severe kind of distopias? Wouldn't citizens (at least the most desperate of them, which I assume is a substantial percentage) grab any tech, or anything for that matter, that had even the slightest chance it would give them some sort of advantage?
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Well, kinda yes. But for that they need a chance to grab it. Something like high-level alien tech unlikely to lie around.

AntaeusTheGiant said:
My take on whether Joe has access to Orktech, though, is that his style perks would kick in and completely ruin anything he would try to build from that entire culture. Or is it just fanon that everything they deal with has to be absolute junk?
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Nah, he gonna make a truly fabilous junk! :V

Slayer 10321 said:
the former interpretation won't be unless he gets something like Spiral power or some such to imitate/substitute for the Waaargh!!.
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He have that perk for "misterious forces". I think it can help with that.

Flufferton said:
So what your saying is....Orks are a Spiral Race with Spiral Power? They are just too....lacking....in the IQ department to properly take advantage of said power?
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Nah, they're actually pretty smart (well, not dumber than humans). They just have their passion and pretty, well, passionate, about it.
They like to fight, and don't like to bother about complicated things.
And let me tell you - they takes a lot of advantages from the WAAAGH!! field.
 
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We still haven't seen Joe sing yet, despite getting Serene Sinatra back in chapter 39.

The Laboritorium needs him to sing. Some sort of symphonic metal in binary cant. (Yes, text-to-speech reference.) Perhaps as he demands to know why servitors are even a thing.

Did Joe never read Dune? Because if I had no knowledge of the WH40K setting, the Laboritorium's paranoia about malevolent AI would bring Dune to mind.

(Not that Dune's easy to read, although I think it's clearer than any of the movie adaptations I've seen of it.)
 
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