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Not infinite power. Ridiculous power, but not infinite.
The next step up in that purchase, iirc, takes it up to an output equalling the entire universe.
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The next step up in that purchase, iirc, takes it up to an output equalling the entire universe.
What always bothered me about FMA revival formula is that they spend so much time figuring out what it takes to make a new human. Even if they had a correct formula it would be different for each human. 200Lb random smo VS 120lb mom. Then there's the fact that 200lb random smo is different from another 200lb random smo because one ate different food or had some disease. Or you know DNA or whatever.
What bothered me is that they already have everything they needed to perfectly make up their mother. It's all inside her casket. Maybe add some water or whatever. Account for the soul as needed.
Of course I can't remember if she had a casket, but the guy buried later did.
It would probably still fail, but felt so obvious to me to use her actual body as the ingredients for the new one.
But to bring this back on topic. The rest of the human world doesn't work at Joe's speed. It should take more than a few days for them to figure alchemy or dust. But once a parahuman notices the shards can start cranking away much faster.
Looking forward to seeing where it goes as usual.
What bothered me is that they already have everything they needed to perfectly make up their mother. It's all inside her casket. Maybe add some water or whatever. Account for the soul as needed.
Of course I can't remember if she had a casket, but the guy buried later did.
It would probably still fail, but felt so obvious to me to use her actual body as the ingredients for the new one.
But to bring this back on topic. The rest of the human world doesn't work at Joe's speed. It should take more than a few days for them to figure alchemy or dust. But once a parahuman notices the shards can start cranking away much faster.
Looking forward to seeing where it goes as usual.
Er, that's kind of the point of why people fail to resurrect humans, the bodily ingredients are the easy part. It's the soul that's difficult because a specific deceased human soul is effectively priceless, equivalent exchange is basically impossible when it comes to a departed soul.
You can move living souls around but pulling them from the afterlife is like trying to accelerate to the speed of light.
Except attempts at resurrection gives a universal error message and God slaps you for your insane hubris
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Okay, I'm home now.
I think the biggest issue I see with this and the previous chapter is a slight confusion in what exactly Apeiron the Enigmatic Artificer has asked Uppercrust to do. From what I have read, I think Uppercrust believes "clean house" means to clean up his cell of the Elite. Whereas, I think what was most likely meant was, clean up The Elite. Uppercrust may be in for a bit of a surprise when he tells Jozef what he has accomplished, and being told something on the order of "Oh Good, you've cleaned your room. Now clean the rest of the house."
As for the Weapon received, many have spoken their wish that it be attached to Trauma, as have several previous special weapon Perks. Personally, I would prefer it be attached to the Shining Spear, since it already has pseudo-Hindu associations. I would also like the weapon from Monster Hunter with the bug attached get some further Perk love. Trauma is being a Perk hog, and getting as fat as Survey. When is the Rocket Hammer getting something special???
As for the water, that seems most useful for massive terraforming projects, like for the moon or Mars. Probably won't see this very soon, probably pretty far into the uplift. Unless the Kerbals show up and manage to change Jozef's priorities...
I must say, I love the Victorian desk and the other ornate forms Jozef's creation takes. Not at all what I was expecting, LordR continues to amaze and surprise. Glad to see it has a bit of sass, reminds me a bit of Garment to be honest. Wonder how long before it gains a soul, if it doesn't already have one...
Edit: Well, I'm just being silly. Of course it has a soul, that's what naming does. Or is that only when singing is involved? Uppercrust didn't mention any singing...
I think the biggest issue I see with this and the previous chapter is a slight confusion in what exactly Apeiron the Enigmatic Artificer has asked Uppercrust to do. From what I have read, I think Uppercrust believes "clean house" means to clean up his cell of the Elite. Whereas, I think what was most likely meant was, clean up The Elite. Uppercrust may be in for a bit of a surprise when he tells Jozef what he has accomplished, and being told something on the order of "Oh Good, you've cleaned your room. Now clean the rest of the house."
As for the Weapon received, many have spoken their wish that it be attached to Trauma, as have several previous special weapon Perks. Personally, I would prefer it be attached to the Shining Spear, since it already has pseudo-Hindu associations. I would also like the weapon from Monster Hunter with the bug attached get some further Perk love. Trauma is being a Perk hog, and getting as fat as Survey. When is the Rocket Hammer getting something special???
As for the water, that seems most useful for massive terraforming projects, like for the moon or Mars. Probably won't see this very soon, probably pretty far into the uplift. Unless the Kerbals show up and manage to change Jozef's priorities...
I must say, I love the Victorian desk and the other ornate forms Jozef's creation takes. Not at all what I was expecting, LordR continues to amaze and surprise. Glad to see it has a bit of sass, reminds me a bit of Garment to be honest. Wonder how long before it gains a soul, if it doesn't already have one...
Edit: Well, I'm just being silly. Of course it has a soul, that's what naming does. Or is that only when singing is involved? Uppercrust didn't mention any singing...
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Called out by a Book (Ziggrrauglurr)
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I guess I disagree. From the context I had of Joe, I think he was referring just to Uppercrust's cell. Joe knows that Uppercrust doesn't have that kind of leverage. And he wants their connection to be obscured at least for a while (there's a good chance that Uppercrust will still be attending healing sessions scheduled - and just paying people off to say nothing, or to keep saying he's ill, or faking discomfort in the near future to sell that he's still unwell.)
Joe is also aware that this isn't going to be easy for Uppercrust, and likely doesn't expect immediate results. He expects this to be a long-term project.
To be fair you might be able to use Circle Transmutation to guide particle plasma into stable atoms; it's just that you'd have a bastard of a time guiding them back apart.
Personally I'm hoping that it merges with the Kinsect.
While possible, and even probably for people with motivated reasoning, it would also be reasonable for people to assume that he made it based off of Marches ability.
Joe can pipe water into his Workshop to pipe to arbitrary places elsewhere though.
I'm pretty sure that the misunderstanding lies in the phrasing about Alchemists being forbidden to Transmute gold being interpreted as them being forbidden to create gold with transmutation, implying that it's possible and needed to be made illegal, when it far more reasonably means that Alchemists are forbidden to reshape gold with Transmutation.
Can you imagine if Uppercrust ever looked into the Turin-Ists storage and saw "Pride" listed there?
I think that Joe might have been able to use Call Beads if he had made a divine realm using Fortune energy or whatever it was in a confined space and had a clone in there but as it is I'm not sure how he managed that one.
...It occurs to me that Jacob might be able to tap into Bakudas bomb network if it runs on the same mechanisms as Shard communication. That might be a problem.
Actually you know what could be a interesting use for it? Giving the planet some ice rings.
I would say that it's the opposite; I think that Joe was talking about his cell specifically and that Uppercrust might be interpreting it to mean that he should clean up the entire Elite.
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You had me doubting my own sanity, I KNEW I hadn't written the first sentence, but since I took some painkillers for my back I was doubting my actions from some hours ago...
Ah sorry about that. Thanks for bringing that to my attention; I've fixed the formatting now.
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It's nothing, I was just heavily disoriented trying to remember something I never did xD
Promethium is the 61st element, but Promethium is also something writers have used in sci-fi when they tried to make up a word and forgot to check a dictionary to see if the word already means something. It's at least used in Teen Titans that way.
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I mean the Singing to the Unseen is an act of creation, so for all Uppercrust knows is that Joe had a concert in the timestop of his Noble Phantasm.
Considering how Uppercrust thought about how Apeiron's support was for Uppercrust's own work to "save the Elite, not from outside factors, but from itself", I would think it is pretty clear as to what is the full scope of Uppercrust's goal. He could hardly just stop at cleaning his own cell anyway - what Thurin-Ist provides is a window of opportunity, so later on the rest of the Elite will cotton in on what happened. At that point either Uppercrust "cleans house" or the Elite falls apart into a civil war.
Similarly Joe was definitely thinking of Bastard Son and the likes when he made that demand, so clearly Joe wanted more than just Uppercrust's cell "cleaned", so to speak. But on the short term, just Uppercrust's cell is an acceptable goal for him to work towards.
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He has far more reliable ways to give someone powers now
Oh god, one of the duplicates has installed Mario style travel pipes, haven't they?
Imagine L33t and Ubers rage aneurysm if Apeiron arrives to a duel via Mario Pipe, complete with sound effects...
With this much water Apeiron can casually terraform worlds. I mean he could already, but even easier now. Terraform Mars as a distraction for Simmie.
Also, can the pipe network be run in reverse? Picture Leviathan trying to fight only for a thousand garden hoses to materials arround him and suck away all the water
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Honestly, why bother piping away the water? The Matrix does not like making subpar nanites, but for the purposes of keeping the Brockton Bay intact (and perhaps prove itself trustworthy enough in the public's eyes to help Apeiron Upgrade Everything later on), any water Leviathan brings to the field is just more matter for the Matrix to work with as disposable shields and constructs. Now, wouldn't that cause a number of heart attacks for Piggot?Also, can the pipe network be run in reverse? Picture Leviathan trying to fight only for a thousand garden hoses to materials arround him and suck away all the water
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It would have to use alchemy to transform water in motion, right? It's nanites don't work on the sub atomic scale, so it needs base elements afaik?
And I just like the image of seemingly mundane garden hoses defeating an Endbringer
This reminds me of Miscues, by Qoheleth, in which a translation error causes Hogwarts staff to get a billiard (i.e. 10^15) bludgers in their Christmas gift exchange, instead of a set of pool balls.
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I'm all for Garment soloing of the Teeth, but what would the Teeth would hope to accomplish ? This is a public neutral events, probably with protectorate presence. There's nothing to gain here, and a lot to lose.
Contessa don't realize she's getting blindsided, and she probably doesn't have enough info to properly simulate an Apeiron dummy paths (unlike what she does for Ediolon). She's about as useless as Jack against out favourite Ape.
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The nanites are capable of reforming molecules and converting elements. Remember - it's a full on Grey Goo capable of eating literally anything to reproduce more of itself, except this time they come with all the upgrades, both technological and magical, that Apeiron could provide before taking into account the divinity of the nanites themselves, both as a construct and as a conscious being.
But yes, hoses defeating Leviathan is a hilarious image.
That's the argument for "why would anyone attack Garment's event" in general. What can anyone get from attacking it? Why would they do it?
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March might want to disrupt Garment's and Lili's relationship.
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March thinks that they have a relationship, well, she saw them being buddy buddy, so her teenage brain immediately translated that to "THEY ARE DATING!".
Then again, Lils is also under the impression that Garment is flirting with her. Because she is an hormonal teenager.
You know, in any other fic I would complain about the missunderstandings being unrealistic and be annoyed that they don't talk it out, but this fic makes it work. Mostly because it's show why said missunderstandings happen.
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You are hoping for too much, it doesn't ultimately matter how good they get in alchemy, after all iirc in fma alchemists normally used the tectonic plates to power their alchemy, and then latter they used another fount of power manufactured so that they can't access to the tectonic plates for power and need to use that alternative, so if that happened in setting, with joe knowledge and perks he will be able to easily (relatibly) make a nullification field on earth that makes it so everyone's alchemy except the forge won't be able to access any fount of power to fuel alchemy, making it so nobody else can use alchemy.
So yeah, it was hoping for too much.
I'm sure that there's Shard effects or Circle Transmutation based fusion that could produce energy for the effects.
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Yeah, but mostly it's that she has the capability to compensate at all.
Jack's Broadcast is a one trick pony - once the trick understood and proper precautions are taken, there is little to nothing that Jack can directly use Broadcast for against his opponent.
Meanwhile, Contessa can run models. And even if those models are innacurate, they can be run.
It's like going from the paths unfair 100% accuracy down to the cutting edge of machine prediction of today - sure, it's inaccurate, but the model can still be thought upon and taken under advisement.
Also: Contessa can fake skills using her path. So, just run a short one minute dummy path of "accurately shooting" or "do acrobatics".
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Butcher, since she's unstable and probably feels a need to assert dominance.
The second one, is Leet.
Bakuda's deadlocked herself, Uber's been knocked off of his rocker and March is ineffectual. Leet has control AND has something to gain.
Or rather, something to do. Because when his game grid is ready, I'm of the firm opinion that he's simply going to activate it at the earliest opportunity. No earlier, because it's his magnum opus and both him and his Shard want it - but Leet will turn it on. Unless Apeiron manages to dox the remains of ABB beforehand, Leet will finish his project and turn it on.
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Making the ENE PRT & Protectorate look incompetent. Same reason that Coil had the Undersiders attack the Forsberg Gallery event in Canon.
Of course, since it's a charity event to help Brockton Bay recover from the Ungodly Hour, it's unlikely to be done by the local non-ABB capes. Coil might arrange something (probably using the Travellers, rather than his own troops or the Undersiders) to further undermine Piggot, Bakuda and March (via Uber) might try for a show of force to display that Apeiron hasn't defeated them yet, Butcher and the Teeth likewise.
A high-profile Smash-and-Grab seems more likely than an extended hostage scenario — in and out before they think Apeiron will have a chance to notice & mobilise. Especially if they arrange a distraction on the other side of town first.