Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

[readerdreamer]

Making the ENE PRT & Protectorate look incompetent. Same reason that Coil had the Undersiders attack the Forsberg Gallery event in Canon.

Of course, since it's a charity event to help Brockton Bay recover from the Ungodly Hour, it's unlikely to be done by the local non-ABB capes. Coil might arrange something (probably using the Travellers, rather than his own troops or the Undersiders) to further undermine Piggot, Bakuda and March (via Uber) might try for a show of force to display that Apeiron hasn't defeated them yet, Butcher and the Teeth likewise.

A high-profile Smash-and-Grab seems more likely than an extended hostage scenario — in and out before they think Apeiron will have a chance to notice & mobilise. Especially if they arrange a distraction on the other side of town first.

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I can get the other more personal reasons, like for Leet or even for the Butcher (especially if she thinks she could draw out Apeiron by causing a mess), but not the "make the PRT look incompetent". The thing is, Garment's event is not affiliated with the PRT. They are invited, true, but only as much as everyone else and the cast of visitors includes the Elite as well now that Uppercrust has decided to join. Attacking the event won't make the Protectorate look bad in any way - if anything, it would just make the attackers look stupid since they decided to attack a rather invulnerable cape (Garment), the Elite (Uppercrust's cell), and the Protectorate at the same time.

I'm not saying that the attack won't happen, I'm not LordRoustabout, I'm just saying that if it happens, it won't be because someone decided to make the PRT look bad because nobody needs to really do anything for that house of cards to fall over and collapse into flames.

 

[_AlphaBetSouP]

Making the ENE PRT & Protectorate look incompetent. Same reason that Coil had the Undersiders attack the Forsberg Gallery event in Canon.

Of course, since it's a charity event to help Brockton Bay recover from the Ungodly Hour, it's unlikely to be done by the local non-ABB capes. Coil might arrange something (probably using the Travellers, rather than his own troops or the Undersiders) to further undermine Piggot, Bakuda and March (via Uber) might try for a show of force to display that Apeiron hasn't defeated them yet, Butcher and the Teeth likewise.

A high-profile Smash-and-Grab seems more likely than an extended hostage scenario — in and out before they think Apeiron will have a chance to notice & mobilise. Especially if they arrange a distraction on the other side of town first.

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But a distraction doesn't matter much, because they already know Apeiron can be in multiple places at once with his clones, they just think it's regular motorbike-mech things instead of clones, and he has multiple capes on his team

Edit: actually I can't remember if most people know about the other capes apart from Lethe at this point, so ignore that

 

[readerdreamer]

But a distraction doesn't matter much, because they already know Apeiron can be in multiple places at once with his clones, they just think it's regular motorbike-mech things instead of clones, and he has multiple capes on his team

Edit: actually I can't remember if most people know about the other capes apart from Lethe at this point, so ignore that

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The PRT released a public announcement on all of them. Lethe just got the lion's share of it, given how powerful her Stranger effect led to her ironically getting the most attention.

 

[MagicalAmbitions]

Praise the Lord! Praise and Raise him up high!

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[ADeshantis]

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ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD

But you think this is bad, you should see what we get up to on the Discord. It's been going on for like a year.

 

[ExploerTM]

friendly reminder that LordRoustabout is just a regular guy writing fanfiction in his free time and this kind of statement of worship is really, really weird. The next time you are going to write a statement of praise and worship for a fanfiction author... consider not doing that, instead. It's a lot of pressure to put on someone - something that is literally addressed by the main character of the fic when he talks about how having worshippers generating mantra for him would create a deep obligation to those people. Don't do that, it's weird.

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I am not sure for how long you in fanfiction but as far as I can remember "Praise the Lord Author!" was always a widespread meme. Doesnt help the fact that Lord's nick is, well, literally Lord.

 

[Subrosian_Smithy]

You are hoping for too much, it doesn't ultimately matter how good they get in alchemy, after all iirc in fma alchemists normally used the tectonic plates to power their alchemy, and then latter they used another fount of power manufactured so that they can't access to the tectonic plates for power and need to use that alternative, so if that happened in setting, with joe knowledge and perks he will be able to easily (relatibly) make a nullification field on earth that makes it so everyone's alchemy except the forge won't be able to access any fount of power to fuel alchemy, making it so nobody else can use alchemy.

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No, Amestrian alchemists always used tectonic plates - Father manufactured his subterranean energy network as a power blocking mechanism, not a secondary power source.

It also only blocked tectonic energy, with no effect on the Dragon's Pulse, or on any other power sources that alchemy could hypothetically be adapted to use. (Tidal instead of geothermal, etc.)

 

[Gregory Crey]

I am not sure for how long you in fanfiction but as far as I can remember "Praise the Lord Author!" was always a widespread meme. Doesnt help the fact that Lord's nick is, well, literally Lord.

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There is a difference between a noble title and divinity. Unless an actual religion springs up around someone, for the sake of the faithful among us, please refrain from such jokes. It is bad enough some of us have to put up with the church of Conner on SB. I would even accept an organized joke religion on the level of the Pastafarians as some people may ironically believe in it.

But please, let us leave even joking cults of individuals/personality out of SV. It is extremely troubling.

 

[derpydude9001]

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PRAISE THE LORD!!!!




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[Chronocidal]

I can get the other more personal reasons, like for Leet or even for the Butcher (especially if she thinks she could draw out Apeiron by causing a mess), but not the "make the PRT look incompetent". The thing is, Garment's event is not affiliated with the PRT. They are invited, true, but only as much as everyone else and the cast of visitors includes the Elite as well now that Uppercrust has decided to join. Attacking the event won't make the Protectorate look bad in any way - if anything, it would just make the attackers look stupid since they decided to attack a rather invulnerable cape (Garment), the Elite (Uppercrust's cell), and the Protectorate at the same time.

I'm not saying that the attack won't happen, I'm not LordRoustabout, I'm just saying that if it happens, it won't be because someone decided to make the PRT look bad because nobody needs to really do anything for that house of cards to fall over and collapse into flames.

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A major public event like that will typically have some form of security provided by local law enforcement. Just like you have for a concert, or for a sports match.

Being that this event involves 2 high-profile Capes, it's going to fall under the jurisdiction of the PRT & Protectorate, not the BBPD.

So, when the event gets crashed, exactly who is providing the Security that just got shown as incompetent? Who failed to predict and prevent the attack?

Yeah, it's the PRT & Protectorate.

But a distraction doesn't matter much, because they already know Apeiron can be in multiple places at once with his clones, they just think it's regular motorbike-mech things instead of clones, and he has multiple capes on his team

Edit: actually I can't remember if most people know about the other capes apart from Lethe at this point, so ignore that

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Sure, he can be in multiple places at once. But, it still takes him time to move and deploy. If they think they can pull all of his attention and resources somewhere else, then news still needs to travel from the event to Apeiron, and Apeiron (or duplicate, or teammate) needs to travel from their location to the event. And, given the number of fronts the Ungodly Hour was fought on, they probably have a fair confidence that Apeiron can only be in three places at once, since he wasn't in more back then.

(Of course, Coil knows that Apeiron is unlikely to deploy in earnest, as part of his agreement to remain "hands-off". But the Teeth and ABB might not have that intel.)

 

[BarbaCoPut]

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This gif is extremely disturbing, and seeing it multiple times it's even worse. xD

 

[Nimeroni]

Edit: actually I can't remember if most people know about the other capes apart from Lethe at this point, so ignore that

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Apeiron being able to wage a one man war by sending multiple bikes/drone is likely to be public knowledge by now. One of his bikes was destroyed by March and he received help from another bike a short time after. And he was sighted simultaneously in multiple places during the ungodly hour. It could be some fast repair and very fast movement, but Occam razors point toward multiple robots.

However, his clones is one of the best concealed secret of the Celestial Forge. I doubt even thinkers could guess that one.

Not that it matters for the other groups. Between his team and his robots, distracting Apeiron won't stop him from responding.

friendly reminder that LordRoustabout is just a regular guy writing fanfiction in his free time and this kind of statement of worship is really, really weird. The next time you are going to write a statement of praise and worship for a fanfiction author... consider not doing that, instead. It's a lot of pressure to put on someone - something that is literally addressed by the main character of the fic when he talks about how having worshippers generating mantra for him would create a deep obligation to those people. Don't do that, it's weird.

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He's used to it.

And, given the number of fronts the Ungodly Hour was fought on, they probably have a fair confidence that Apeiron can only be in three places at once, since he wasn't in more back then

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Acting on 3 days old intel is a terrible idea against a tinker that seems to not care about build time (and everyone knows that by now). Especially since Apeiron showed his team, so the number of simultaneous place to be is obviously higher than 3.

 

[Graviator]

However, his clones is one of the best concealed secret of the Celestial Forge. I doubt even thinkers could guess that one.

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He all but confirmed at Somer's Rock that Fleet could remotely drive his bike/bots by crediting him for killing Lung.

 

[AmberSlime]

I wonder, when people see Apeiron's Mantra Form, will they believe that Apeiron's gone and roboticized himself, or will they think that he was actually an agoraphobe ala Dragon this whole time and now that he's finally gotten his Robo-Me Robot up and running he'll never show his actual face in public again?

 

[readerdreamer]

A major public event like that will typically have some form of security provided by local law enforcement. Just like you have for a concert, or for a sports match.

Being that this event involves 2 high-profile Capes, it's going to fall under the jurisdiction of the PRT & Protectorate, not the BBPD.

So, when the event gets crashed, exactly who is providing the Security that just got shown as incompetent? Who failed to predict and prevent the attack?

Yeah, it's the PRT & Protectorate.

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Yeah, but again - it's an independent's event, and the visitors are not limited to just the heroes alone. That gives more than enough deniability.

And really, no one will bother to further wreck the Brockton PRT's reputation because what's the point? This month has nothing but that since time and again, the Director is already queued to be booted out with dishonorable discharge, the Wards are at risk of disbanding, the Protectorate leader is officially in the middle of medical recovery, and even other PRT branches are now acting in the bay while ignoring the local branch. That's so low that trying to ruin that is like trying to set a pile of ruins on fire - there is no point.

 

[Fits Dreia]

Father manufactured his subterranean energy network as a power blocking mechanism, not a secondary power source.

It also only blocked tectonic energy, with no effect on the Dragon's Pulse, or on any other power sources that alchemy could hypothetically be adapted to use. (Tidal instead of geothermal, etc.)

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Well i misremember the source part then, but not the other one, i know that it allowed the dragon pulse, vut to be fair i just thought "father could block that one, so joe thats geared to overpowered crafting may be able to create one that blocks all energy sources and have a whitelist, or at the very least something less but then upgrading it to that level", so i can be overestimating him but i dont think so.

 

[BarbaCoPut]

Acting on 3 days old intel is a terrible idea against a tinker that seems to not care about build time (and everyone knows that by now). Especially since Apeiron showed his team, so the number of simultaneous place to be is obviously higher than 3.

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Most People are remarkably bad in updating their mental models and expectations.

 

[_AlphaBetSouP]

But a distraction doesn't matter much, because they already know Apeiron can be in multiple places at once with his clones, they just think it's regular motorbike-mech things instead of clones,

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Apeiron being able to wage a one man war by sending multiple bikes/drone is likely to be public knowledge by now. One of his bikes was destroyed by March and he received help from another bike a short time after. And he was sighted simultaneously in multiple places during the ungodly hour. It could be some fast repair and very fast movement, but Occam razors point toward multiple robots.

However, his clones is one of the best concealed secret of the Celestial Forge. I doubt even thinkers could guess that one.

Not that it matters for the other groups. Between his team and his robots, distracting Apeiron won't stop him from responding.



He's used to it.



Acting on 3 days old intel is a terrible idea against a tinker that seems to not care about build time (and everyone knows that by now). Especially since Apeiron showed his team, so the number of simultaneous place to be is obviously higher than 3.

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[SiegfriedisOP]

A tasty AO3 WOG for all my SV only homies to increase hype for the Truth perk.

Exotic Compatibility says a material "assumes the forging and abilities of plain Iron until you begin building with it". Craftsmen of the Gods says "Things you make yourself from base components". Iron counts as a base component, but the effect of Exotic Compatibility granting the "forging and abilities" or iron won't be enough for it to count for Craftsmen of the Gods. Exotic Compatibility is great for things that need iron in the crafting process, like bone steel, volcano enhancement, or the Secret of Steel, but Craftsmen of the Gods needs items to be made from base components. The emulation effect won't be enough for that.

On the plus side, Joe doesn't really need Exotic Compatibility. Anything he makes with Alchemy will involve a deconstruction step, taking the material back to 'base components', meaning as long as the materials were created by alchemy, they count as base materials created by Joe, and qualify for Craftsmen of the Gods. Actually, there's no way to avoided the effect of the perk if Alchemical Transmutation is involved. Furthermore, both mana and demonic energy count as base materials, meaning anything Joe creates with either projection magecraft or Dark Slayer will benefit from Craftsmen of the Gods.

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Basically with just Alchemy and his perks, like Master Craftsman which Lord has said will synergize with Truth, Joe could create something like Gae Bolg.

 

[Knaka]

Ah, time to reply to the thread.

Just read the chapter a second time. By accident. I went to reread one bit about Thurin-Ist, and ended up going through the whole thing.

Quite enjoyable both times.

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I know that feeling

As for the Weapon received, many have spoken their wish that it be attached to Trauma, as have several previous special weapon Perks. Personally, I would prefer it be attached to the Shining Spear, since it already has pseudo-Hindu associations. I would also like the weapon from Monster Hunter with the bug attached get some further Perk love. Trauma is being a Perk hog, and getting as fat as Survey. When is the Rocket Hammer getting something special???

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While entertaining, I doubt this will happen. LR was asked a similar question about the questionably practical weapon when it was obtained, and mentioned that it didn't have an import option so it couldn't be combined. I believe the same is true here, so the Divine Weapon should be a separate item.

Considering how Uppercrust thought about how Apeiron's support was for Uppercrust's own work to "save the Elite, not from outside factors, but from itself", I would think it is pretty clear as to what is the full scope of Uppercrust's goal. He could hardly just stop at cleaning his own cell anyway - what Thurin-Ist provides is a window of opportunity, so later on the rest of the Elite will cotton in on what happened. At that point either Uppercrust "cleans house" or the Elite falls apart into a civil war.

Similarly Joe was definitely thinking of Bastard Son and the likes when he made that demand, so clearly Joe wanted more than just Uppercrust's cell "cleaned", so to speak. But on the short term, just Uppercrust's cell is an acceptable goal for him to work towards.

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Well, to be certain, we'd need a WOG, but my personal interpretation would be that Joe intended for Uppercrust to clean his own cell and he would deal with other cells like Bastard Son later. Uppercrust may think differently though.

Oh god, one of the duplicates has installed Mario style travel pipes, haven't they?

Imagine L33t and Ubers rage aneurysm if Apeiron arrives to a duel via Mario Pipe, complete with sound effects...

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While I would love to see this, it is unlikely. Entertaining idea though.

friendly reminder that LordRoustabout is just a regular guy writing fanfiction in his free time and this kind of statement of worship is really, really weird. The next time you are going to write a statement of praise and worship for a fanfiction author... consider not doing that, instead. It's a lot of pressure to put on someone - something that is literally addressed by the main character of the fic when he talks about how having worshippers generating mantra for him would create a deep obligation to those people. Don't do that, it's weird.

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Eh, to each their own. If LR states that he's uncomfortable with that, I'd definitely avoid it, but I'm not going to tell others to stop on his behalf without knowing if he wants us to or not.

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD

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You know, I always thought the quote was 'MORE GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD', but according to google you are technically correct, the best kind of correct.

 

[dragon_cloud16]

Basically with just Alchemy and his perks, like Master Craftsman which Lord has said will synergize with Truth, Joe could create something like Gae Bolg.

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Translation: Getting Apeiron mad at you is no longer a Darwin Award level feat. You have officially proven that you are no longer needed in the human gene pool and your elimination is now necessary for the survival of humanity.

But onto something a little more interesting. I have recently started reading/watching a older series called Toriko. For those that do not know about it, think HunterxHunter level combat mixed with Hokuto no Ken characters and a dash of Shougeki no Soma.

Joe's food is already divine. Imagine if he got the skills from that setting, a kitchen like the one's they use, and access to the ingredients that they use. Taste buds would be ruined for every other kind of restaurant and fast food joint just before the food reaches the tongue.

Plus one of the characters had a skill that let him inflict a wound that was genetically passed down to their descendants permanently.

 

[Hyperion47]

Even being in his good graces was a turbulent state of existence.

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Now this is Apeiron in a nutshell!

with Apeiron in play, balance wasn't really something anyone can count on. Not anymore.

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Flip the board!

 

[Slentoru]

So, here is the question to mule over: What exactly gives Thurin-Ist it's "level of self-determination"?

And another question, now for Tolkien fans: Is everything properly enchanted by elves as hard to destroy as The One Ring? Just interesting, if enchanting in of itself grants some kind of invulnerability to the item, or if invulnerability have to be intended effect, like with Aisha's power armour.

 

[BarbaCoPut]

So, here is the question to mule over: What exactly gives Thurin-Ist it's "level of self-determination"?

And another question, now for Tolkien fans: Is everything properly enchanted by elves as hard to destroy as The One Ring? Just interesting, if enchanting in of itself grants some kind of invulnerability to the item, or if invulnerability have to be intended effect, like with Aisha's power armour.

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Thurin-kun was sung into existence in a universe where there's no Song. It has a soul, a purpose, it's an object of power. But what would have had a destiny in the universe of Ilúvatar now has a will and a future to make for itself, like men. It's devoted to a man, Upper-sama, gifted by Apeiron-kami-sama but it will do things following his purpose in any manner that it sees fit to do so, if that means calling out one of their master's servants, so be it.

No, the ring was so hard to destroy because it held most of the power of Sauron, it was way too real to be broken in a simple way, in fact it wasn't simply broken or destroyed, it was unmade.

 

[Slentoru]

Yeah, Elven Enchantment certainly has part in it, but what else?

Like, inclusion of Harry Potter magic might have an influence, as at least one type of their artefacts has a tendency to be sentient (Wands). And it's purpose as tool of informational control most certainly gives it more intelligence (pun intended).

Anything else? Like some perk that might promote intelligent behaviour in a magical artefact or quirk of the magic system Joe has access to? Because it's the first time Joe made a fully intelligent magical artefact, and what powers in play led to it is quite a curiosity.