Given the rest of your post, the part you want to pay attention to is the bit with the New York fashion model.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
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Kiddie by Sophia's standards, you know, the 15 years old edgelord that goes around in black spandex, a black hood, and calls herself Shadow Stalker with a straight face while thinking ut's the toughest, coolest shit ever.
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Trust me, there really are people like that. A lot of people like that. It's not that different from the "I Am The Alpha!" stuff... which as it turned out was the lupine equivalent of a prison gang and wolves in the wild are nothing like that.
People will think anything that gives them comfort, makes things not their fault, or lets them do what they want to do without remorse. Not everyone, obviously, but it's still... a thing.
My first thought was "Hi Mom!". You know, like people who suddenly find themselves on TV.
From there things like "Nice shoes" and "Xyzzy"(One of the magic words from Colossal Cave Adventure, which reappears in a lot of interactive fiction. Basically, random Nerd Reference.) are what pop to mind. But yeah, mundane stuff, slightly mocking stuff, just generally being a little troll.
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You will be eaten by the Grue - says Aika, not inderstanding her brother doesn't understand the reference.
The whole "Alpha" stuff turns even more hilarious with the scientist that coined the term disproving it himself less than a year later when he realized the 'Alphas' were just mommy and daddy. Hell, he even tried to make people stop using the term, but by then it was already part of the human memetic memory, AKA pop culture.
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bad ethical take: you shouldn't kill the joker because then you'd be just as bad as the joker
good ethical take: you should kill the joker because you'd be saving so many innocent lives in the future
excellent ethical take: you shouldn't kill the joker because he'll probably come back with an army of demons in tow
great, Emma and Sophia in high doses... Thank you, I already hate it.
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Well, that was as exhausting as I expected. I want to slap them and lock them up and get them therapy all at once.
That's why you kill the mind, shred the soul, and purge the ego. Once you acknowledge that magic/demons exists only hack writers keep it exclusively into the hands of villains.
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So in other words you should outright destroy the Joker where he can't come back. Gotcha.
Garment's event seems like it's going to be a complete cluster f of bad interactions. Garment and Survey are the ones handling the main bulk of the event with Joe only handling things on the physical side. Sabah, Joe, and Garment interaction is going to be a nightmare that might cause Sabah to Second Trigger. But also it's Joe's hands off stance and Garment's obliviousness that might cause other problems. Garment will most definitely not discriminate body types when choosing models so she will most likely end up with a lot of different models and outfits at the event. I imagine Survey will be keeping a comprehensive list of all the models that will be attending and participating in the event. Since Joe is being hands off he won't see the name Emma Barnes(with possible Sophia Hess as a plus one) on the list which means his passenger won't be able to warn him about it. The Undersider will most likely be attending the event in their civilian identities(Brian will definitely be there to keep an eye on Aisha). And Garment will definitely rope them into being models, heck Taylor might already be on the list cause Garment is peeved that Taylor hasn't been wearing her new clothes and will have her model some clothes so show how good they are. What happens when Emma and Sophia not only see Taylor as a model at the event but also see that Taylor is getting special attention from Garment. Things will go crazy. Another crazy thing that could happen is Aisha choosing this moment to tell Joe that Grue is her brother and also tell Brian she's a cape. I imagine that interaction will not go well either.
So we have 3 disasters waiting to happen all at the same event at possibly the same time. And that not even mentioning the outside interference that might happen with other capes that show up at the event. I think I'm looking forward to this Event more then I did for Somer's Rock.
So we have 3 disasters waiting to happen all at the same event at possibly the same time. And that not even mentioning the outside interference that might happen with other capes that show up at the event. I think I'm looking forward to this Event more then I did for Somer's Rock.
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No ethics needed take: You don't need to kill Joker. Seriously, more often than not, the plans bastard make ended up as a petard under his own arse. The amount of time he should've died from his own actions is mind-boggling. You don't need to kill Joker, the man himself is enough for the job.
Same thing with Jack Slash in Worm. I honestly can't wait for this moron to concoct a plan on how to corrupt and/or kill Apeiron, and for that plan to turn into what amounts to the world's most elaborate suicide, with nothing achieved. I don't believe he is capable of much more.
I can just picture it. Aisha, full of guilt and shame. Brian, passed out from shock, with Lisa and Alec trying to wake him up. Taylor wearing something that is not a hoodie. Garment tying Sophia and Emma into a beautiful bow. Sabah just screaming in the background. Joe infinitely confused. Rachel also there. And everything on fire. Glorious~
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While this situation does offer a lot of the needed ingredients for her to second trigger, it's still lacking the mindset of personal loss. It was this kind of stress, alone against the world, then losing her father on top it that broke the camel's back, so a second trigger would require her to go through something similar. Maybe if something happens that took away her ability to do fashion at all or something would be enough, but maybe not. Might specifically require losing a person close to her rather than just something important. Second Triggers can be finicky and specific, similar but not exact mindsets/situations only act as a (usually) temporary power boost.
I agree honestly,the moment that Jack runs into joe he should just die, his plot armor power doesn't work against Joe. If he doesn't die the first time he runs into joe I'll be horribly disappointed. Plus it's not like he will try to avoid Joe because his "instincts" won't tell him not to. It would be hilarious if he just walked up to Joe and he just died like he doesn't even get a chance to run his mouth just all the confidence and the he no longer has a head/heart.
Perhaps she could become extremely stressed and perceive its success as the beginning of her loss of her hard earned business and reputation to Garment?
(After all, she's a Worm character and it would be close to her Second Trigger, and we've seen she doesn't see things right when very stressed – her thinking Joe was being pushy after being evasive in her rejections when he just didn't get the hint and got bad advice – though that's not exactly an irregular thing)
What about losing her business, brand, and reputation? Her blowing up on Garment and Joe could cause her business partners and benefactors to back out of their deals with her in favor of supporting Garment. Her reputation would also be ruined in the fashion industry causing stock in her outfits to plummet. It's even possible she'll loose her studio with people no longer wanting to do business with her. The eviction note(or whatever is handed out to people that loose their business) could be that final straw that causes her to Second Trigger; everything she built, everything she worked for, everything she's gained in the past 2 years just gone in one instant. Yeah if this is what would happen then she would definitely experience a Second Trigger Event. I'm just wondering how her powers would change; supposedly her power has a true use that would be useful against Behemoth.
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I'm not sure Katsujinken would let Joe just kill Jack outright as an opening move. Not while capturing him is still a valid option at least. Mind you, once caught, someone else could, and probably would, do the job (especially after Joe undoes w/e Bonesaw nonsense is lurking in Jack's body as a deadman switch). If you want insta death, I'd bet more on Aisha offing him mid monologue or something, with Joe grade protections keeping Jack's hax away unlike canon.
"People who follow this viewpoint view the death of their opponent as tantamount to defeat and shun those who purposefully kill."
Joe can still kill if he has to, but would view it as a last resort. An unfortunate necessity. And he's so powerful, there's not many situations where killing would be the only option; even in situations where he has to defend others, the power disparity is growing so much that he can afford even that split attention in most cases.
Parian is basically a fleshmancer; her power functions much better on dead skin than it does in other materials. If she could survive long enough contact with an endbringer, she might be able to strip it apart or even puppet it or something. The key being survive long enough... which is just not going to happen. Alternatively, make a massive flesh golem and battle kaiju style.
I'd imagine a second trigger would probably let it work on living skin too or something, letting her puppet others. Maybe even herself as a quasi brute power.
As for what would truly be enough for a second trigger, that's ultimately up to the author. Honeslty, with the way shards act around Joe, I wouldn't be too surprised if they bend/break the rules and accept a close enough.
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I'm pretty sure the amount of Copium Emma and Sophia are chugging in this chapter is lethal.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKQMPTnrQ04
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKQMPTnrQ04
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God damn Emma really feels really bad about the whole Taylor Situation doesn't she?
I freely admit to skipping/skimming a lot of parts of Worm so her exact Canon Thinking is nigh completely unknown to me, but I really like this Version compared to other Fanfictions. It makes redemption seem at least plausible without going to much in either direction.
Excuse Me? Extremely low Tier?
Sophia is an arrogant bitch whose Predator and Prey Type of Thinking and overconfidence (she very likely views herself as a badass) will eventually result in her death.
No doubt about it.
But she is capable of becoming intangible; as in immune to pretty much anything except for Electricity and Multi-Dimensional Attacks (like Damsel of Distress, Flechette and Scions Sting?) which is an all-or-nothing defense as long as she can react fast enough.
Same with her attacks (if timed properly) I don't know if there is a WOG on the Endbringers Vulnerability to it, but outside of them and exceptions like Alexandria and adaptive regeneratives Shadow Stalker is basically immune to pretty much anything and capable of killing nigh anything while also being quite mobile for street level fights.
How is someone with those capabilities an extremely low tier ganker? Outside of Regent and the resident Tinkers basically no one uses Electricity in Brockton Bay.
Of course if you mean: going against the Celestial Forge is an elaborate Suicide and nothing else, then yes but that's just obvious.
It basically makes as much sense as those that believe that humans thrived because of a survival of the fittest mentality and that the weak are dead weight that should be freely cast away the moment they dragged the group down.
So much ignorance and unwillingness to look at reality is already needed just to sustain such an idiotic world view that actually changing it and making them realize their error of ways is an uphill battle at best.
Comparing Joker? the guy that could land in Warhammer 40ks Warp Dimension and scream Paradise!! with genuine joy and the one who maims, tortures and kills others for the sheer laugh of it (for him) with goddamn Highschool bullies (if particular vicious ones) seems for me like comparing 2 children throwing sand into each others eyes to World War 1 in terms of brutality.
Sure there is a basic similarity, but that's about it.
If this is sarcasm I apologize for the misunderstanding.
As for actually killing Joker it depends. From the multiverses Perspective Joker is a constant presence in Batmans Enemy list due to how he challenges Batmans Morality something that is integral to Batmans struggle as a hero while any being actually powerful enough to erase his existence Permanently (without Time Travel, alternate Timelines/Dimensions bullshit) like the Spectre don't see him as a threat worth noticing (which is a mostly right threat assessment).
Just because he doesn't get a warning from his Shard doesn't mean his own intuition/experience suddenly vanishes.
Joe has already multiple times shown enough Power to threaten basically everyone in the Slaughterhouse 9 except the Siberian.
Combine that with Joes shown care for the lives of innocents and Jack is most certainly going to try his best to recreate the ungodly Hour only with more EVERYTHING.
So outside of a preemptive Strike from the combined Celestial Forge (which is unlikely if Joe still listens to his Fanon Shard at the time of noticing them) the cleanup will at least still be troublesome.
I freely admit to skipping/skimming a lot of parts of Worm so her exact Canon Thinking is nigh completely unknown to me, but I really like this Version compared to other Fanfictions. It makes redemption seem at least plausible without going to much in either direction.
Excuse Me? Extremely low Tier?
Sophia is an arrogant bitch whose Predator and Prey Type of Thinking and overconfidence (she very likely views herself as a badass) will eventually result in her death.
No doubt about it.
But she is capable of becoming intangible; as in immune to pretty much anything except for Electricity and Multi-Dimensional Attacks (like Damsel of Distress, Flechette and Scions Sting?) which is an all-or-nothing defense as long as she can react fast enough.
Same with her attacks (if timed properly) I don't know if there is a WOG on the Endbringers Vulnerability to it, but outside of them and exceptions like Alexandria and adaptive regeneratives Shadow Stalker is basically immune to pretty much anything and capable of killing nigh anything while also being quite mobile for street level fights.
How is someone with those capabilities an extremely low tier ganker? Outside of Regent and the resident Tinkers basically no one uses Electricity in Brockton Bay.
Of course if you mean: going against the Celestial Forge is an elaborate Suicide and nothing else, then yes but that's just obvious.
It basically makes as much sense as those that believe that humans thrived because of a survival of the fittest mentality and that the weak are dead weight that should be freely cast away the moment they dragged the group down.
So much ignorance and unwillingness to look at reality is already needed just to sustain such an idiotic world view that actually changing it and making them realize their error of ways is an uphill battle at best.
Comparing Joker? the guy that could land in Warhammer 40ks Warp Dimension and scream Paradise!! with genuine joy and the one who maims, tortures and kills others for the sheer laugh of it (for him) with goddamn Highschool bullies (if particular vicious ones) seems for me like comparing 2 children throwing sand into each others eyes to World War 1 in terms of brutality.
Sure there is a basic similarity, but that's about it.
If this is sarcasm I apologize for the misunderstanding.
As for actually killing Joker it depends. From the multiverses Perspective Joker is a constant presence in Batmans Enemy list due to how he challenges Batmans Morality something that is integral to Batmans struggle as a hero while any being actually powerful enough to erase his existence Permanently (without Time Travel, alternate Timelines/Dimensions bullshit) like the Spectre don't see him as a threat worth noticing (which is a mostly right threat assessment).
Just because he doesn't get a warning from his Shard doesn't mean his own intuition/experience suddenly vanishes.
Joe has already multiple times shown enough Power to threaten basically everyone in the Slaughterhouse 9 except the Siberian.
Combine that with Joes shown care for the lives of innocents and Jack is most certainly going to try his best to recreate the ungodly Hour only with more EVERYTHING.
So outside of a preemptive Strike from the combined Celestial Forge (which is unlikely if Joe still listens to his Fanon Shard at the time of noticing them) the cleanup will at least still be troublesome.
Have we seen any second triggers in this story yet? I don't think so.
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Her intangibility was canonically overcome by Bitch's dogs running her through a couple times. Her getting dispersed several times tired her out and forced her back into her normal form.
Isn't Jack's whole experience as cape build from his overreliance on his fake intuition and charisma? While I wouldn't bet much on this kind of experience, I also did not deny Slash's ability for planing. I explicitly said that he would "concoct a plan". I just also believe that his plan will go so horrifyingly wrong from his overconfidence in his abilities and lack of information on Apeiron, that Jack will just end up killing himself accidentally with it. Kind like it happened with March, only with even more SCHADENFREUDE.
I knew I remember her going through living things without much harm, but could not remember if that was in canon or some fic. With that info acquired, I can ask a question : Is there any canonical explanation for why Sophie is not hurt by voltage in neurons?
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I was actually referring to seeing her working. Aisha has matured a lot in the last... day or so. After getting the positive attention she craves, interacting with people that see her as a person with her own thoughts and opinions, valuable ones at that... Well, I can't help but look forward to seeing her working seriously to help Garment and Survey's event go off without a hitch.
Also, if there's a Mall Scene-esque moment with Stalker, Emma and Taylor... well, I'm really hoping she's there.
Nah, man. If you wanna destroy the Joker, you just gotta convince everyone girls like him.
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Wrong because the sting affects all dimensions, i dont think intangibility will cut it.
Also Stalker's Arrows arent capable of piercing deep enough in an enbringer.....not to mention that it does nothing to them. So basically, her arrows dont reach the core before the power stops working on them.
Considering his own intuition, experience in twisting people and charisma come from his shard feeding him clues.....
As for the Ungodly Hour thing.....yeah, unless he gets info from March, who is going to die when Joe finds her, there is no way he will be able to do a thing.
The 9 come to brockton after Leviathan. One thing i will give them, is that Jack has enough brains to go to weak targets. After the Leviathan attack the 9 deem the place safe enough to attack.
With Apeiron in play.....yeah no, the first to die will be Shatterbird. That is if they even come.
But yeah, at that point Joe will have so much tech and cheats avaliable that the 9 will be dust if they go.
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All the parties go to Garment's (and Parian's) gig, Emma sees Taylor (and Danny, but he doesn't matter 
) interact in a healthy way with a pretty looking older guy (Joe), wait for them to separate, goes to talk shit about Taylor to said pretty looking older guy because Taylor can't have nice things, said pretty looking older guy proceed to gently tell her that she only sounds jealous of Taylor, she start to drink the Predator cool aid, pretty looking older guy goes to look for her parents like a responsible adult and tell them their kid need help.
Now that's what I need in my life!
) interact in a healthy way with a pretty looking older guy (Joe), wait for them to separate, goes to talk shit about Taylor to said pretty looking older guy because Taylor can't have nice things, said pretty looking older guy proceed to gently tell her that she only sounds jealous of Taylor, she start to drink the Predator cool aid, pretty looking older guy goes to look for her parents like a responsible adult and tell them their kid need help.Now that's what I need in my life!
It turns out there's a model named Taylor H.. That page lists a height and weight that are both exactly the same as Taylor's from Sting 26.2.
(Although that's probably a content farm and most pages for the model show a lower weight.)
I don't know if it's ever explained, but it seems reasonable to guess that the electricity in the nervous system is far too weak to damage her.