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Can't you hear it ? It's the sound of Lord loading a Cherkov gun.
You can do both at the same time. Pity the girls because they are victims. Hate them because they are assholes.
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Can't you hear it ? It's the sound of Lord loading a Cherkov gun.
You can do both at the same time. Pity the girls because they are victims. Hate them because they are assholes.
It might be because I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of any murder-hobo groups in general but I'm having trouble thinking of any murder-hobos that would be susceptible to that solution to the problem of their continued existence.
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Because if getting a gun in Worm USA is as easy as it is in RL USA, canon Taylor would've bought one for herself by the time she was Skitter. /s
Jokes aside though, this has been discussed countless times in-thread. TLDR: people don't normally bring guns to fights because guns escalate things. There is no such thing is a gun that isn't deadly, and parahuman or not, people are wary of breaking the Unwritten Rules that flagrantly. Just note Joe's reaction to hearing Lisa bring a gun to the bank job for context.
So what I'm hearing is that Garment is the main attraction while Parian is just a sideshow? Oof, hope no one makes that comparison within earshot.
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Of course. It hits harder as people often are more familiar with bullying than random person #21's near fatal injury caused by Shadow Stalker. Of course this could turn around if Wildbow had made a scene or two of that random mook's perspective and their panic and dread from the experience. Plus points if that injury would have had a profound effect on the story.
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I mean. Not to quibble with you on it, but if you don't have the context of Sophia's actions (and even sometimes if you do), the locker looks like an attempt to torture a girl to death via infection. Not saying you don't have a point, but the locker girl thing specifically really looks like a murder attempt.
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It doesn't just look like a murder attempt, it is one. And could be considered as such even without the hazardous biological waste.
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There's also the fact that unlike Parian, Garment never appears in need of resources in the public. Parian has to go out and sell her services, so you get her in parties and mall events, which in turn makes her seem cheap and ordinary.
But Garment? Garment literally debuted like a fashion goddess bestowing ribbons to criminals and amazing clothing to every civilian she came across. Whoever has interacted with her knows firsthand of her endless generosity. And that alone wouldn't seem enough, but then you get everything else - her Youtube channel implies having a fully outfitted studio, the tinker clothing implies a state of the art fabric lab. She has the backing of a mysterious and talented musician, and even her lawyer could be a top tier model in between terrorizing anyone who crosses Garment's path as well as organizing large scale events.
Simply put Parian is just a cape, but Garment? In the fashion world, she is clearly beyond that. She is awesome in the ancient meaning of the word, and she is seemingly omnipotent in whatever she does. Of course, Parian is just a sideshow - as LR pointed out, in the world of fashion, Garment Gloves is the Apeiron. She's the overpowered fashion artist that all other fashion artists could only chase from afar but never catch because she is just that amazing.
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According to the quote I dug up last page, either the police were investigating it as attempted murder before the PRT took over or Sophia also tried to murder a different student at around the same time and had that covered up too.
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About the locker.
I'm unsure how many of the Trio was aware of it. Anyway, those who was aware of it probably didn't realize how toxic and dangerous it would be for the one trapped. So maybe it would be homicide or manslaughter. Hm. *checks laws.* On one side they say that if one tries to do bodily harm, (which they did and wanted), and then if the victim dies then its murder. Just like you people said. On the other side is manslaughter more accidental. That said, might be different in different states, websites and Earths.
That would be cause Parian suggested the event to sabotage Garment since she thought there wouldn't be enough time to organise anything decent so she's letting Garment take the stage so that when the event flops the fallout will be on her. Except that Survey and Joe are actually good enough to get it done on time.
You would be surprised its one of the things people forget but aside from knowing Sophia has killed a handful of people, the locker, putting the bolt into Grue's gut and the one she left pinned to a wall who either died or nearly died which is what got the prt after her she has other stuff. When Taylor is out with Brain and Sophia sees them and gets rejected by him she follows Taylor into a store, atks her and does something like rip an earring out of Taylor's ear before letting Taylor take the blame since she spoke to the owner before moving to the back to do it. The main one tho is after Levi since Skitter had seen her unmasked Skitter shows herself and Sophia breaks off and goes after her before running her dowm, flooring her and trying to slit her throat with a crossbow bolt. I think the latter is from Sophia's pov but the former isn't.
The fact is though that random gang members have guns, we know this Taylor was shot at in canon. Then you can think about how random police officers also have guns. Now the whole prt and normal police split would lower it random villains would run into police officers who would be trying to stop them. Are you going to tell me a unpowered gang member or police officer with a gun isn't going to shot the literal superhero/villain who is fighting them? If you do I think that you are over estimating that person's self control. Really I think that the most unrealistic part of worm is that they seem to have the whole no kill rule. The only solution that I can see to the whole thing is that cauldron which wants as many parahuman alive as possible has a path that lowers cape deaths that contesta regularly runs because otherwise capes that don't have some way to not die from a stray bullet would drop like flys.
I'd imagine it would count as a homicide, since while they didn't intend for murder they did attempt to harm her (you'd have to have the intelligence of a stereotypical comic thug to not realise that the stuff in the locker left to stew over an entire half term would be bad for a human, and Sophia is a member of the track team, which I think would need good grades -and I doubt she just gets other people to do her work for her, if she does at all).
Though given Emma's dad is a lawyer and Sophia's a Ward they could probably get away with Manslaughter (though I'm not sure if Madison would also be able to get it, since while she's part of "The Trio" Emma's dad might not be able to or want to help Madison)
Sophia is also a ward who do have minimum education requirements. In terms of legal consequences the problem they'd really face is Sophia's probation because aside from it in general she specifically only got it cause of Emma acting as a character witness. If they do get even suspected on the locker or other stuff from Winslow being investigated to my understanding the prt can just freely examine Sophia's stuff like her phone which consider in canon she was dumb enough to take on patrols full of incriminating evidence only hidden behind her password. Plus of course most of their hanger ons will probably turn on them for their 5 mins of fame or to save themselves for their parts in it.
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As I hinted at I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of Worm and as such seemed to made a mistake. Still that's at least a nigh Immunity to getting one-shotted which is still more than most have.
Over-reliance? As far as I know his Shard was so subtle that even he didn't realize that that was his main ability.
I assumed that instead of Sarahs: "That Guy sneezes while covering his mouth with his Hand while raising his pinky his Bankcode is: 4819" or other similar Shard related Bullshit that Jacobs is so subtle and in reliance of him actually gathering Data that even after Decades of hunting down Parahumans it was simply and subtly a vast extension of his own analytical abilitys.
Couple that with the fact that he grew up with his Powers (his mind and thought process presumably somewhat adapting to them, like Taylor's Brain has to hers) and his Shard apparently loving him and his usage (and thus supporting him in any way possible probably going to entirely unprecedented Heights when going against the walking Seechen Range Apeiron), then Yeah I believe that the Guy who nearly perfected Parahuman Serial Killing will probably not be a one and done deal.
I highly doubt that there are many Parahumans in Existence left who will not view Joe as a serious threat, sure everyone will still underestimate him because he holds back quite a bit, but forcing Joe to use Technology he isn't comfortable with is already a huge deal and probably exactly the kind of thing Jack wants to pressure Joe into.
I'm quite sure that Lord himself mentioned that there was a relatively high chance for the ABB to have won the Ungodly Hour even because of something a simple as Joe refusing to take the nuclear firestorm approach the second his nigh indestructible Tech was demolished. Joe is at this Moment only nigh unkillable, but Jacob will still have won if he forces Joe to stitch his Sisters Corpses together to revive them or something equally deranged.
I think you misread my post. I said that Sophia is immune to pretty much anything except for Sting, Stilling etc.
Aside from the fact that in Canon Bonesaw cloned already dead Parahumans, I don't actually think Joe will kill March. He has lots of ways of permanently neutralizing her as a threat or takes her in for study for making an Anti-Scion Weapon.
That was Canon where literally no one was even a somewhat invincible figure. Jack had plenty of reason to be overconfident.
Joe was only injured by a perfectly executed quasi-Suicide Annihilator Attack.
That exudes Strength on a whole other level and with the help of Bonesaw and Mannequin I'm very sure that we'll see a discount Slaughterhouse 9000 only also with amped up Extras (minor Parahumans that have suspiciously going missing) they picked up on the way.
And Joe will likely not go all-out from the start.
Even faced with Marchs beyond Endbringer Threat and only surrounded by the Core Members of the Gang full of Rapist, Murderers and Human Traffickers Joe still held back because he did not want to kill them.
Because she got constantly reminded of how much of a great Time she had with Taylor and how she didn't need to pretend to be someone she isn't or thinks she wants to be and simply could be herself.
Add to that the fact that she apparently wanted to lessen the bullying and at least for me makes it seem like the current Emma is just a pathetic traumatized girl who even when spending time with her badass hero/savior still reminisces fondly (unconsciously) of her time spent with her real best friend.
The Intent matters here though.
As far as I know they didn't attempt to murder Taylor they simply wanted to teach a 'weakling' a lesson by pushing her into disgusting stuff and letting her rot there. Sure they are arrogant and delusional, but they are not blinded to the extent they believe they can get away with actual murder (that's of course not mentioning all the People who covered it up and very likely knew what could have happened).
Sure legally speaking it's a big difference, but for them it simply was a prank.
Most don't call it attempted murder when a 4 year old pushes someones face into mud and holds them down or forces someone to eat disgusting stuff they found, even though the exact Argument could be made considering each Example can lead to Death even when it was performed by minors.
Should they have known better? God Yes.
Does it change them from being anything else but pathetic broken traumatized children who need to push someone down to feel better about their own insignificant Existence? Not in any way, shape or form.
I personally simply dislike the whole Fanon overblown hate against the Trio.
Sure they're moronic idiots, but some people seem to be capable of writing whole Essays on why and how they deserve a Visit from Bonesaw.
And comparing them to Joker? One of fictions most infamous serial killers seems just far fetched to me.
But the unwritten rules are only for capes. Nothing stops any Random from the Street to just shoot Hookwolf in the Head with a full magazine while he is still Human.
Though an Argument can be made on how the concept of Human vs Parahuman has been made so ludicrous (probably Cauldron and their living Plot-Device) that the non-parahumans see it as futile and that rather join the PRT when they actually want to go against Parahumans in any meaningful manner.
I distinctly remember that Leecifers Abaddon Born(e) made a pretty good point about how such a Dynamic seems ludicrous to most. Though how much influence/combatibility a completely different Fanfic has on Lords work is of course debatable.
To chip in most "analyses" or other stuff I've seen that involve the locker incident tend to over exaggerated it at times we know from Wildbow Here that Taylor was stuck in the locker for about one hour to one hour and 15 minutes with not enough space to move at most she was stuck in there with her vomit with no injuries at all. The "toxic shock" is biggest known fanon that got debunk many times, now I'm not saying what happened to Taylor was not terrible, it was and it's incredibly cruel from the bullies could turn out worse? Maybe but the issue is in-universe it was never treated as attempt of murder(another fanon) or anything but an extremely cruel prank that went wrong that ended up traumatizing a victim which should resulted those involve being put on trial and sent to juvie at worst or at best be put in community service or in parole. tho if Sophia was known as one of the causes of the incident that would have been an immediate shot back to Juvie with her spot in the Wards revoke.
But these are just my thoughts on what I can extrapolate from the source Wildbow provided, imo I think Wildbow just wanted to portray Taylor's trigger event conditions that resulted in having master powers through a cruel act from her bullies that serve to traumatize instead of actually be seen an attempt to kill the victim but that's my assumptions(well not exactly it more from those that know worm lore) don't take it as fact
But these are just my thoughts on what I can extrapolate from the source Wildbow provided, imo I think Wildbow just wanted to portray Taylor's trigger event conditions that resulted in having master powers through a cruel act from her bullies that serve to traumatize instead of actually be seen an attempt to kill the victim but that's my assumptions(well not exactly it more from those that know worm lore) don't take it as fact
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Or the konami code, doom's god mode and other similar things
I can't help but find humor in someone using an alien super computer to send game codes which require either high tech computer software or another eldritch super computer to translate/detect.
Reading this interlude makes me wonder, is this setting up a possible meeting between joe and emma at the event? where they introduce themselves to each other, only for joe's thinker power to be filled with distaste and perhaps hate, causing joe to investigate, finding out she caused Taylor's trigger? It would give Taylor something to do I think as she isn't up to much right now, or at the very least, joe would likely want to check up on her.
I mean there is. Fear of retaliation, actual law, fear/freezing up etc
Yeeees...Jack doesn't know that his hunches and ability to talk parahumans around comes from the shard, and are not in fact his own talents. I'm not sure how it should contradict him being over-reliant on them.
Yeees... His power do not give him the answers like Lisa's do. It gives bad or good felling about stuff, that Slash just assumes as being his hunch. And Jacob then acts upon those hunches. No analytical abilities needed. I'm not saying that he has none. But I'm saying that for most of his life his analytic skills had a crutch in which he believed blindly and from which he has never grown out off. And when this crutch fails, and he is not even aware of its existence, let alone that it failed, his abilities will not be even close to as sharp as they're supposed to be after all those years.
Yeees...he is, with his Shard, quite good with killing parahumans. I have no idea why you're saying this in discussion about Jack going against non-parahuman.
Edit: Whoops, got it now. You're saying that Jack's lifetime of experience against parahumans, along with his Shard support, will somehow allow him to be a bigger threat than others. While this idea has bits of truth, allow me to say something: a lifetime of fishing and a good fishing rod ain't that helpfully against Megalodon. Gods, this is a stupid analogy.
Okaaayyy... Firstly, you're underestimating how much everyone underestimating Apeiron. I doubt that even in everyone's wildest nightmares, they would think of him as god with power of star at disposal.
Secondly, yeeess, Jack wanting Apeiron to go against his code is one of the plans he might concoct (I implied it under "corrupt Apeiron" in my original comment). And he will fail at this plan, because of numerous reasons. Like lack of information on what kind of Technology Ape is both capable of and what of it he is comfortable or not. I presume when giving that example, you used what Bonesaw did with Panacea as a base. But the difference is, Amy is a known quantity, the ability of which can be analysed with enough experience in filed (Which Riley had). But Apeiron is just a Big Dumb Question Mark, and the more experience with parahumans you have, the Bigger and Dumber the question mark becomes.
You right. Joe would have lost if not for the miracle. Miracle being - March was dumb enough to showboat execution of a dangerous foe. Let me say you something. Joe did not defeat March. March's own overconfidence defeated her. And I mentioned her in my post, because I'm absolute sure that same thing will happen with Jack. He will be the lone reason of his own undoing.
Also, how Jacob would force Joe to do anything? Hostages? Ask Bakuda how well it worked last time. Threat of a plage from Bonesaw? Ah yes, very scary, Apeiron will be shivering in between making thousands of different types of cures, figuring out hundreds of ways to prevent the spread and sending the whole Forge on their asses (Demigod of war included). Use Cheshire to mind control Undersiders and lure Ape out to control him? "Joe, watch detects abnormalities in Alec's nerve system, with other signs of active Master effect." - moment later closest to Aleck door opens up, and out is good half of CF, ready to ignore all Master effects and bust some asses. Threat of sending Crawler on a rampage? "What Crawler? Are you talking about this beautiful pile of leaves?" (Reference to Lord's WoG about alchemy from Samurai Jack being fully capable of turning Crawler into a pile of leaves) Threat of sending Siberian on a rampage? Again, send the whole Forge on their asses, Manton will not know what hit him. Threaten to send whole Nine on a rampage while Bonesaw holds a vial of the deadliest pathogens above thousands of hostages? Well, first of all, how de feck Survey missed 9 getting thousands of hostages??? Second of all, again travelling object - Celestial Forge team, the goal - their asses. This time, first one to get a visit from god - little girl named Riley.
I think I had way too much fun if those stupid examples.... Anyway, Jacob can't force Joe to do shit, and even I don't think that Slash stupid enough to think otherwise. I myself think that s9 will try to discredit Ape in the eyes of the world using his presumed instability as a mad tinker. And then they will say something like: "World hate you. World hate us. Let's vibe." - and go together to the sunset, with their new murder friend. (Disclaimer:This plan is a joke, not me seriously thinking that how it will go.)
And they will fail at that joke plan. Like any other. Because whatever they know about Apeiron, their info is either three days old, so far from the truth that it's not even in the same dimension, or both. Also, because Survey will probably detect them before they will even cross the boarder of New Hampshire state (or wherever BB is), after which CF will be fully ready for nine's shenanigans.
Don't get me wrong. I do think that S9 is a big potential threat (not so much Jack on his own). I just don't thing that their attempt to bring that potential to life will succeed. Too much staked against them.
The point of my original post was that I think that Jack will be his own executioner. And then I wrote all this. Eh. Thank you to whoever would actually read it all, you miserable soul.
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Earlier asked Joe Taylor if he could help her with anything outside of cape life. Then said Taylor to him that he couldn't help her with her 'school stuff.'
As for why Taylor could be there it could be everything from boredom, wanting to see the city to recover to Danny's friends asks his help to volunteer. What reason did Taylor have to be in that mall incident in canon?
With Survey and all the scanners there its nigh impossible for her to miss Emma if she meets Taylor and decides to bully her. It certainly creates an opportunity to introduce Joe to Taylor's not-tinker-solvable-problem.Chapter 35 said:
As for why Taylor could be there it could be everything from boredom, wanting to see the city to recover to Danny's friends asks his help to volunteer. What reason did Taylor have to be in that mall incident in canon?
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Wouldn't electricity interfere with her arrows in the same way it interferes with her own phasing power though?
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Yes and no. I'd assume that it would fuck with the phasing effect, but since crossbow bolts lack nervous or cardiovascular systems (the primary ways that electricity fucks with humans) I don't think it would be as debilitating to a bolt as it is to Sophia.