I would argue that the dynakinesis would be the most valuable due to its versatility.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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Ehhhhh.... this seems to happen often enough that it might be worth formally dividing 20% time into "the ongoing medium-priority project" and "actually exploring new things" [maybe giving them a combined total of over 20%]
Amdar210
I. AM. MUSHROOM.
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Fair enough. I can see where your coming from. I think part of my irritation is that we seem to be crawling in terms of in story speed. That along side the knowledge that Dinah is a prisoner makes it seem like Joe has been ignoring her for far longer than the in story time.
Hence my dislike.
I'll try to keep a more open mind on this.
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Joe's passivity is something he's going to work on for far longer. It's one of his central flaws, so I doubt this will really fix that.
What I want out of this is to jolt him out of the assumption that just because he saved them, people like Tattletale are not automatically working with his best interests in mind. His blind trust in her in his attempt to be 'Decent and Understanding' needs to go.
The main issue is that Joe had a semi-active hand in making this happen. And then shut his eyes and ears in that direction entirely.
One can't bear the responsibility of the whole world and its issues, but when something kicks you in the nuts and you know you had a hand in it, it can get ugly, especially for someone with Joe's issues.
Also, the amount of effort he'd have needed to have fixed this was so negligible that Joe's going to feel extra bad.
No, that excuse doesn't fly. And I already said why.
She already made the connection between Dinah and the heist when Joe brought it up, back when March was not in the picture. Not to mention the time in between the ABB doing anything at all. She was working on Coil then.
And even assuming she did absolutely nothing with her power while thinking on Coil for whatever reason all this time. The last few days should have had her focused on Coil's operation and the Travelers as a secondary part of Coil by extension.
I can't give Lisa the benefit of the doubt. She even admits she's dragging her feet on coil during the meeting because she doesn't feel in control.
I honestly don't expected an immediate resolution or to be fix since it been 2-3 weeks in- universe it just gets frustrating at times and I do understand why he's like that but I think I and others are probably being affected by the pacing a bit tho I've seen some argument that bring up point that Joe is getting powers telling him to overcome it or finally deal with it. Anyway again I don't expect immediate changes just expressing my opinion over the matter.
I totally agree with this, also Joe should trust less his passenger opinion on them
MagicalAmbitions
the rose in your vase
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energy is power, that much is true, but electricity isn't the kind of power that is required to defeat the endbringers and thusly the whole "he fought Lung to a stand-still and then merked him when he was 'fight an endbringer to a stand-still' size" thing is probably the more convincing reason for all world governments to bend the knee.
yes, the dyson sphere would be the most pressing thing in Our World, but contextually, Earth Bet receiving the energy of a Dyson Sphere only boosts the already insurmountable power-level of Behemoth, the dynakinetic kaiju monster which is only one of several kaiju monsters slowly destroying the entire world faster than it can rebuild itself. Arguably also boosts leviathan's potential for lethality, as water is famously an excellent conductor of electricity, and electricity is famously lethal to organic creatures.
problem with this: if you harvest the entirety of the material components of a star, you no longer have a star. you have a lot of helium and hydrogen and potentially other elements that are probably not undergoing nuclear fusion and therefore producing energy anymore. fully utilizing the material components of the star and fully utilizing the energy output of the star are the same thing. the energy output of the star relies on the material components being there, doing their thing (nuclear fusion). moreover, as other people have already pointed out, the kardashev scale is measured based on energy utilization alone.
i would like to re-introduce my pet theory that i posted many, many months ago in this thread: Joe x Scion is the only viable endgame ship based on power-level (Joe holds unimaginable power over anyone he wants to enter a relationship and therefore would be innately coercive to them by no fault of his own, excepting Scion, potentially the only character who could theoretically beat him at this point) and also every other social convention (everyone else who could conceivably match Joe's power level and thusly be an actual equal to him is either a child or his own creation)
the duplicates would still be using the latter category to work on the former priority as desired, because it is Their Time, and choosing what they should do with it for them runs counter to the spirit of giving it to them.
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Considering which universe the Neathy Colors are from, this can be pretty accurate. The Blue Fire can't sniff you out and hunt you down if you don't know about the Courtesy Between Stars.
maybe but this seems more like a result of a failure to allocate a consistent amount of "non-20%" time to it, combined with a genuine desire [from him, which becomes the clones] to make sure that it gets done.
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You know, this and the dozen people looking to harvest Endbringer cores for Teigu creation, I should point out you are still thinking too small.
There is a dead Entity laying around already.
I don't think Joe knows about that yet right? And it's too specific of a thing for his Passenger to tell him about
Jordisk
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Joe doesn't even know Entities are a thing, much less that there is a (mostly) dead one on an alternate Earth that he could yoink.
Joe has access to literal fucking Shardspace.
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I was under the impression that an Entity is a collection of shards, and Teigu require a single creature to
But then again I'm just taking the word of the people here, I'm not familiar with the Teigu source series.
Edit: And I don't know enough about Ward either for that matter.
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Teigu have the properties of whatever they're made of and Shards have the property of being able to merge with other Shards, and presumably other organisms in general, so this should specifically not be a problem in this exact case.
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Jezus, fuck... There is NO DYSON SPHERE!
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I'm pretty sure Shards/Entities are like a Hivemind, like Scion was one Shard and in control, but it could have been QA or even Simurgh instead
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Except Joe says at the end of the cgapter that he does in fact have one. So either he was being hyperbolical or Lord fanwanked. Either way, it makes sense for people to assume there actually is one.
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It's obvious hyperbole because as I pointed out, the perk does not say the Jumper gets a Dyson Sphere, but POWER of one. And it has to be like that, because if the Jumper got a Dyson Sphere, and could get there, not only he would get unlimited power, but also unlimited resources, which this perk is not about. And PR perks are very specific in what they give.
ExploerTM
Ruin has found you at last!
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Its unreachable prop in the sky or Joe can make windows to look at it, end of debate. This way he both has and doesnt have the damn thing
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Jordisk
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As you are not the author, we cannot take your word as WoG. Personally, I like @ExploerTM's idea. Maybe, with enough expansions, the whole workshop will go through another major restructuring (it has happened before) and the volcano will end up sitting on the inside of the Dyson Sphere, which will be a whole four pi AU squared in surface area (literally 4*pi*radius squared, with radius of 1 AU, is 4 pi AU squared) or something ridiculous like that. The two water features that he recently got will be nearby, and the "entrance hall" will actually be a proper building, holding both the exit to outside, and the door to the rest of the volcano, instead of him having two (or is it three?) distinct extradimensional spaces.
Fun fact, a world that exists on the inside of a Dyson Sphere is, by the strictest definition, a K2 civ by default, regardless of actual technology level. It is just that most of that energy is used for automated agriculture and weather-manipulation, rather than more "technological" purposes.
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The perk is probably not intended to give one, and probably doesn't, but there is enough wiggle room in the wording to give him one if the author wants to. Depends on how literally you interpret the wording; You can't be hooked into the full power of a Dyson Sphere if you don't have a Dyson Sphere to hook into after all. Otherwise, the perk should have been more specific and said "...your Personal Reality is now hooked up to the full power equivalent of a Sol-Class Star encased in a Dyson Sphere." or similar phrasing that makes it more clear that there is no sphere, just the power production equivalent.
Cave_Canem
Miniature Cyberwolf
That and it's a fairly high-point perk, which Lord has consistently tried to make worth their point cost. Just the power alone really wouldn't be, as others have pointed out he can already make Divine Enchanted Perfect Fusion Reactors and wasn't desperate for more base power.
Not a 600 point one so won't have quite the generous interpretation they get, but part of the point is having a bunch of different perks explored, and without that, despite the scale of it the perk is largely irrelevant.
Lord is the only one that can really say either way though.
(Portable power for the motoroids, yes, though even there he has better options than the Call Bead now)
Narsauce
The Crucible Shitlord
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Also, Lord tends to base his generosity on what perks give based on the cost of the perks themselves. Given that the perk is a 400-point perk, it's equally likely that Joe has a Dyson Sphere in the sky that is feeding him energy as it is that he doesn't and just has a very strange power outlet. Either way, it's not really like Joe can upgrade a whole Dyson Sphere by himself or disassemble a star by himself. Lord did say a while back that building megastructures like that takes a damn long time and would probably cut a good chunk out of Joe's time, even if he got Mixing Mixtures for the extra duplicates and the last production speed perks.
Honestly, if he wanted to rebuild a star/Dyson sphere, he's probably better letting The Matrix do it. It won't be as good as his own work, but exponential growth in Nanites can make for light work, even for something of that scale.
Honestly, if he wanted to rebuild a star/Dyson sphere, he's probably better letting The Matrix do it. It won't be as good as his own work, but exponential growth in Nanites can make for light work, even for something of that scale.
He could probably do it once he gets that time dilation perk (and the one that allows him to actually be in the Workshop while it's active -personally think that's bullshit by the way, unless the Jumper/Joe isn't counted by the first perks restrictions), but he's probably have to link his mind/soul (and the duplicates) to the throne while doing it, so that when he's planning and thinking it doesn't take as much time
Ironically, because Joe has "Always a Bigger Robot" a Dyson Sphere is neither the biggest robot he can make, not powerful enough to power the biggest robot he can make. Which leads to the following ...
If Joe can get this he would be given enough energy to keep up with the amount of energy Spiral uses to power STTGL which is actually higher than UWS. I don't have the necessary physics background to calculate this, but napkin math tells me this much energy is equivalent to (x ^ y) + z where x is equal to infinite amount of energy in 11 dimensional space, y is equal to 1. 0 repeating 1 and z is equivalent to infinity to the second power. This much energy would be supplied continuously meaning Zeno's paradox would raise the the exponential value of y infinitely.
TLDR. Joe would be receiving infinite power, raised to infinity, times infinity, plus infinity, simply because his workshop would be trying to match Spiral.