Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Just a thought. Let's say that during the period of Worms how long timeskip Joe gets a long period of free time to work on projects. He decides to turn the Dyson Sphere into a Spiritron Matrioshka Brain. How powerful would it be and what kind of bullshit do you think he could accomplish with it?

At some point, you get so bullshit the only answer to "what can you do" is "yes". I'm pretty sure a Matrioschka spiritron brain is well past that point.

Althrough the size of the dyson sphere would make such project near impossible, even with Joe's "crafting time is for others" perk. Stars are big.

Sort of like having an NFT, only it's actually useful.

Touché
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Noelle ceased to matter to Joe for another basic reason the Hindu Cyborg Godbody. Per wog Amy and such abilities will throw their hands up and give up on understanding or copying his body but more than that the body has undergone a brief upgrade. Lung Bone Steel and Weld's selective manton limit are standard things used in everything to the point they don't get mentioned cause of it. Noelle can't clone weld cause of this ability in canon he was key in the fight cause he could touch her without being cloned or pulled in and so could dig the capes out of her.

This means Noelle can't clone Joe cause he has this property same with Fleet, Matrix and Survey whose bodies were made with it and then the problems with Tybalt, Aisha, Garment and Avid and Noelle's threat basically boils down to any rampage starts with other people around and could do big collateral since Noelle isn't even the durable type of brute but the high speed regen but has a core one.
 
It's obvious hyperbole because as I pointed out, the perk does not say the Jumper gets a Dyson Sphere, but POWER of one. And it has to be like that, because if the Jumper got a Dyson Sphere, and could get there, not only he would get unlimited power, but also unlimited resources, which this perk is not about. And PR perks are very specific in what they give.
if you factor in the potential for matter <-> energy conversion there is no functional difference between unlimited power and unlimited resources
 
Saying that Noelle does not matter to Joe, because she can't clone him, is kinda like saying that a meteor that soon will hit Metropolis does not matter to Superman, because it won't hurt him.

Anyway, we should not forget that Noelle isn't alone. According to Lord's WoG Travelers see Apeiron as their last hope and if said hope will show sights of aggression towards them, they will go ballistic (pun intended). In cannon, Trickster alone managed to get Echidna to a catastrophe level. If all Travelers supported Noelle in her rampage, the chances of CF not stopping them in time before the city goes boom, are too much to ignore.

Also, Butcher in town. What would even happen if Butcher get Echidnaed? Or if Noelle get Butchered? Wait, one of those is actually a word.
 
if you factor in the potential for matter <-> energy conversion there is no functional difference between unlimited power and unlimited resources
They'd also need some sort of ability, for example what you suggested, or tech specifically for harvesting resources from stars to get any resources from it anyway, and to use the ability they'd probably also need to be able to resist the unmatched power of the sun (Something even Silly Billy could not so how could a mere Jumper do it?)
 
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According to Ao3 WOG, the Dyson Sphere does exist... but it exists in the way background details of a videogame level exist. It's there, but Joe can't interact with it.

Yep, just like I expected. Still would be fun for someone to find out that Joe has a goddamn volcano as a secret lair only to climb outside and fine mfking Dyson Sphere hanging in the sky.

Ah, it such a shame that I think Lord has WoG that Aisha was first and last parahuman to enter Workshop. Or I am going insane. Eh, one or the other
 
Poor Dinah? Let me ask you, when did you last hear of Browbeat?
Precisely eleven chapters ago in 68.1 Interlude Missy. I just realized, why is "Missy" her actual name? "Missy" feels like a nickname a shopkeep gives to a precocious youth, not someone's actual first name.

Ah, it such a shame that I think Lord has WoG that Aisha was first and last parahuman to enter Workshop. Or I am going insane. Eh, one or the other
If I recall, Lord has said in previous WOGs that Joe might invite other parahumans into his workshop in case of an Endbringer or similar threat. For either equipping or bunkering down. Now I'm just imagining the Undersiders getting ready to fight Leviathan and then Joe picks them all up by the scruffs of their necks and locks them inside his volcano-dyson sphere hideout in Somewhere Else Land.
 
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Precisely eleven chapters ago in 68.1 Interlude Missy. I just realized, why is "Missy" her actual name? "Missy" feels like a nickname a shopkeep gives to a precocious youth, not someone's actual first name.
Well her parents are horrible so she might just have one of those names in the same league as La-sha pronounced (la-dash-sha) yes the dash is not silent. You know those poor souls whose name's are not a real name or even athe name is an active negative.
 
If I recall, Lord has said in previous WOGs that Joe might invite other parahumans into his workshop in case of an Endbringer or similar threat. For either equipping or bunkering down. Now I'm just imagining the Undersiders getting ready to fight Leviathan and then Joe picks them all up by the scruffs of their necks and locks them inside his volcano-dyson sphere hideout in Somewhere Else Land.
I believe that I mentioned that Joe should equip the Undersiders watches with some deployable doorways that can link to Joes Workshop for emergency extractions at some point but if Joe's going to bring refugees into his Workshop he should totally Pokeball them and Matrix them for ease of storage.

Edit: also should Joe make a Teigu based off of Velocity at some point? I just feel like some physical/temporal acceleration ability would be worth it even if there weren't several ways around the reduction on interaction with the environment.

There's also clone-producers, like Prism, and people with temporal effects, like Clockblocker or Perdition, that would probably be good to have.

Edit: also Shakers like Barrow or Ogun; they'd be able to make places interesting.

Edit: other Shakers like Rune would also be useful; literally just throw things together. There's also Scrub since being able to blow holes in creation would probably make some projects easier. It'd also be good as a form of defense.
 
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I believe that I mentioned that Joe should equip the Undersiders watches with some deployable doorways that can link to Joes Workshop for emergency extractions at some point but if Joe's going to bring refugees into his Workshop he should totally Pokeball them and Matrix them for ease of storage.
For some reason, i feel that Joe may have ethical issues doing that.
 
For some reason, i feel that Joe may have ethical issues doing that.
I don't see why; they'd be in good condition mentally and physically.

Edit: Floretand Gasconade would be decent Parahumans to use to make Teigu out of; one can make nanomechanical crystal growth and the other can revert causes and effects in ways that Joe still has a bit of trouble with. Gray Boy might also be pretty good material since he's able to mess with causality; Joe would also not need to keep him alive afterwards either since he's sufficiently bastardous.

There's also Queen Of Swords who can access other Parahumans abilities and apply their effects to and via objects pretty arbitrarily; it might be worth it to get a Teigu made out of her and/or with her assistance.

Relatedly Joe could totally take out a persons Corona Pollentia, upgrade it with Teigu skills, and put it right back into peoples heads to increase their ability to use them while also getting some resources out of Workaholic. That or he could presumably make a drinkable Teigu to achieve the same effect. Making a parasite able act as a interface with their Shard would probably be the best option there.
 
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I don't see why; they'd be in good condition mentally and physically.

Edit: Floretand Gasconade would be decent Parahumans to use to make Teigu out of; one can make nanomechanical crystal growth and the other can revert causes and effects in ways that Joe still has a bit of trouble with. Gray Boy might also be pretty good material since he's able to mess with causality; Joe would also not need to keep him alive afterwards either since he's sufficiently bastardous.

There's also Queen Of Swords who can access other Parahumans abilities and apply their effects to and via objects pretty arbitrarily; it might be worth it to get a Teigu made out of her and/or with her assistance.

Relatedly Joe could totally take out a persons Corona Pollentia, upgrade it with Teigu skills, and put it right back into peoples heads to increase their ability to use them while also getting some resources out of Workaholic. That or he could presumably make a drinkable Teigu to achieve the same effect. Making a parasite able act as a interface with their Shard would probably be the best option there.
You do realize that making Teigus requires the death of the parahuman/creature in question, yes? Joe is not in the kind of headspace where he can justify to himself or others the death of several parahumans just to make neato mystical artifacts.
 
My brother in Christ, I pray that you grasp this, before it is too late for you, it is better to die standing than live kneeling, all true heros understand this, from Prometheus to Christ. No matter how perfect the paradise you create, man will rage against it as the prison it is.
Then get a fully automatic and eject their Mechashift life-support pods back into whatever disaster they were seeking refuge from.
You do realize that making Teigus requires the death of the parahuman/creature in question, yes? Joe is not in the kind of headspace where he can justify to himself or others the death of several parahumans just to make neato mystical artifacts.
That sounds like the sort of pathetic assertion that Joe has long-since moved beyond by now.

Edit: or alternatively he could make it irrelevant by undoing their deaths.

Edit: relatedly do you meet up with the other people who say shit like that or something? Because I've seen the whole "No no no [awesome thing] can't happen because [process] requires [terrible thing]! And [terrible thing] has to happen because [blank/assertion]!" argument made a few times before.
 
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Then get a fully automatic and eject their Mechashift life-support pods back into whatever disaster they were seeking refuge from.

That sounds like the sort of pathetic assertion that Joe has long-since moved beyond by now.

Edit: or alternatively he could make it irrelevant by undoing their deaths.

Edit: relatedly do you meet up with the other people who say shit like that or something? Because I've seen the whole "No no no [awesome thing] can't happen because [process] requires [terrible thing]! And [terrible thing] has to happen because [blank/assertion]!" argument made a few times before.
Did you... even read the latest chapter? Joe notes that he could do that, at no point did he say he will. In fact he outright states he not going to take that route.

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Emphasis the bolded part.

I swallowed. That was the most brutal and visceral part of this ability. It was easy to think of the creatures that provided components for Teigu as mindless beasts, and sometimes they were, but often enough they had a sapient, if monstrous, intelligence. Taking away the monstrous form and it became clear exactly what you were doing. A power like this, in the hands of someone more ruthless, could be a nightmare in the making.

I wasn't planning to take that route, but I could see the mechanics of it. Changers or monstrous capes could have altered body parts integrated directly into a Teigu. For 'normal' parahumans the options were more limited. The Corona Pollentia and related neural tissue could provide a link to the parahuman's power that could be integrated into an object type Teigu. Expansive reprocessing could lead to the creation of organism Teigu that would bear an expression of their parahuman abilities. That was so close to my original trigger the mere thought turned my stomach, and the following one wasn't much better.
 
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Did you... even read the latest chapter? Joe notes that he could do that, at no point did he say he will. In fact he outright states he not going to take that route.

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Emphasis the bolded part.
He wasn't planning to treat Parahumans like the makers of Teigu treated Danger Beasts; there are a good number of ways that he can get materials out of Parahumans without doing that.

For that matter he could probably do the same with inactive Corona Pollentia as well; it'd still presumably require the relevant Shard to latch onto it but Joe would presumably be able to move it around and improve it in various ways.

Edit: Joe could presumably use parts from Doormaker and Clairvoyant so that they didn't need to use their powers on the behalf of others come to think of it.

Also less relatedly Dragon has some wetware processors in her suits for some reason probably relating to logistics, her Chains, or her powers; he could presumably take one or more of those apart for resources.
 
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The names and descriptions for those last two powers are hilarious.

Also, this whole situation with Tattletale is bad. Why? Because she knows that Dinah was kidnapped and is now being abused. Joe is trusting her again and again to not so much as even look in coil's direction.

Joe will eventually find out what happened, and that Tattletale still didn't tell him. He takes what happened at the bank heist to be partly his fault. That fault is going to get compounded when he realizes he facilitied kidnap and abuse/torture/rape(Coil is a sick bastard, you never know) of a child and Lisa knew, but didn't tell him because it wasn't convenient for her.

Honestly, Survey could do a far better job at this than Lisa. The fact that he's trusting her so much should have appropriate ramifications.

Edit: Whoops, wrote Missy instead of Dinah. I fucking forgot her name lol.

Lisa's segments made pretty clear that she didn't tell Joe at first because she didn't think he could actually handle the entire situation that is Coil.
Later, when she realized he probably could handle all but one aspect of it all, she was a little worried by how his mentality/thought process kept changing as his powers grew, meaning she couldn't figure out what his plan/reaction might be...
and she was completely terrified of that one aspect Apeiron might not be able to handle, named Noelle, absorbing Joe and spitting out evil copies of him.
If Joe's power wasn't so out of context, she'd be right, and because it's so out of context, she has no way of correcting her position, or even knowing she should until after the fact.
 
He wasn't planning to treat Parahumans like the makers of Teigu treated Danger Beasts; there are a good number of ways that he can get materials out of Parahumans without doing that.

For that matter he could probably do the same with inactive Corona Pollentia as well; it'd still presumably require the relevant Shard to latch onto it but Joe would presumably be able to move it around and improve it in various ways.

Edit: Joe could presumably use parts from Doormaker and Clairvoyant so that they didn't need to use their powers on the behalf of others come to think of it.

Also less relatedly Dragon has some wetware processors in her suits for some reason probably relating to logistics, her Chains, or her powers.
He noted he could, not that he would. Joe still holds his morals as important, despite some people wishing he would discard them.
 
Lisa's segments made pretty clear that she didn't tell Joe at first because she didn't think he could actually handle the entire situation that is Coil.
Later, when she realized he probably could handle all but one aspect of it all, she was a little worried by how his mentality/thought process kept changing as his powers grew, meaning she couldn't figure out what his plan/reaction might be...
and she was completely terrified of that one aspect Apeiron might not be able to handle, named Noelle, absorbing Joe and spitting out evil copies of him.
If Joe's power wasn't so out of context, she'd be right, and because it's so out of context, she has no way of correcting her position, or even knowing she should until after the fact.
Lisa could presumably ask to be equipped with something to allow her to prevent Joe from getting into Noelles proximity since that's what she's worried about; if he can deal with her remotely then he shouldn't be anywhere near her anyway.

Also I wonder whether Joes Surveys library has access to Ghost In The Shell; I remember watching a really good analysis/review of it that went into themes of adaptation by absorbing ones environment and the refusal to adapt was a violent rejection.
He noted he could, not that he would. Joe still holds his morals as important, despite some people wishing he would discard them.
Your assertion that this is a moral issue is just by itself a spit in the face to surgeons the world over.
 
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