The problem with that is that Teigu, as stated in the chapter and clarified in recent WoGs, explicitly require the death of the component creature. It's a part of what makes a Teigu a Teigu. So long as the parahumans Joe is theoretically harvesting from are alive, then he won't be making any Teigu from them. Shingu maybe, since they don't have the same death requirements, but they're a lot less powerful as a result. Not that that's a huge issue at the level Joe's working at, though.
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I was saying that he would be well-served by acquiring them, and from those Parahumans specifically, but there are a great many ways to acquire things from people, especially for someone with Joes capabilities, without resorting to theft; not only does your assertion spit in the face of life-saving surgeons but also in the face of trade as a concept.
Furthermore Joe has already acquired material from two Parahumans; at worst he's just squeamish about brains.
To clarify I was using Teigu as a category of thing that included Shingu; in hindsight that should have been the other way around.
That being said though Joe does have a number of ways to contain and manipulate minds and souls so even that shouldn't be too bad of a requirement to bypass.
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Demiurge's Happy Farm is not an aspirational goal for any sane person, nore should it be. Joe may not be conventionally sane, but I don't think he's that far gone yet.
I have no idea how you got "Joe should skin and rape people in his basement" from "Do these people need to stay dead for their deaths to empower objects?". Like if someone offered me decently more the minimum wage I'd be down for being dead for a few minutes.
It was mentioned that Teigu use a lot of spiritual energy. Is the amount of spiritual energy at his disposal linked to his soul, more specifically the size of his soul? If it is, is there anything he could craft that used part of his soul but could be later disassembled to allow the soul used to be reabsorbed?
I don't think it's linked to his soul since IIRC the soul is infinite in size or distance or whatever thanks to the perk that have him Key Crests and other soul stuff
While I don't see any particular moral problem with your idea, I can see a bunch of practical problems.
- It seems unlikely to me that killing someone and then resurrecting them will work for the purposes of a Teigu.
- Joe is very unlikely to be okay with doing this. He even says in the chapter that it reminds him of what his parahuman power would have been, and he hates that power.
- Joe is currently trying to be secretive, and what you propose is definitely not secretive, except maybe if he mindwipes the subjects afterwards, which Joe is unlikely to be willing to do.
- Most parahumans are not going to be willing to do it. Joe is not going to hide the details of the process from anyone he offers it to, and most people are absolutely not okay with the idea of being killed and them resurrected, especially since the only guarantee they have on the resurrection is the word of a mad scientist.
Alright so considering that Murasame could kill the controlling intelligence, possibly the soul, of Incursio without killing the user it was merged with at the time there's probably some spiritual shit going on that's the difference between a Shingu and a Teigu which Joe should be fully capable of replicating without requiring a persons whole soul, or even the soul of the person the other resources came from, and replenishing/repairing the donor-soul afterwards so even if a temporary death isn't good enough Joe should still be able to bootleg the process to some degree or another.
Joe seemingly has a traumatic phobia of anything that looks like a brain but that's his problem.
Stealth is right out of the question because everybody important already knows that he took a tissue sample from Weld.
Finally trust would be a complete non-issue because anyone who doesn't think that Apeiron can accomplish something is laughable.
Can someone smarter or more familiar with the source material explain the snails to me?
There are Perks from earlier in the story that Lord seems to have decided not to mess with (ex. the Imulsion from Gears of War) and thus have been ignored.
However the snails have been mentioned repeatedly. Which makes me feel like they have an important role to play at some point in the story. Anyone able to help me out?
I don't really know much about Akame ga Kill (or whatever it's called) so I'll take your word on the mechanics.
I don't know how you can just say 'that's his problem'. From the way it was explained in the chapter, it seemed to me like the only useful part of most parahumans is the power tumour, and that's part of the brain. If he's unwilling to touch that the he's unwilling to operate on the majority of all parahumans.
Taking a small tissue sample from one person is very different from some sort of large-scale extraction process which may involve temporarily killing the donor. The latter will be far more worrying to people than the former.
The idea that people don't have total trust in someone perceived as a mad scientist is not laughable at all, but even disregarding that there will still be a lot of people who won't do it because there isn't much incentive for them. If Joe goes around asking people, Protectorate capes will probably be ordered to not agree, and beyond that, what is he going to give people for their acquiescence? Some people will accept for a large enough amount of money, but a lot of people won't. Joe isn't going to offer technology.
Oh yeah holy shit Emulsion could make for a pretty decent Shingu; there are loads of abilities that it has.
Game mechanism made manifest; they're basically a Fiat resource used to enhance a thing that is hard, if not impossible, to reproduce so they're saving it for something special. This is made somewhat difficult by the fact that Joes abilities are constantly improving so it can't just be his best stuff.
It's not a matter of reasoning or even cause; he just don't like brains because he's so scared of being a danger to people that his chance to do so traumatized him into a quivering puddle; it's not going to change so it's not worth thinking about it not being the case.
Even if scale wasn't irrelevant at this point, which it is, Joe took Lungs arm off.
Invincible solid diamond and gold private island complete with shit like water features containing any consumable liquid requestable and display screen forcefields so that they can watch [thing] With The Stars to a backdrop of the actual stars from a pool float floating in their pool of champagne?
Also they kind of have to believe that Joe wouldn't go back on a deal with them; if they didn't then they wouldn't be able to use it to ward off the terror they feel at the idea of someone being as powerful as him.
Good idea, but wouldn't work yet, since Shards are super big, and their defences are also extremely strong
Goals for the future.
I agree about the brain thing. I thought you were saying that Joe should just get over it or something. Sorry for misinterpreting.
I don't think the arm is relevant. Firstly, I'm not sure that people know he looted the arm. Secondly, there is a big difference between taking the arm of someone threatening to destroy the city after you incidentally cut it off, and systematically asking people for body parts.
You've changed my mind on the offers. I think that Joe could offer something really valuable (whether personally or societally) if it was for a power that was very useful to him, like maybe a multiplicative speedster power or something. I'm not sure how likely it is that he actually will, but I concede that it is a lot more feasible than I initially believed.
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Clockblocker might be willing to sell his kidney for healing his dad.
Especially if he gets his kidney regrown
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At the end of the day, none of this was supposed to be her decision in the first place. She's picking and dropping what she does and doesn't want to tell Joe regardless of the fact that she's spitting on the trust he's given her.
Honestly, I don't know how Joe will react. It's entirely possible this'll all blow over with a slap on the arm or Joe will just be 'Understanding' and not blame her at all.
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I think he'll be angry at the situation and at what has occured but he'll put blame on both Tattletale surely but most importantly he will blame himself, he will probably remember his passenger's sudden change in opinion and connected it to it.
Will he show that anger though? Maybe to Coil and all those directly involved himself included because personal degredation is a thing, but to Tattletale I like to think he'd probably just be disappointed.
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Honestly, if he could effectively direct the output of his reactor to the planet Scion is on, he's won. This is a complete stellar output here.
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Man, i really wanna know what happened between sabah and joe
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To put it short: they knew each other in college. Joe was interested in her and tried to ask her out several times. She always gave an evasive answer - in the vein of "sorry, I'm busy at that time" - so he went to his friends for advice. They told him to just straight up ask her out, so that he'd have a clear answer on if she's interested or not. He did just that, but unbeknownst to him she was going through intense personal stress at the time, leading her to publicly blow up at him. The rest of the campus, not knowing what exactly was going on, saw her as a massive bitch after that, since from their perspective she massively overreacted.
This resulted in Sabah's social isolation. There are sveral WOGs that summarize their relationship better, you can find them on the TvTropes page.
I think that's an underestimation of Scion. It might well cause problems for him, but even behemoth could survive the directed output of the Sun (Wildbow has a word of god that if he was thrown into the core of the Sun, he would be able to survive there, and he could even turn off the Sun if he used all of his energy). It could be that Scion's main body is really poorly defended, but given that Joe's motorbike tried fucking with a Shard in Shardspace and it definitely did have defences, it seems unlikely that Scion's true body has weak defences. Also, does Joe have trans-universal travel abilities? I guess he can develop them from Star Trek physics.
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Joe was described as a "pushy asshole" by Sabah in Worm. Also, it's not like this relationship could have worked because Sabah is, uh, lesbian.
At the end, Sabah's father died of a heart attack and she triggered. It's a pretty sad story.
No. WOG is that he have access to shardspace through call beads/gems but that's it.
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Presumably weapons energy would be far more focused than energy in the core of the Sun, since core is virtually opaque (limiting radiative heat transfer) and far larger than the Earth.