Isn't that just infinity?
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
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Now Joe, be reasonable about this. Let's not use Lung's arm to make Taylor a Raiment of Escalating Defense. I don't care how safe it would make her and that it'd be great practice making Teigu, everyone's gonna be extra terrified if the Swarm Queen can shapeshift into an invulnerable dragon because of you.
I mean. I don't think Joe plans on giving Taylor anything at the moment, mostly because he assumes she'll somehow manage to use it as a weapon. Once she says the word, Joe'll come and give aid, but that hasn't happened yet. Given Taylor's apparent temperament it might not happen at all.
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Joe gave her a pretty sharp knife and regretted it. Gave her a bag of holding and she made it an insect carrier. I don't think Joe is going to make the mistake of giving her anything he doesn't absolutely have to.
Borrowing some results from set theory, it is possible for an infinite number to be smaller than another infinite number. Raising infinity* to an infinite power** does that over the exponent. Formally, this means making a set with size equal to the infinite number in the exponent, then taking the set of all subsets of that set, then the set of all subsets of subsets of that set, and so on infinitely... which results in a set that's demonstrably larger than the original.
More generally, infinite power might still not be enough for infinite combinations of applications that are themselves infinite.
* assuming countable infinity for the base
** this one can be any infinite number
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Aw no Seductive Body for free. *sad noises*
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One interesting possibility for a teigu Joe can make is Bug Glaive + Lung Meat = "Dragon Fly" superweapon.
It would be a perfect present for Taylor, instantly raising her to S-Class threat.
It would be a perfect present for Taylor, instantly raising her to S-Class threat.
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Honestly, I think the wording is ambiguous here, so it fall straight into rule 0 of Jumpchain : "when in doubt, fanwank something". Lord is the one with the last word, but I think "Joe have a Dyson Sphere" is more fun than the reverse.
I mean, can you imagine Lisa's expression when Joe give her a tour ?
She would be panicked from losing her power, too far away from Earth.
JoshuaSweetvale
Insectovore
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Lance of Leviathan: S-class water magic
Breastplate of Behemoth: S-class damage reflect
Shield of the Simurgh: S-class accuracy and dodge
You know you want to look this good.
Bonus:
Flail of Khonshu: S-class stun
Helm of Tohu: S-class skill copy
Bow of Bohu: S-class trap launcher
Fleet looking up from his magazine while his sister does neurotic secretary things. - Hilarious
Potterverse charms counting as crafting is so very broken. Again.
If I was designing a Dyson Sphere for Joe's lair, I'd put a shrunk-down star in a metal shell the size of a Trek warp core.
Breastplate of Behemoth: S-class damage reflect
Shield of the Simurgh: S-class accuracy and dodge
You know you want to look this good.
Bonus:
Flail of Khonshu: S-class stun
Helm of Tohu: S-class skill copy
Bow of Bohu: S-class trap launcher
Fleet looking up from his magazine while his sister does neurotic secretary things. - Hilarious
Potterverse charms counting as crafting is so very broken. Again.
If I was designing a Dyson Sphere for Joe's lair, I'd put a shrunk-down star in a metal shell the size of a Trek warp core.
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JoshuaSweetvale, have you been watching Star Trek: Prodigy?
Finally caught up, and honestly his passenger is starting to irritate me. At this point, Joe outclasses pretty much anything in the setting. Author fiat is the only possible way anyone except maybe Scion could give him any challenge at this point, which is why I'm still baffled that Bakuda hasn't been dealt with.
Also can't wait to get out of the workshop. It's very noticeable that when he only has one or two people to speak to, the narrative just falls into tens of thousands of words of rambling about idle thoughts they might be having. When he's out and interacting with others things actually progress and the world feels more immersive and alive. Just let him go hang out with people or talk to people or something.
Also can't wait to get out of the workshop. It's very noticeable that when he only has one or two people to speak to, the narrative just falls into tens of thousands of words of rambling about idle thoughts they might be having. When he's out and interacting with others things actually progress and the world feels more immersive and alive. Just let him go hang out with people or talk to people or something.
any "all or nothing" cape can kill him with enough luck, planning or allies. He hasn't worked on it, He's just getting stronger.
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Let me say something about the Dyson sphere not being in the PR.
The whole place shook hard enough to take Joe off his feet if he was standing, eluding to something being added. He also said, "We have a Dyson sphere".
Make of those obvious statements what you will.
The whole place shook hard enough to take Joe off his feet if he was standing, eluding to something being added. He also said, "We have a Dyson sphere".
Make of those obvious statements what you will.
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Ruin has found you at last!
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Again, again and again: PASSENGERS ARE WAY, WAAAAAAAAAAAY MORE POWERFUL THAN PEOPLE THINK. EVEN WITH FULL FORGE ZION CAN GIVE JOE RUN FOR HIS MONEY BOTH DUE TO LUDICROUS POWER AND INSANE UTILITY HIS SHARDS OFFER. And with Joe and his sweet sweet [DATA] around shards willing to throw a lot more resources for their hosts so they can gather more [DATA].
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Okay, looks like my reply will be a bit messy. I apologize in advance for it.
Bakuda and remnants of the ABB is playing Whac-A-Mole with Apeiron. He can crush them but he needs to find them first. You read that they had gotten Dodge's pocket dimension tech and that they are careful of their cybersecurity. So their soon to be released magic divine stealth spy drones will cover the city to search for his opponents while Survey searches the web.
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By this I mean that in canon it wasn't even broken despite having weeks to do it (I think it was three weeks). Apeiron will be will be able to do it with his new computer.
If you check on VS Battles on Zion and Warrior Entity you'll see that it has exceptional abilities. In canon it wasn't overpowered, it let itself be defeated.
People aren't going to line themselves up to fight a fruitless battle against Apeiron. If they are going to line up they will be either having something they think they can use against him or use tactics to avoid fighting him directly.
So parahuman powers and passangers is very strong. Despite having something like a powerplant from a starship it only managed to alter a parahuman power a little.Chapter 69 said:
This means that passengers and powers is a real deal. They are powerful and have many different expressions of it.
To quote LR's in a comment from Lisa's Interlude.
And another quote.
With this I mean that sure Apeiron has enough firepower and almost overpower anything in the world. But he doesn't have enough information, leverage or enough technology to do it without massive potential collateral damage.
When Apeiron finally can unleash his best he will be ready for all organizations in the world response to him fooling precognition powers and behavior models. He said this chapter that he will do it at the latest one week later, as its Coil who primary makes it so that Apeiron needs to hold into his mercenary persona.
Practically the whole world is watching him and only the fact that he holding on to his own word and own rules makes them be able to sleep at night. It was said that at least Gesellschaft is on the edge according to chapter 33.
So he cannot just act with a lot less care as that will inevitable create a lot of panic and people probably make many stupid decisions across the organizations that is watching him.Chapter 33 said:
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I don't know, at this point he should easily be able to deal with Noelle and Bakuda's nonsense. He's already exploring other dimensions, he's got multiple literal godlike powers, his new upgrade from Asura's Wrath could let him survive in an event horizon, he has multiple unchained AI helping him, and his endless building upgrades means that anything he makes at this point should take seconds at most. As for the Passengers sure the author can make them as strong as he wants, but then it runs into the dumb "Frodo gets a lightsaber, Sauron gets the Death Star" trope.
My only worry is that it's already taken nearly 1.5 million words for this first week. I also refuse to believe that none of the AIs or godlike beings on his team aren't already tracking Coil. They surpassed Coil a long while back.
My only worry is that it's already taken nearly 1.5 million words for this first week. I also refuse to believe that none of the AIs or godlike beings on his team aren't already tracking Coil. They surpassed Coil a long while back.
I thought VS battles was like, infamous in the fictional character vs fictional character fights community for being inaccurate and bad or something?
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Noelle yes, through nobody knows it yet. His pyromancy is strong enough she can't touch him. No touch, no clone. Noelle is still a major brute even without her cloning, but that's not really a danger to someone of Joe's caliber.
That will be resolved as soon as Lisa scan Noelle.
Bakuda no. Her dead man switch is explicitely a megaproject that was called impossible by Dragon. It was built with the full support of her shard, so it's a challenge even for Joe.
Joe is getting there due to the spiritron computer (that will be finish tomorrow in story), but he still have to crack the damn thing after getting the computer. It might take him a few days, unless... well, Lord said that any 600 CP reverse engineering perk will let Joe near-instantly finish.
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About Bakuda; I've already made several examples both in-story and LR's wogs.
About Noelle:
Multiple LR quotes about Noelle and C53 treatment said:
Chapter 103 wog said:
Its hardly "multiple dimensions", it's actually Shardspace. Sure its another dimension but multiple dimensions is an exaggeration.
Its valid concerns regarding that you don't want this to take too long.
Now you're exaggerating if you mean that it has been 1.5 million words for one week since chapter 1 until now.
Joe just talked to Survey this chapter that she should let Coil has his peace until Tattletale gets back to him. Is this a smart move? No. Is this a good move? No. Is this an efficient move? Also no.
It's not only just Coil that they need to build up against. When Apeiron & Celestial Forge moves against Coil, then the big organizations will realize that he can't be predicted by precogs and thinkers.
This will result in a massive disruptive event across the globe with a massive amount of people scrambling to enact countermeasures against him.
The moment he makes his move he will need to be able to resolve multiple problems like; Dragon, Butcher, Noelle, Coil, ABB, Bakuda's deadman switch, Protectorate, Leet's Megaproject and possible other minor problems.
Well, I admit I meant this page
Scion (Worm)
If I wish to get an understanding about different powerlevels. Of course wogs and in-story text is better but when you don't want to scour the web for 8 year old wogs, its good enough.
I didn't mean the VS Battles section between different fictional characters. I avoid that section so I was unaware of its reputation.
In-story Scion destroyed several Earths in the final battle and it wasn't even serious. So its upper limit is somewhere above that.
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This is something I'm divided on. Life fibers can be genetically altered, so they should be able to be cloned. At the same time, they are such an unusual lifeform I am inclined to believe that Noel's shard wouldn't know what to do with them. Noelle can clone animals and insects, but isn't cloning viruses or fungal spores. It also assumes that there is some kind of evolved form that the shard would be able to shift the life fibers into, and that doesn't make sense with the fibers being all about evolution themselves. I would say the fibers are too out of context for Noelle to do anything with them.
So its too OOC for Noelle.
Just a thought. Let's say that during the period of Worms how long timeskip Joe gets a long period of free time to work on projects. He decides to turn the Dyson Sphere into a Spiritron Matrioshka Brain. How powerful would it be and what kind of bullshit do you think he could accomplish with it?
He could probably create an entirely separate alternate earth with that kinda stuff.
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Even IF the DS exists (which I still insist it does not), even with his construction speed, it would still take him years if not decades of constant work.
As for power, maybe something on the Xeelee level.
According to Ao3 WOG, the Dyson Sphere does exist... but it exists in the way background details of a videogame level exist. It's there, but Joe can't interact with it.
Lord Roustabout on Ao3 said: