Nah. The Original Kardashev scale is about measuring the technological advancement of civilization based on the amount of energy it can use. So it's about technology, not energy or resources. The ability to create energy-collecting megastructure (like Dyson sphere) is a thing that makes Type II civilization Type II.
Tattletale knows that Dinah was kidnapped. But she thinks it is for political blackmail and assumes that the kid is safe because harming a blackmail token is stupid. At the same time, the most Lisa knows about Coil's new thinker, is that it exist.
Yeah, Lisa still being silent about kidnapping, but at least she can claim ignorance about the worst part. Tho, it won't help her case much.
That's a mistake a normal person would make when assuming something.
Lisa doesn't really have that excuse. The fact that Dinah was kidnapped and Coil gained a new thinker who Lisa hasn't seen but knows turned up around the same time is a connection even we can make. Her power should have no issue bridging that gap.
And she doesn't have the excuse of March because the kidnapping situation during the heist was before March started pervading herself in Brockton. And she's actively researching this now as well, when March is also out of the picture.
Honestly Survey could have finished a full breakdown of Coil if Joe let her.
With a pulse of Aura, I triggered the mechashift system, causing the watch to expand into the gauntlet and disc of my lantern shield. The way some items could be modified by additional powers raised a new set of questions connected with the origin of my powers. I knew that my lantern shield was a Teigu. I knew the origin and history of it. But I also knew that it was the weapon that had originated from the same world as my aura, designed specifically to my combat style and expression of those abilities. And it was the expression of my 'sword', an item intrinsic to my martial arts and bearing an enhanced version of the secret of steel.
Three items from different universes, combined to become something greater. I was certain that all of them had existed in their own form, but my power had somehow fused them into something that was both new and consistent with their history. It was the same effect I had seen with the Wishes, a clash of effects split between worlds creating something that hadn't existed before. It indicated that my power wasn't just drawing from other realities, that there were active effects beyond the obvious sources of the abilities.
What is another perk that would impact and change Joe's Lantern Shield a Fourth time? Also how many more are there in both are current list of available perks and of the other Perks of the CF that Lord hasn't added yet due to unfamiliarity?
Huh. So while plenty of people laughed at the jokes, no one cared enough to look up the Personal Reality doc?
Now I want Joe to roll An Intervention in next chapter.
An Intervention =800 WP, Requires Power Overwhelming=
Well, okay. you asked for it. We need to have a talk about how you're using this much energy. Congratulations. With this upgrade, your warehouse now produces as much raw energy as you need to run all your devices… yes, even if that's a billion UWS (Universe Watts Per Second… or as much energy as an entire Universe contains per second). Seriously though, you need help.
As far as I know, Teigu can only be made from a SINGLE source, as they metaphysically ARE that source. He would only be able to make a Weld-Lung Hybrid Teigu if he first creates a Weld-Lung Clone, and gives that clone sufficient spiritual power/weight, before using the clone to create the Teigu. This is why a Kamui-Teigu armor-type/independent-type hybrid will be made from ONLY Tetra, but Tetra's mind/will, and presumably her abilities, will remain "alive" and tied to the construct.
As far as I know, Teigu can only be made from a SINGLE source, as they metaphysically ARE that source. He would only be able to make a Weld-Lung Hybrid Teigu if he first creates a Weld-Lung Clone, and gives that clone sufficient spiritual power/weight, before using the clone to create the Teigu. This is why a Kamui-Teigu armor-type/independent-type hybrid will be made from ONLY Tetra, but Tetra's mind/will, and presumably her abilities, will remain "alive" and tied to the construct.
Honestly I hope this cause enough of a jolt for Joe to finally realize he can't be as patient or passive on things when it involves tattletale(maybe stop relying on his passenger for advice too especially when it involves the undersiders it honestly shown to hampering Joe) or any other actions that are needed to be taken or it will cause too much harm even if it gets resolve.
Every day that passes(in-universe at least) there's a little girl(about Vista age) that been fed drugs and turn into a accurate magic 8 ball, and tho there are circumstances it his fault indirectly especially because he allowed to last this long just to accommodate tattletale neuroses instead finally have enough of it and dealing with the issue his own way(which he can Coil have zero defenses against Joe ridiculous level of hacking or tracking)
Wouldn't harvesting those resources from a star be bad? Because, well, they're it's components and even if it's only a small amount compared to what it has I'd rather a star I can get 5.5 billion years worth of energy from than a star I can get 5.4 billion years worth of energy from, especially if you don't even need to get those resources from the star
Also I looked it up and according to wiki:
The Kardashev scale is a method of measuring a civilization's level of technological advancement based on the amount of energy it is able to use. The measure was proposed by Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev in 1964. The scale is hypothetical, and regards energy consumption on a cosmic scale.
Type II. A civilization capable of harnessing the energy radiated by its own star—for example, by means of the successful completion of a Dyson sphere or Matrioshka brain—with energy consumption at ≈4×1033 erg/sec.
Honestly I hope this cause enough of a jolt for Joe to finally realize he can't be as patient or passive on things when it involves tattletale(maybe stop relying on his passenger for advice too especially when it involves the undersiders it honestly shown to hampering Joe) or any other actions that are needed to be taken or it will cause too much harm even if it gets resolve.
Every day that passes(in-universe at least) there's a little girl(about Vista age) that been fed drugs and turn into a accurate magic 8 ball, and tho there are circumstances it his fault indirectly especially because he allowed to last this long just to accommodate tattletale neuroses instead finally have enough of it and dealing with the issue his own way(which he can Coil have zero defenses against Joe ridiculous level of hacking or tracking)
This. I agree completely. At this point, Noelle can't do much if Joe does it smartly. I get he doesn't have meta knowledge like we do, but seriously, get a spine, do some stuff.
Except in this case, it might be the case.
One of the simple ways to combat mnemonic threats is to simply not know them. Probably are better methods, but not everyone gets Joe's mental fortress power.
Every day that passes(in-universe at least) there's a little girl(about Vista age) that been fed drugs and turn into a accurate magic 8 ball, and tho there are circumstances it his fault indirectly especially because he allowed to last this long just to accommodate tattletale neuroses instead finally have enough of it and dealing with the issue his own way(which he can Coil have zero defenses against Joe ridiculous level of hacking or tracking)
It's easy to feel bad for Dinah specifically, because she's a named character, but blaming Joe for not saving her sooner is a pretty slippery slope. It's not much different than letting the other gangs deal with the Butcher, and all the damage and deaths that he could prevent by doing it himself, for example. Joe's full potential is global scale and beyond, easily. Even playing it pretty safe, and not going all out, monitoring a city and finding every (potential) victim is well within his theoretical ability.
Like yea, Dinah has it bad, but so do all the sex slaves and other victims of the city's various crimes. Dinah is no where near the only one he could save if he was more proactive, and given his sheer power and potential, that scales to almost everyone, eventually. That's a lot of pressure in the context of not doing everything you could as soon as you could do it, and a pretty unhealthy mindset to have overall.
He'll probably still feel extra bad about Dinah, because emotions are like that and Coil was something he was planning on dealing with anyway, and any theoretically preventable delay directly effects her, but still. He could theoretically be helping many people if he was less cautious in general. And caution is perfectly reasonable in a world like Worm; one wrong move could easily trigger Zion among other entities like the Endbringers and Cauldron.
Tis a balancing act, and he can only act with the information he has; right now, he knows going after Coil is potentially dangerous, and Lisa has volunteered herself as the canary to find out more while he works on other things. He has no reason to believe dealing with Coil is pressing outside of just wanting him out of the way, and several reasons to believe doing so too hastily might cause major problems, so why take risks? Lisa is ultimately a vehicle for his scanners anyway, not much different than sending in a drone to do it. No need to put any extra effort into it when that should be enough for now, and it's not like he can't shift methodologies as more info becomes available.
the issue with the current chapters as they are Joe is more then ready to do so and could easily done it since a few of lord WoG mentioned once coil gone Joe would be able to let loose more, the only reason it didn't happen yet is because of tattletale(and Joe passenger suggesting to go along with it), wasn't being a doormat or passive a flaw he needed to overcome?
also I've said indirectly with circumstances his fault plus I don't need to blame Joe, in-story he will blame himself there's nothing to stop it from happening.
It's not much different than letting the other gangs deal with the Butcher, and all the damage and deaths that he could prevent by doing it himself, for example. Joe's full potential is global scale and beyond, easily. Even playing it pretty safe, and not going all out, monitoring a city and finding every (potential) victim is well within his theoretical ability.
What? Were talking about Dinah plus Joe is literally targeting Coil himself, Coil is Joe next target to take down Dinah got mentioned because that going to be issue between Joe and tattletale
…nobody was talking Global scale we're taking minor scale specifically Dinah and removing Coil who Joe(at least his passenger) consider a threat for Taylor and the undersiders
What about the multiple instances of warning his passenger gave? Are we going to ignore that? Also it kinda became pressing because after the talk with tattletale it clue him in and tattletale panic attitude over the whole thing
That's a mistake a normal person would make when assuming something.
Lisa doesn't really have that excuse. The fact that Dinah was kidnapped and Coil gained a new thinker who Lisa hasn't seen but knows turned up around the same time is a connection even we can make. Her power should have no issue bridging that gap.
And she doesn't have the excuse of March because the kidnapping situation during the heist was before March started pervading herself in Brockton. And she's actively researching this now as well, when March is also out of the picture.
Honestly Survey could have finished a full breakdown of Coil if Joe let her.
Lisa can't use her power infinitely and has to ration its use with all the things going on she had much bigger fish to fry, it's not unreasonable to assume that she used it on more immediate issues and never felt that Dinah's kidnapping or coils thinker was worth focusing on when she had, Joe, ABB, March, Travelers, and Coil.
On the other hand, Scion's one real hope for going forward is another entity showing up that can fill the Thinker role for him. If Joe can come up with a viable alternative to the Cycle, then we could possibly have Scion joining the Celestial Forge as an endgame.
Cauldron: Ok, we have decided to say fuck it and ask for help. We need your assistance in neutralizing Scion.
Joe: Oh, yeah, did that yesterday. He's a cool dude, was just really depressed about his dead wife and this huge energy bill debt his extended family were trying to pay off. All solved now though. Really good at pool.
Cauldron: *visible confusion*
Joe should upgrade the Dyson Sphere
I mean come on if u make then entire inside surface of it habitable(gravity, air, temperature, water, soil, plants, animals )
Thought strictly speaking only the first three are really needed (For buildings and so on), the rest is nice to have
He's already got a lot of space and ways to make more; if anything he should be upgrading the star itself. Stars generally have rather turbulent magnetic fields so even without getting into more exotic mechanics it should be possible to make it much more orderly and neat to condense it.
Honestly, I figure that the biggest thing from the Teigu power was either the Kamui or the potential use of shards as base materials. I figure you could make a really potent weapon against zion with endbringer parts. maybe even some kind of ancestroscythe for all entities if you managed to reach scion's main body and processed it down.
There's no reason to ignore his avatar though; that might not have his full power but it's still a decent resource even if you can't get Stilling from it. Plus he shed a lot of avatar mass during Golden Morning so it's not like it would be hard to gather.
Speaking of Teigu materials though I should think that this would give Joe a decent reason to send a doorway over to the Machine Army; that thing's meant to have a connection to a Shard.
For that matter he might be willing to use it on something like Mannequin as well. Possibly also The Butcher. They have similar natures. For that matter Oni Lee might also fit the criteria.
Crawler wouldn't be the same as them but he might actually not mind being warped into a weapon or armor or tool or servant as long as he'd be able to clash against things as he does. He'd probably be bothered by being a voice in the back of someones head or even less then that though.
There's also his sea snails; those might be possible to make a few tools out of. It could go either way really.
So, Joe has functionally infinite power to use in his devices, how if I recall correctly he can now convert 'mundane' power into magical power right?
So he can really go to town on figuring out spells and magical items empowered by the might of a captured star.
I also wonder what counts as a door? Because with the right engineering he has a star cannon in his arsenal, combined with all his mastery and power and he has some incredible potential for anti-Endbringer weaponry.
To clarify, I said the power, "Incredibly craftsmanship" opens up new options, not Teigu themselves. There is a difference.
Also note that I am in no way an Akame ga Kill expert. So my assumptions may be hilariously off the mark.
Now, the power, in a nutshell, allows one to take the attributes of a creature and imbue them into basically anything. Since the result depends on the raw materials used, various parts of the source-creature is used for the process.
So if Joe is willing to go through with it, he can make ccreations that are actually made by power-tinkering. This may not be very impressive power-wise but it offers more utility, which is good. Cape powers are extremely varied so how he can go about this is equally varied. For example, figuring out how to utilize Lung's regenerative ability might be useful. It may not be something Joe actually needs but as I said, it's an option.
Also, this power's description says that Joe can make things that are almost as good as Teigu, but there's room for improvement. He's basically been given the pinnacle of understanding in the field as his starting point. OG Teigu has drawbacks and with his support powers, he can potentially make a 'perfect' Teigu.
Making a Teigu or even Shingu require extensive knowledge and skills in many fields. That knowledge and skills can be useful in other projects, and might have synergy with other perks. (Admittedly most of them may be related to wet-tinkering, which he doesn't like...)
Also I think someone mentioned that this perk might help in understanding and resolving the case 53 problem.
Also the perk mention that Joe can now repair 'other incredible items'.
From a certain point of view, Endbringers are 'incredible items'. While this perk might nor be helpful on it's own, perks stack. So in the future it might be helpful in understanding the nature of the Endbringers and finding a new potential way to deal with them. It's a long shot I know, but it's a possibility.
Sooo did I miss anything? Am I wrong about anything? If yes, let me know.
I have to imagine that the limit, and thus what defines the perfection, of a Teigu would have to be the power of the materials going into one; it's all well and good to use more materials or to use empowered materials but you can't really use the word "perfect" to describe materials that became weaker from being crafted into equipment; even just being less enhanced then the theoretical limit of how enhanced a enhancement process could make it would probably prevent something from counting as a Teigu.
I believe the hair is only fiat-backed PERFECT so long as it's on your head and used as normal hair. Cutting it off to wave indestructible and self-repairing textile should be entirely outside of the fiat-backed effect(s).
that's assuming he can even access it. Or even just see it.
The perk only said he'd get the electricity produced by it, what the perk didn't state is if Joe would get the Dyson Sphere itself...
It stated that electricity would come from it and that it existed; if he needs to borrow the powers of a Parahuman who can teleport through electrical currents then he can do exactly that to get to it.
If you mean the statistics table good catch and updated.
So, this is from the Personal Reality jumpdoc and thus even if Joe has physical access to the Dyson it will be unusable for storing anything as per the overall personal reality purpose fiat until starting space gets upgraded enough times.
The timing of the Teigu perk has me wondering whether Joe would make something with Noelle's monstrous half. Granted, he almost certainly wouldn't, but I just want to see Tattletale have an aneurysm.
Alternatively, could he make something with a donation of blood from Oliver that would "complete" Noelle's power, and put it under her control? (i.e. make it as though she had drunk the entire vial, not just half of it)
Joe could outright modify Noelles Core to make her less inhuman before shoving it back into her. For that matter he could modify it to make her less inhuman before having it regrow her; even more then other Changer/Breaker Cores Noelles Core should be able to regrow her entire body.
Huh. So while plenty of people laughed at the jokes, no one cared enough to look up the Personal Reality doc?
Now I want Joe to roll An Intervention in next chapter.
An Intervention =800 WP, Requires Power Overwhelming=
Well, okay. you asked for it. We need to have a talk about how you're using this much energy. Congratulations. With this upgrade, your warehouse now produces as much raw energy as you need to run all your devices… yes, even if that's a billion UWS (Universe Watts Per Second… or as much energy as an entire Universe contains per second). Seriously though, you need help.
He can probably survive it sure, but he was skeletonised by only enough energy to slag the Indian sub-continent IIRC, that's barely a rounding error when it comes to a star so I would expect a fair amount more ablative layers lost, not something to ignore but not a lethal threat.
That's without Apeiron actually turning it into a weapon of course.
I just mean it isn't usable space. It can be used for it's purpose of power generation and nothing else. It probably doesn't even physically exist with the power coming out of nowhere by fiat.
He can probably survive it sure, but he was skeletonised by only enough energy to slag the Indian sub-continent IIRC, that's barely a rounding error when it comes to a star so I would expect a fair amount more ablative layers lost, not something to ignore but not a lethal threat.
That's without Apeiron actually turning it into a weapon of course.
I believe that it's also actually much easier to damage a Endbringer Core then the surrounding matter; not easy by any means but I remember reading some WoG about how little damage it needed to prevent function.
Unrelatedly do you think that some material from Behemoth would make for a good Teigu?
Depending on what and how much is needed to get the effect? A dynakinetic of that level could only produce something ridiculous. Even just the pure strength and/or durability aspects would be powerful. Especially the durability, actually. That's arguably equal to or better than the dynakinesis tbh... A lot of things across fiction could tank, overpower, or no sell the Endbringers' offense, but likewise struggle to actually kill the things without access to more esoteric means or massive collateral damage.
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