Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

So.

It is now immediately and perfectly reasonable for all the world governments to submit to Apeiron as their new lord and master.

Why?

Because he has a fucking Dyson Sphere and all of Earth's energy issues would officially be over.

A Dyson Sphere is the kind of thing that, if revealed, has the potential to immediately cause whole sections of the world to immediately bend the knee. Because access to that level of energy production... energy is power and power is political.

As if he couldn't have conquered the planet already. Now half the planet would WILLINGLY give themselves over to him in order to gain access to that.
 
So.

It is now immediately and perfectly reasonable for all the world governments to submit to Apeiron as their new lord and master.

Why?

Because he has a fucking Dyson Sphere and all of Earth's energy issues would officially be over.

A Dyson Sphere is the kind of thing that, if revealed, has the potential to immediately cause whole sections of the world to immediately bend the knee. Because access to that level of energy production... energy is power and power is political.

As if he couldn't have conquered the planet already. Now half the planet would WILLINGLY give themselves over to him in order to gain access to that.
But Joe will never reveal it, for a multitude of reasons. Chief among them being he doesn't want to do any overt action

I think this is the first 600 points power that completely missed the mark for me. It seems entirely redundant, and actively worse than what Joe can craft himself. At the end of the day, Tengu just aren't that impressive to start with.

At least, the perfect hair is nice.

Agreed, the teigu and shinty felt kinda redundant and lack luster no matter how much Lord tried to hype it up
 
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I've never watched Akame ga kill but I thought making Teigu is like making OP magic items, but with SCIENCE!
I mean it's basically hunting the big scary monster and using the drops to make new gear in the OG setting, right?
The only difference is, in Worm, Joe is making magic weapons out of parahuman parts instead of the usual monster bits.
And since the process is kinda in Bonesaw territory he's reluctant to actually use the particular crafting avenue, again.

Agreed, the teigu and shinty felt kinda redundant and lack luster no matter how much Lord tried to hype it up
Honestly rather than being redundant I feel like it's a power that will never be truly explored or even used after Tetra's thing is done with.
The power opens up new options but Joe will probably willfully ignore and forget the whole thing after making the super Kamui...
 
The Teigu power felt like it had a few points of note:

1) Integration with Trauma.

2) Synergy with Case 53 curing and general power manipulation.

3) Tetra upgrade.

4) General improvement to all 'spirit' based powers (like elven enchanting).

5) Motivation to kill Endbingers for loot drops.

Useful stuff, to go along with all the other reams of useful stuff the forge has given out over the last few chapters. It'll probably feel a lot more significant when all these powers/upgrades get to effect something outside the workshop.
 
Joe should upgrade the Dyson Sphere
I mean come on if u make then entire inside surface of it habitable(gravity, air, temperature, water, soil, plants, animals )
Thought strictly speaking only the first three are really needed (For buildings and so on), the rest is nice to have

THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE!
 
The thing that excites me about Joe's Teigu is that (as far as I am aware), all Teigu's have a 'Trump Card'.

The 'Trump Card' is an extremely powerful effect that has to be unlocked by the wielder.

So while three-dimensional movement and sensory-extending wires are cool.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Trump Card effect.

(side note: trump card effects include a short duration psuedo-time-stop, invisibility, or extremely powerful regeneration)
 
The Teigu power felt like it had a few points of note:

1) Integration with Trauma.

2) Synergy with Case 53 curing and general power manipulation.

3) Tetra upgrade.

4) General improvement to all 'spirit' based powers (like elven enchanting).

5) Motivation to kill Endbingers for loot drops.

Useful stuff, to go along with all the other reams of useful stuff the forge has given out over the last few chapters. It'll probably feel a lot more significant when all these powers/upgrades get to effect something outside the workshop.
Honestly, I figure that the biggest thing from the Teigu power was either the Kamui or the potential use of shards as base materials. I figure you could make a really potent weapon against zion with endbringer parts. maybe even some kind of ancestroscythe for all entities if you managed to reach scion's main body and processed it down.
 
So, Joe has functionally infinite power to use in his devices, how if I recall correctly he can now convert 'mundane' power into magical power right?

So he can really go to town on figuring out spells and magical items empowered by the might of a captured star.

I also wonder what counts as a door? Because with the right engineering he has a star cannon in his arsenal, combined with all his mastery and power and he has some incredible potential for anti-Endbringer weaponry.

Even Behemoth can't ignore a star.
 
This felt very much like a bridging chapter. It seems like Joe is making reasonable plans for moving forward and taking advantage of his immunity to precognition without going overboard. I'm looking forward to the meeting with Uppercrust and finally cracking Bakuda's signal. I'm glad that Survey is settling into her Library so well. I'm also interested in what will happen with the visit to the Palanquin.

I sorta wonder if people have started speculating as to why Tybalt was unavailable during the Ungodly Hour.

Rolls Analysis:
Quality (600-600): Starting off with a bang the entire Quality Constellation was available. On the less expensive end that includes another visit from the oft rolled Minor Blessing and Unnatural Skill Cluster or Synchronicity Event. The Mid point follows with Titan's Blood and the corresponding absurd ability to grow fifteen meters taller while further increasing Daedlus's skill and gaining an additional sense. The high end is three 600 point perks. Aside from the one Joe actually rolled, Chosen of Death would make Joe the equal of Yama the Death God from Lord of Light, allowing him to make ten unique treasures per day. It also doubles down on the divine nature stuff Joe has gotten from Percy Jackson with a twist. Alternatively Craftsman of the Gods takes the divine theme in a different direction simply asserting that things Joe makes from 'base components' gain properties far beyond what they should.
Alchemy (100): Alchemy Starts at 200 points.
Time (200): Time starts at 600 points.
Resources and Durability (300): Resources and Durability starts at 400 points.
Knowledge (400): Of the fifteen clusters in knowledge, two were available. Joe could have polished off the last of the Star Trek Skills or finally rolled the oft-missed Titanfall reverse engineering perk.
Personal Reality (500-500): Welp, Joe probably has enough energy to do what he wants now. Incredibly there's still one more mote from this cluster and it would be enormously helpful: Tashi Station can convert that Dyson Sphere's worth of electricity into "whatever, be that mana, anbaric power, natural gas, ether, the power of love, or the power of rock and roll."
 
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Could you expand on what new options Teigu open up?
To clarify, I said the power, "Incredibly craftsmanship" opens up new options, not Teigu themselves. There is a difference.
Also note that I am in no way an Akame ga Kill expert. So my assumptions may be hilariously off the mark.

Now, the power, in a nutshell, allows one to take the attributes of a creature and imbue them into basically anything. Since the result depends on the raw materials used, various parts of the source-creature is used for the process.

So if Joe is willing to go through with it, he can make ccreations that are actually made by power-tinkering. This may not be very impressive power-wise but it offers more utility, which is good. Cape powers are extremely varied so how he can go about this is equally varied. For example, figuring out how to utilize Lung's regenerative ability might be useful. It may not be something Joe actually needs but as I said, it's an option.

Also, this power's description says that Joe can make things that are almost as good as Teigu, but there's room for improvement. He's basically been given the pinnacle of understanding in the field as his starting point. OG Teigu has drawbacks and with his support powers, he can potentially make a 'perfect' Teigu.

Making a Teigu or even Shingu require extensive knowledge and skills in many fields. That knowledge and skills can be useful in other projects, and might have synergy with other perks. (Admittedly most of them may be related to wet-tinkering, which he doesn't like...)
Also I think someone mentioned that this perk might help in understanding and resolving the case 53 problem.

Also the perk mention that Joe can now repair 'other incredible items'.
From a certain point of view, Endbringers are 'incredible items'. While this perk might nor be helpful on it's own, perks stack. So in the future it might be helpful in understanding the nature of the Endbringers and finding a new potential way to deal with them. It's a long shot I know, but it's a possibility.




Sooo did I miss anything? Am I wrong about anything? If yes, let me know.
 
"Yeah, I saw the outlets. But you have fusion reactors and all that other stuff. What's the big deal with getting electrical systems installed?" She asked. Like before, other members of the team were already in the know or learning the details for themselves.

"The big deal is that we are now a level two Kardashev civilization." I explained.

A week ago, I doubt Aisha would have understood that reference. As of now I could see the dawning mix of wonder and horror on her face. "You mean…?" She trailed off without phrasing her question.

"That's right." I said with a wide smile. "We have a Dyson Sphere."
I hope the Dyson Sphere'ed star is visible in the Workshop's sky.


Heh, it's not directly prevented from going nova, he just gets a new one 48 hours after the old one breaks.

Still, 99.9999999999% uptime is quite good.
you're assuming the fiat-backed Dyson Sphere can't somehow harvest the nova for energy too... :ninja:

Actually, with Einsbern alchemy which directly translates a magus's hair into contructs and spells, along with the other hair styling perk from DMC? this is genuinely a Spiral-class power considering it is Fiat-backed to be conceptually PERFECT AND INFINITE. That no-evidence clause also is some very potent causality manipulation, as no evidence for someone with Survey and Apey's analytical ability means that any attack against hair-constructs effectively have never and will never happen, at all. There's some WoG about it somewhere about this without AlK perk, iirc...
I believe the hair is only fiat-backed PERFECT so long as it's on your head and used as normal hair. Cutting it off to wave indestructible and self-repairing textile should be entirely outside of the fiat-backed effect(s).

Now I'm imagining Uppercrust playing with his hair and blushing while he waits for a reply. Thank you for that image. :p
Don't be silly, with his medical condition he has long internalized the fact that brushing his hair will only result in him leaving half of it on the brush.
He is obviously drinking a shaken Martini while overlooking the city from his Penthouse. Occasionally sending a forlorn look at his box of cigars his doctor forbid him from opening ever again.

Joe should upgrade the Dyson Sphere
I mean come on if u make then entire inside surface of it habitable(gravity, air, temperature, water, soil, plants, animals )
Thought strictly speaking only the first three are really needed (For buildings and so on), the rest is nice to have

THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE!
that's assuming he can even access it. Or even just see it.
The perk only said he'd get the electricity produced by it, what the perk didn't state is if Joe would get the Dyson Sphere itself...

So if Joe is willing to go through with it, he can make ccreations that are actually made by power-tinkering. This may not be very impressive power-wise but it offers more utility, which is good. Cape powers are extremely varied so how he can go about this is equally varied. For example, figuring out how to utilize Lung's regenerative ability might be useful. It may not be something Joe actually needs but as I said, it's an option.
Also: Mega Bomb means he can power those creations with something other than the host's spiritual power. Which basically jailbreaks the whole tech tree and makes it possible to craft anything (provided crafting regents) for anyone.
He could use Lung's arm he cut off to make a flaming sword that transforms you into a fuck off rage dragon the longer your fight with it.
Alternatively he could use some of his own fleshy bits to give, say ... his Divine Body enhancement, to just about anyone he chooses to.
 
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Personal Reality (600-500): Welp, Joe probably has enough energy to do what he wants now. Incredibly there's still one more mote from this cluster and it would be enormously helpful: Tashi Station can convert that Dyson Sphere's worth of electricity into "whatever, be that mana, anbaric power, natural gas, ether, the power of love, or the power of rock and roll."
Thank you for putting time in to making a layout of what the rolls could have been, I really appreciate that you take the time out of your day to show how things with Joe's Constellations are progressing. I know I wouldn't have a clue how things could turn out without it, so when I say you missed the subtracting of 400 points for the Dyson sphere, I just wanted to confirm that my math was right or have I missed something? 100 for the connections to a city sized power source and 400 for the POWER OVERWHELMING right?

Edit: my math was wrong, I missed that it was already subtracting 500, but glad I helped with the missed error on connections anyway.
 
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When reading about the latest Power perk I can't help but wonder about the Dyson Sphere. Specifically does Joe have access to the Sphere? The desciption is somewhat ambigous there.
Going from a floor plan a bit more than a volcano to the floor plan of a Dyson sphere is a few orders of magnitude upgrade (somewhere along the lines of a 12–15 orders of magnitude upgrade in surface area). I wonder if his whole base (including volcano) is now on small area of the Dyson sphere, like it did with the volcano upgrade.
Hell, all the personal reality upgrades could be integrated not even taking up any significant space.

Actually, with Einsbern alchemy which directly translates a magus's hair into contructs and spells, along with the other hair styling perk from DMC? this is genuinely a Spiral-class power considering it is Fiat-backed to be conceptually PERFECT AND INFINITE. That no-evidence clause also is some very potent causality manipulation, as no evidence for someone with Survey and Apey's analytical ability means that any attack against hair-constructs effectively have never and will never happen, at all. There's some WoG about it somewhere about this without AlK perk, iirc...
Now he just needs a Bayonetta style suit stoping Stings…
 
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Thank you for putting time in to making a layout of what the rolls could have been, I really appreciate that you take the time out of your day to show how things with Joe's Constellations are progressing. I know I wouldn't have a clue how things could turn out without it, so when I say you missed the subtracting of 400 points for the Dyson sphere, I just wanted to confirm that my math was right or have I missed something? 100 for the connections to a city sized power source and 400 for the POWER OVERWHELMING right?
If you mean the statistics table good catch and updated.

Going from a floor plan a bit more than a volcano to the floor plan of a Dyson sphere is a few orders of magnitude upgrade. I wonder if his whole base (including volcano) is now on small area of the Dyson sphere, like it did with the volcano upgrade.
Hell, all the personal reality upgrades could be integrated not even taking up any significant space.
So, this is from the Personal Reality jumpdoc and thus even if Joe has physical access to the Dyson it will be unusable for storing anything as per the overall personal reality purpose fiat until starting space gets upgraded enough times.
 
The timing of the Teigu perk has me wondering whether Joe would make something with Noelle's monstrous half. Granted, he almost certainly wouldn't, but I just want to see Tattletale have an aneurysm.
 
The timing of the Teigu perk has me wondering whether Joe would make something with Noelle's monstrous half. Granted, he almost certainly wouldn't, but I just want to see Tattletale have an aneurysm.
Alternatively, could he make something with a donation of blood from Oliver that would "complete" Noelle's power, and put it under her control? (i.e. make it as though she had drunk the entire vial, not just half of it)

Also, isn't Blasto supposed to have a piece of the Simurgh that he uses to create The Morrígan? It would make a decent basis for an anti-Endbringer weapon, or even potentially an anti-Zion weapon.
 
Going from 'extradimensional volcano base' to 'extradimensional volcano base somewhere in a Dyson Sphere' is a big upgrade.

I do hope the structure is visible in some way, just so when someone with no experience of the forge can bluescreen at the sheer scope of the power and sophistication the Celestial Forge can call on
 
Does she though? Lisa's two Interludes only indicate that she knows Coil has a new thinker. There is no evidence she actually knows anything beyond that.

im pretty sure she knows Dinah got kidnapped, but doesn't know why, as he isn't asking her for advice for blackmail or whatever. and that coil has a new thinker out of no where. Starting to think that she's is kinda dumb.
 
im pretty sure she knows Dinah got kidnapped, but doesn't know why, as he isn't asking her for advice for blackmail or whatever. and that coil has a new thinker out of no where. Starting to think that she's is kinda dumb.
I'm thinking that Tattletale's power did draw the connection between "Dinah got kidnapped" and "Coil has a new Thinker", but Tattletale disregarded the conclusion due to March's influence, thinking that her power had started drawing conclusions from faulty data, just plain forgetting due to having to put up with Joe's Wacky Antics(TM), or some combination of the three.
 
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