Faction policies are not doubled AFAIK.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
It is not about supporting or opposing DL. It's about supporting the king against treacherous rebel scum.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
That's already a Free City, veekie.
They are. Free City policies aren't though.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
We'll make it even freer, damnit!
Huh. Can you site a source?
Or can someone else confirm?
Valleyguard is already a free city though.
Actually, nobody has the tool to understand the problem of land ownership, thus nobody can grasp the long term consequences.
- Location
- Illinois
Cause I sure as hell don't have to prove it myself. I mean, unless you can pull evidence that says the rural poor and half exiles are against DL, then as far as we know there is still no group against DL.
Which, you know, was the important part.
Would you mind voting as [Guild Secondary] so that the tally is happy?
EDIT: Same for your other votes. Please match the tally...
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- Location
- Australia
[X] [Merc] Yes
[X] [Agenda] Sea Control
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City - Sacred Forest
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City Blackmouth
[X] [Secondary] Art Patronage
[X] [Guild Sec] More Warships
[X] [Agenda] Sea Control
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City - Sacred Forest
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City Blackmouth
[X] [Secondary] Art Patronage
[X] [Guild Sec] More Warships
- Location
- over there
Does one blame the poorly-trained dog, or the owner?
If they're entrenched, subvert them.
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Crazy7s1
Excellent
[X] [Merc] Yes
[X] [Agenda] Sea Control
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City - Sacred Forest
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City Blackmouth
[X] [Secondary] Art Patronage
[X] [Guild Sec] More Warships
In veekie we trust.
[X] [Agenda] Sea Control
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City - Sacred Forest
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City Blackmouth
[X] [Secondary] Art Patronage
[X] [Guild Sec] More Warships
In veekie we trust.
Tetsurou
Communist Penguin
[X] [Merc] Yes
[X] [King's Agenda] Sea Control
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City - Sacred Forest
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City Blackmouth
[X] [Secondary] Art Patronage
[X] [Guild Secondary] More Warships
[X] [King's Agenda] Sea Control
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land
[X] [Secondary] Distribute Land x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City - Sacred Forest
[X] [Secondary] Found Free City Blackmouth
[X] [Secondary] Art Patronage
[X] [Guild Secondary] More Warships
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- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
And what do you do with a dog that has gone bad and violent? You put it down.
Ideally, yes, but easier said then done. Better to oppose them now before they can get entrenched. Now, when they would still be rebels against the king and where this fact can draw the realm to our side.
Who would be doing the subverting? The king is a patrician, the high traders and guildsmen are all patricians. Just about the only way I can see to get rid of the patricians is to catastrophically lose a war to the point where confidence in them breaks.
If you would be so kind, could you please vote with the [King's Agenda] and [Guild Secondary] tags so the tally doesn't get brought to tears?
I'm kidding. The tally doesn't have feelings; it won't care if you vote in a completely different way. So let me be more accurate - could you please vote with the [King's Agenda] and [Guild Secondary] tags so I don't get brought to tears?
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Every faction =\= "literally everyone"
If you're going to make a claim, I think it's only fair you be called to back it up. We haven't been given explicit information about the half-exiles' or rural poor's opinion on DL, so it seems weird for you to so boldly declare that they're fine with it. A priori I would expect them not to want to give additional rights to people who have a history of using and abusing them.
We're going to need to invent the concept of attainder, fast.
That way if Patricians get caught being corrupt their hereditary lands are confiscated anyway.
We also have a real problem now in that it's basically impossible to have a peaceful change of government now. As suppressing the ruling faction is impossible, they'll just gain and gain and gain power until it takes a civil war to get rid of them.
We other big problem we have is that the Patricians can force us to be a very low Centralisation state, which makes it even harder to control them. They can just spam distribute lands eternally to flat line our Centralisation, meaning that our kings won't even know what's going on. Combined with their ability to build Governor's Palaces and shift the Centralisation range down, we're screwed, as they can transition us to being a negative Centralisation state pretty trivially.
As a result, with a choice between a civil war now and one when the Patricians are even more entrenched. I choose now.
That way if Patricians get caught being corrupt their hereditary lands are confiscated anyway.
We also have a real problem now in that it's basically impossible to have a peaceful change of government now. As suppressing the ruling faction is impossible, they'll just gain and gain and gain power until it takes a civil war to get rid of them.
We other big problem we have is that the Patricians can force us to be a very low Centralisation state, which makes it even harder to control them. They can just spam distribute lands eternally to flat line our Centralisation, meaning that our kings won't even know what's going on. Combined with their ability to build Governor's Palaces and shift the Centralisation range down, we're screwed, as they can transition us to being a negative Centralisation state pretty trivially.
As a result, with a choice between a civil war now and one when the Patricians are even more entrenched. I choose now.
- Location
- Staring into the void
*slow clap*
[X] veekie
[X] veekie
Point... I think @Academia Nut will finally get that social colapse he has been after for so long.
It had to happen eventually I guess.