In case you missed it, AN told us Baby Boom is not paying out this turn. We do in fact need the PSN Expand Econ if we want to save our cities, let alone get more of them online.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Illinois
Culture heroes aren't just playwrights or singers though. Culture could be anything from military ideals to the Great Game style politics.
Not to mention we have no idea how the Culture Hero is likely to manifest, so testing it out now seems a good idea, rather than investing in the future and being shocked at what we get.
Not to mention that we aren't the only actors right now. Guilds, Traders, and Particians would like to utilize a hero to get stuff down as well (Urban poor would jump at the chance if they had actions
)Seeing a culture hero in action is more important than just upping a value, tbh.
- Location
- Australia
Highlands Cap is at 4/5.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think the factions are likely to take cultural actions; the Guilds, Priests, and Urban Poor all have access to relevant actions. It's also possible the hero could become heir. And we could potentially take Festival as our stability action.
Geniuses are a bit unpredictable; I'm not sure I want one before a Hero.
Not really a waste. Normally this would cost 3*(Secondary Action + 4 Martial + 4 Econ). That is 24 stats, and 3 secondaries. Here, we get it for 15 stats. That is a bargain.
Actually. This should also boost our two training MCs, which makes them much safer to use.
And it might put us at 6/5 loyalty for a turn, which is useful since we are purging some of the Patrician next turn.
So you know what? I changed my mind; I'll vote for this.
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
[X] [Parl] Fair Land Allocation Act (Main Distribute Land, Patricians and Yeomen approve)
[X] [Parl] Dryad Housing Act (Main Expand Forest, Priests +1 Faction Power, Yeoman approve, Patricians disapprove)
Either or is good.
[X] [React] Farm (Sec Expand Econ)
[X] [React] Settle (Sec New Settlement - Internal Reorg)
Finally work on that reorganization or get food.
[X] [React] Celebrate (Sec Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [React] Judge (Sec Enforce Justice)
Anything that rises stability or reduce corruption is good.
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Econ (-2 Centralization + Costs)
Food is food.
[X] [Lesson] The importance of skilled commanders at all levels
Seems the least martial going amok option.
[X] [Diplo] Gain a Diplo Hero (-15 Diplo)
[X] [Culture] Upgrade a random value (-18 Culture)
[X] [Mystic] Gain a new Spiritual Value slot (-15 Mysticism)
Values finally and Dipo for getting everyone to sit around a table hashing everything out, instead of waving sharp objects.
[X] [Parl] Dryad Housing Act (Main Expand Forest, Priests +1 Faction Power, Yeoman approve, Patricians disapprove)
Either or is good.
[X] [React] Farm (Sec Expand Econ)
[X] [React] Settle (Sec New Settlement - Internal Reorg)
Finally work on that reorganization or get food.
[X] [React] Celebrate (Sec Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [React] Judge (Sec Enforce Justice)
Anything that rises stability or reduce corruption is good.
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Econ (-2 Centralization + Costs)
Food is food.
[X] [Lesson] The importance of skilled commanders at all levels
Seems the least martial going amok option.
[X] [Diplo] Gain a Diplo Hero (-15 Diplo)
[X] [Culture] Upgrade a random value (-18 Culture)
[X] [Mystic] Gain a new Spiritual Value slot (-15 Mysticism)
Values finally and Dipo for getting everyone to sit around a table hashing everything out, instead of waving sharp objects.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
- Location
- a risen sea
Or it might fizzle completely, because there's a loyalty cap.
I'm not going to gamble 15 Diplo and a GA innovation opportunity on us being able to overmax loyalty.
- Location
- United Kingdom
[X] [Parl] Dryad Housing Act (Main Expand Forest, Priests +1 Faction Power, Yeoman approve, Patricians disapprove)
[X] [Parl] Cement Production Subsidies (Main Increase Cement Production, Patricians disapprove)
[X] [React] Exercise (Sec Build Gymnasium)
[X] [React] Judge (Sec Enforce Justice)
[X] [React] Contact Harmurri (Sec Diplomatic Mission)
[X] [React] Contact Freehills (Sec Diplomatic Mission)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forest (-2 Centralization + Costs)
[X] [Lesson] The importance of skilled commanders at all levels
[X] [Diplo] Begin Boundary Passage Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Diplo)
[X] [Culture] Gain a Cultural Hero (-15 Culture)
[X] [Culture] Gain a Cultural Genius (-20 Culture)
[X] [Mystic] Begin Great Library Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Mysticism)
[X] [Parl] Cement Production Subsidies (Main Increase Cement Production, Patricians disapprove)
[X] [React] Exercise (Sec Build Gymnasium)
[X] [React] Judge (Sec Enforce Justice)
[X] [React] Contact Harmurri (Sec Diplomatic Mission)
[X] [React] Contact Freehills (Sec Diplomatic Mission)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forest (-2 Centralization + Costs)
[X] [Lesson] The importance of skilled commanders at all levels
[X] [Diplo] Begin Boundary Passage Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Diplo)
[X] [Culture] Gain a Cultural Hero (-15 Culture)
[X] [Culture] Gain a Cultural Genius (-20 Culture)
[X] [Mystic] Begin Great Library Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Mysticism)
That's fine, just know that by voting for Boundary Passage, you're voting for less cities and player actions next turn.
Sure; lets count that out, then.
That still leaves the three Western Colonies, our Hat Cap Vassal-March, and two Mercenary Companies. Isn't that plenty all by itself?
[X] [Parl] Cement Production Subsidies (Main Increase Cement Production, Patricians disapprove)
[X] [React] Contact Harmurri (Sec Diplomatic Mission)
[X] [React] Celebrate (Sec Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [React] Farm (Sec Expand Econ)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Econ (-2 Centralization + Costs)
[X] [Lesson] The importance of skilled commanders at all levels
[X] [Diplo] Nothing
[X] [Culture] Begin Classical Law Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Culture)
[X] [Culture] Gain a Cultural Hero (-15 Culture)
[X] [Mystic] Begin Great Library Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Mysticism)
[X] [React] Contact Harmurri (Sec Diplomatic Mission)
[X] [React] Celebrate (Sec Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [React] Farm (Sec Expand Econ)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Econ (-2 Centralization + Costs)
[X] [Lesson] The importance of skilled commanders at all levels
[X] [Diplo] Nothing
[X] [Culture] Begin Classical Law Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Culture)
[X] [Culture] Gain a Cultural Hero (-15 Culture)
[X] [Mystic] Begin Great Library Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Mysticism)
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
Literally not. The Highland Cap are at 4.
Building +1 loyalty in a single subordinate usually costs 18 stat points that are fairly easy to recover or 8 stat points that are difficult to recover. 15 stat points for +1 loyalty to four subordinates, or even three, is massively discounted. That's a little less than four stat points per loyalty point.
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- Location
- Illinois
I think you mean the Highland Cap? Forhuch are still at 5.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
- Location
- a risen sea
I'm aware. Boundary Passage is cheap in resources, expensive in actions, and excellent (albeit indirectly) for administration.
I'm explicitly trading a few less actions next turn for more saved actions later.
In abstract, it's very stat-efficient, but when you compare it to the other options it falls a little flat.
The problem is that +1 Loyalty to our subordinates is nice, but it's only a patch-job on a larger problem. The root issue is that we're trying to juggle a lot of subordinates at once on a hilariously inefficent system. We have other options that address that systemic inefficiency, such as subordinate reform to make management easier, Boundary Passage to make reaching some of them easier, or Diplo Hero / Genius to try and overhaul everything.
And if we decide not to do anything for Diplo, that's a bit of a waste, IMO, but at least we have lots of Wealth overflow to work with.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
Ah, yep. Either way, it's still four subordinates splitting that 15 points for a loyalty gain each. It's the only feasible option for loyalty gain that isn't accidental.
Exactly which subordinates do you expect to be easier to reach, after building this? It's a north-south passage through the boundary hills.
And you left out the value of a Cultural Hero to keeping our subordinates loyal. Stories that make people feel like they're part of a great nation make them slower to want to go their own way.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
@Academia Nut
Was the Dryad Housing Act named so due to us getting the excess work force to manage the forest more by setting up suburbs within? Like handful of households spread across forests that does the usual pruning and pre-processes the forest resources before selling.
Was the Dryad Housing Act named so due to us getting the excess work force to manage the forest more by setting up suburbs within? Like handful of households spread across forests that does the usual pruning and pre-processes the forest resources before selling.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
A dryad is a spirit that lives within a tree. The act's name is a joke by AN and I'm pretty sure it's not the actual in-universe name
- Location
- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
- Pronouns
- Any
[X] [Parl] Cement Production Subsidies (Main Increase Cement Production, Patricians disapprove)
[X] [React] Farm (Sec Expand Econ)
[X] [React] Celebrate (Sec Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [React] Contact Harmurri (Sec Diplomatic Mission)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Econ (-2 Centralization + Costs)
[X] [Diplo] Begin Boundary Passage Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Diplo)
[X] [Culture] Nothing
[X] [Mystic] Begin Great Library Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Mysticism)
[X] [Lesson] The importance of skilled commanders at all levels
[X] [React] Farm (Sec Expand Econ)
[X] [React] Celebrate (Sec Improve Annual Festival)
[X] [React] Contact Harmurri (Sec Diplomatic Mission)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Econ (-2 Centralization + Costs)
[X] [Diplo] Begin Boundary Passage Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Diplo)
[X] [Culture] Nothing
[X] [Mystic] Begin Great Library Megaproject in its own action track (-12 Mysticism)
[X] [Lesson] The importance of skilled commanders at all levels
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- Location
- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
Alright, can we talk for a minute about how cool the Salt Sea People sound? I want to learn so much more about them! An ancient religious society? Do they have their own religious a la mylathadism? What does it look like? How does it fit in with their survival strategy against the nomads?
We should set up a Trading Post over there. So. Cool.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Their survival strategy sounds like 'bend over at the smallest provocation'. Which really isn't that cool...
If you're so sure of that, explaining the specific connectivity benefits should be easy.
- Location
- Illinois
More like 'Be the reed bending before the wind, rather than the oak that stands strong until it breaks'.