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[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)

Ok, I expected worse.
On the other hand, this will be expensive...

But to hell with it.
Historically, absence of slaves was arguably the most efficient way for progress, since progress is a way to address these wealth costs.
 
[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
[X] [PP] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn)
[X] [PP] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [PP] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
 
[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
 
Academia Nut said:
It would modify the practice and make things more expensive and thus discourage the abusive use of making undesirables half-exiles, but the practice and its abuses wouldn't be completely eliminated.
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Okay, so it would modify it to require more stringent checks to make someone into a Half Exile or something?
Make it harder for a person to become one, and possibly require educating their children or something?

I'm just trying to figure out where the exorbitant Wealth cost is going to be coming from.
 
[X] [Dam] Move to the bigger but more useful proposal (1 Wealth and 1 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 2 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)


[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x2
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x3
[X] [PP] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)

Fix the half-exile problem, but we NEED markets to pay for this. We can switch them off once the markets are built, but we absolutely need to get those markets up ASAP.
 
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
 
[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
 
[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
 
[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x2
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x3
[X] [PP] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
 
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[X] [Dam] Move to the bigger but more useful proposal (1 Wealth and 1 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 2 actions to complete)

[X] [Purity] The Puritans broke (Lose the Purity trait, possible loss of the prohibition on slavery)
[X] [Purity] Some hypocrisy is acceptable (Greater Justice modified)
[X] [Purity] Look to the heavens for a sign (Random, could be all good results from above options, could be all bad results from above options, likely a mix)

[X] [PP] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x2
[X] [PP] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
 
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One good thing about making half exiles more expensive is it's going to force our civ to figure out how to make work much cheaper. It worked in the middle ages after the black plague, it will probably work here.

Eventually.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Okay, so it would modify it to require more stringent checks to make someone into a Half Exile or something?
Make it harder for a person to become one, and possibly require educating their children or something?

I'm just trying to figure out where the exorbitant Wealth cost is going to be coming from.
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To be honest some of it does make little sense. For instance why would mercenary companies cost twice as much for a modified half-exile system.

That said the worst that can happen is... we break from being too moral during the next crises when we get trade disruptions or something. That has always been a possibility.
 
065tdsa said:
What does slavery even have to do with what was being debated?
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"If Half Exiles are kept around because they are impure, and Purity is being lambasted, than what difference is there between Half Exiles and Slaves?"

Basically, because we founded Half Exiles on the idea of them being "spiritually impure" people are starting to wonder why we keep them around if Purity isn't such a big deal.
And if we do keep them around, people start to wonder why we just don't have Slaves instead.
 
Do mine eyes deceive me? The Highlanders are once again becoming a nuisance and will potentially war with us! Who could have seen this coming?

More seriously, we should have exterminated them ages ago.
 
[X] [Dam] Move to the bigger but more useful proposal (1 Wealth and 1 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 2 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
 
Citino said:
One good thing about making half exiles more expensive is it's going to force our civ to figure out how to make work much cheaper. It worked in the middle ages after the black plague, it will probably work here.

Eventually.
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Building the Super Dam will let us build a ton of Mills apparently, so.....
The Damn Dam keeps on giving!
 
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
 
Hm. Wealth generation was just nerfed and then suddenly an option everyone wants that doubles all Wealth costs pops up. How interesting. I am kind of worried that everyone is going to rush for the abolition of slavery without having run the math on whether we can afford it.

Oh well, what can you do. I know a loosing fight if i see one. We better get cracking on those markets, because those will be really damn important going forward. We might also want to try and pick up some trading related values.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Ghostdevil on Nov 13, 2017 at 5:12 PM, finished with 1546 posts and 91 votes.
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