Paths of Civilization

Chehrazad · Nov 13, 2017

Academia Nut said:
waiting for @ManusDomine to actually be online.

I live.

Kiba · Nov 13, 2017

Raichu1972 said:
If we get taken over by another religion, it def won't be Monotheism, especially in the current climate.

They are a group that resists foreign influences, and are currently seen as weirdos, but not in a bad way.
There are a very distinct minority, and if anything our current religion doesn't involve Purity or anything close to it.
Damaging Purity, or at least attempting to, shouldn't have dented our religion at all.

Unless the Khem came out of nowhere with missionaries and we now worship the God King or something, we should be fine on that front.

It's more like the monotheists got Ymarynified.

ManusDomine said:
I live.

LET THE DOOM COMMENCE!

*run away screaming like a girl*

ctulhuslp · Nov 13, 2017

Candesce said:
We can be taken over by other religions.

It won't be in one turn when it happens.

Except now we've established relationship with them and removed the faction of people who were most keen on not converting (by very dubious means, but).

tenchifew said:
Where?
We actually had a chance for a religious tolerance trait, not an indication of our religion not being robust.
Some people will convert easily, true.
But to convert the majority, let alone everyone, in a culture where priests thrive on discussion and different points of view - well, not easy, at all, and certainly not possible in one turn.

Kiba said:
The Ymaryn's culture of endless discussion and debates will make it difficult for any religion to remain unchanged. An unflexible religion will fail to convince the majority.

It does mean that the results can be unpredictable, however.

I suspect as we accumulate more and more theological advancements and more solid foundation, it will get harder and harder for outside religions to infiltrate the Ymaryn, and more like the opposite will happen.

Nah, not really:

Academia Nut said:
The earliest Organized Religions are kind of vulnerable to that, by design. The fact that you took a very laissez-faire attitude and it developed Syncretism means that it's pretty much going to serve as a way for other groups to nucleate their own regional religions using the theological developments of the People as fuel.

Academia Nut said:
Zoroastrianism has had influences on the Abrahamic faiths for a variety of reasons across multiple millennia, so yes, something will survive.

By taking open-minded approach we essentially doomed our religion to the fate of "feed next generation with finest debating techniques and then die to less tolerant and open-minded ones".
Unless we take much, much, much more effort to preserve it as is: shitton of temples, libraries and academies to the point more stats-optimizing folks start considering xenophobic closed-minded monotheism better alternative because it's more efficient.

ManusDomine said:
I live.

And heeere wee go.

tenchifew · Nov 13, 2017

ctulhuslp said:
Unless we take much, much, much more effort to preserve it as is: shitton of temples, libraries and academies to the point more stats-optimizing folks start considering xenophobic closed-minded monotheism better alternative because it's more efficient.

I am up for it!

DocMatoi · Nov 13, 2017

ManusDomine said:
I live.

not for long, apparently

agumentic · Nov 13, 2017

Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers
Right, that should be the link to PoC discord. If you feel the need to vent your salt, better do it there, so thread stays unlocked.

Raichu1972 · Nov 13, 2017

Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers

This should be the link to the PoC Discord, btw, for anyone who wants to join.
It will be nice for people to not clutter up the thread with salt or just casual chatting, and instead move it here when the update drops.

ctulhuslp · Nov 13, 2017

tenchifew said:
I am up for it!

I am sorta too, but we have a lot of things on our plate.

And while I am pretty sure answer is not going to be relevant for quite some time if the warning is any indication, I still should ask: will Spirits Active Policy build only temples or Temples/Libraries/Observatories?
edit: @Academia Nut ?

agumentic said:
Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers
Right, that should be the link to PoC discord. If you feel the need to vent your salt, better do it there, so thread stays unlocked.

Raichu1972 said:
Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers

This should be the link to the PoC Discord, btw, for anyone who wants to join.
It will be nice for people to not clutter up the thread with salt or just casual chatting, and instead move it here when the update drops.

FIre is warm

LuciDreamer · Nov 13, 2017

Welp, I guess things will be on fire pretty soon.

But fear not! Ymaryn's forests are very well-known for being fire-retardant!

PurposefulZephyr · Nov 13, 2017

I feel genuinely excited to have a chance to discuss an important issue.

On the other hand, I feel vague terror on this significant crisis we'll be facing.

I should feel sorry for the mod who's going to manage this eruption of molten rage and controversy, but at the same time it's exciting on it's own.

I can't wait.

bluefur87 · Nov 13, 2017

LuciDreamer said:
Welp, I guess things will be on fire pretty soon.

But fear not! Ymaryn's forests are very well-known for being fire-retardant!

Not gonna lie, as long as the forests survive I'm good.

tenchifew · Nov 13, 2017

PurposefulZephyr said:
I feel genuinely excited to have a chance to discuss an important issue.

On the other hand, I feel vague terror on this significant crisis we'll be facing.

I should feel sorry for the mod who's going to manage this eruption of molten rage and controversy, but at the same time it's exciting on it's own.

I can't wait.

I actually hope it will be alright.
The last time we have been forewarned the salt was astonishingly moderate.

Manget · Nov 13, 2017

My guess is that we falled to get the Patricians and Priests on board with the purge and they got a puritan elected heir.

tenchifew · Nov 13, 2017

Manget said:
My guess is that we falled to get the Patricians and Priests on board with the purge and they got a puritan elected heir.

This...
could actually have happened.

10ebbor10 · Nov 13, 2017

George said:
Just remember everyone: don't advocate evil stuff in narrative terms and avoid personal attacks and relating things to modern RL stuff.

Have you tried Kill all the poor?

ctulhuslp · Nov 13, 2017

10ebbor10 said:
Have you tried Kill all the poor?

Filthy capitalist.
Folks, I've found Trelli infiltrator!

George · Nov 13, 2017

Manget said:
My guess is that we falled to get the Patricians and Priests on board with the purge and they got a puritan elected heir.

pls no

tenchifew · Nov 13, 2017

ctulhuslp said:
Filthy capitalist.
Folks, I've found Trelli infiltrator!

Call the Blackbird inquisition!

keenscythe · Nov 13, 2017

Could it be an martial coup?

Or Redshore breaking away?

agumentic · Nov 13, 2017

keenscythe said:
Could it be an martial coup?

Or Redshore breaking away?

That would be really out of nowhere.

Raichu1972 · Nov 13, 2017

keenscythe said:
Could it be an martial coup?

Or Redshore breaking away?

We don't have anywhere near max martial, and Redshore has 0/5 trouble.

Also, we have max 3 legitimacy, so probably not.

Chronic · Nov 13, 2017

Maybe the Monotheists of Highlander flavor and the Puritans joined forces against the evil government suppression and our new religion is now xenophobic puritan monotheism! Getting rid of PiA in one turn!

Hey it could happen!

SeptimusMagisto · Nov 13, 2017

ctulhuslp said:
By taking open-minded approach we essentially doomed our religion to the fate of "feed next generation with finest debating techniques and then die to less tolerant and open-minded ones".
Unless we take much, much, much more effort to preserve it as is: shitton of temples, libraries and academies to the point more stats-optimizing folks start considering xenophobic closed-minded monotheism better alternative because it's more efficient.

As far as I can tell, that says that other groups are likely to create their own spin-off religions with ours as a base, not that our base religion is itself particularly vulnerable. Historically, religious tolerance seems to be fairly stable as long as the polity supporting it is stable.

That said, we should be on the lookout for someone else rolling up a genius mystic.

George · Nov 13, 2017

Just by the way, we're going to need to go back on a Skullduggery passive policy. We've been spending a fair bit of intrigue and are nearly out.

PrimalShadow · Nov 13, 2017

Skulduggery. Diplomacy. Vassal Support. Infrastructure.

That is where we need to be.

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