Clearly what we should do is found isolated temples where the spiritually unclean go to reform themselves under the supervision and guidance of the spiritually pure.

...That could blow up so many ways, but it might be the best bet if available. Might be a megaproject too, hilariously.
 
Well, either the purge went wrong or our trade mission was murdered. Or something very strange happened, but one of those seems most likely. I'm guessing the purge, but we'll have to see.

Yes, my guess is the purge failed badly.
Well, we knew it was a possibility.

Now I just hope we have a way out.

This said, we went in relaively well prepared regarding stats, so I hope we will have some acceptable options to go forward.

Let's just try to avoid RL politics/religion and blaming each other - the thread locking hours after the update won't help us deal with the problems.
 
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Clearly what we should do is found isolated temples where the spiritually unclean go to reform themselves under the supervision and guidance of the spiritually pure.
Ergh.

As a reform of our criminal justice system, that's probably workable.

Expect it to cost us out the ears, though, because we'll need a new source of labor to do all the jobs the half-exiles were forced to undertake - the vital-to-our civilization, highly unpleasant jobs that we're probably not capable of paying people to do on the scale necessary.

If we are, I'll of course be very pleasantly surprised. Forced labor has a lot of ugly externalities and inefficiencies associated with it. But make no mistake, it'll hurt to so much as try - it's not like we're short of things we need to spend wealth on.
 
Ergh.

As a reform of our criminal justice system, that's probably workable.

Expect it to cost us out the ears, though, because we'll need a new source of labor to do all the jobs the half-exiles were forced to undertake - the vital-to-our civilization, highly unpleasant jobs that we're probably not capable of paying people to do on the scale necessary.

If we are, I'll of course be very pleasantly surprised. Forced labor has a lot of ugly externalities and inefficiencies associated with it. But make no mistake, it'll hurt to so much as try - it's not like we're short of things we need to spend wealth on.
And that's not going into the fact that these would likely be isolated out of the way locations that are probably somewhat self sustaining where we send people we don't like to all congregate in one area for one reason or another. :V

So many ways it could go wrong.
 
Not directly relevant, but I find it funny how the description says Colonies are good at resource extraction but actually it seems like Marches are the best. In times of peace colonies expand like crazy, whereas Marches build up their martial to the cap and then switch to resource extraction.

Also, if there are hard decisions coming up, that makes me think that we aren't getting that Golden Age anytime soon. Oh well.
Not only that but we will be able to grab a new linked value. What do you guys think we should grab? I would say something from the Harmuri, we are friendly with them just like with Freehills and some value affinity will only help keep us that way.
Harmurri have a good trade value we think, Freehills might have something else nice (we'll have to see if there's anything available) and the Khemetri likely have some very powerful values (so long as we don't break ourselves with their power, since they are only partially compatible)

it's not like we're short of things we need to spend wealth on.
If we build a couple more markets our Wealth income will be putting us into a Guilded Age all the time if we don't get some extra wealth costs. Mind, that is still a couple turns out.
 
So, things are on fire again.
Sigh.
Well. I suppose it's a combination of purging and trade mission which resulted in us accidentally converting to monotheism or something in this vein.
 
If we build a couple more markets our Wealth income will be putting us into a Guilded Age all the time without something to cost us. Mind, that is still a couple turns out.
Keep in mind that we've got a LOT of wealth sinks.
  • Build Roads
  • Build Mills
  • Efficient Kilns, Increase Cement Production
  • Improve Annual Festival
  • Hunt Troublemakers, Launch Intrigue Mission
  • Support Sacred Orders, Raise Army
  • More Warships
  • Salt Gift, Diplomatic Mission
  • Study Alchemy/Health/Metal
The point is, we can actually spend a huge amount of wealth, and often have to to get the projects we want done. And it is only going to get worse as our factions start spending spare resources without our input.
 
Isn't the Half-Exile system mostly functional in the Core (however the Core is defined these days)?

It may well be fixable by improved temple coverage and interconnectivity. Or we get roaming judges that review Half Exile sentences.

Or we make it mandatory that Half Exiles have to be transferred to another Province for their sentence, making it less useful for a Governor to sentence some people to fill up a quota. It's still shitty and likely used against politically unpopular groups, but it at least lessens some of the abuses.
 
Just remember everyone: don't advocate evil stuff in narrative terms and avoid personal attacks and relating things to modern RL stuff.
 
Nah, it's explicitly noted as too open-minded to survive long-term when assaulted by comparatively less flexible doctrines.

Where?
We actually had a chance for a religious tolerance trait, not an indication of our religion not being robust.
Some people will convert easily, true.
But to convert the majority, let alone everyone, in a culture where priests thrive on discussion and different points of view - well, not easy, at all, and certainly not possible in one turn.
 
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Nah, it's explicitly noted as too open-minded to survive long-term when assaulted by comparatively less flexible doctrines.

The Ymaryn's culture of endless discussion and debates will make it difficult for any religion to remain unchanged. An unflexible religion will fail to convince the majority.

It does mean that the results can be unpredictable, however.

I suspect as we accumulate more and more theological advancements and more solid foundation, it will get harder and harder for outside religions to infiltrate the Ymaryn, and more like the opposite will happen.
 
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Isn't the Half-Exile system mostly functional in the Core (however the Core is defined these days)?

It may well be fixable by improved temple coverage and interconnectivity. Or we get roaming judges that review Half Exile sentences.

Or we make it mandatory that Half Exiles have to be transferred to another Province for their sentence, making it less useful for a Governor to sentence some people to fill up a quota. It's still shitty and likely used against politically unpopular groups, but it at least lessens some of the abuses.
It's mostly functional outside cities when you're a stone's throw from an authority not related to the local patrician. Everywhere else it's being massively and systematically abused such that it's basically slavery.

Those measures would have prevented it, but they're also very expensive, and its abuses are too ingrained to stop easily now. We're going to have to take one painful step per century to fix it.
 
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Nah, it's explicitly noted as too open-minded to survive long-term when assaulted by comparatively less flexible doctrines.
If we get taken over by another religion, it def won't be Monotheism, especially in the current climate.

They are a group that resists foreign influences, and are currently seen as weirdos, but not in a bad way.
There are a very distinct minority, and if anything our current religion doesn't involve Purity or anything close to it.
Damaging Purity, or at least attempting to, shouldn't have dented our religion at all.

Unless the Khem came out of nowhere with missionaries and we now worship the God King or something, we should be fine on that front.
 
Isn't the Half-Exile system mostly functional in the Core (however the Core is defined these days)?

It may well be fixable by improved temple coverage and interconnectivity. Or we get roaming judges that review Half Exile sentences.

Or we make it mandatory that Half Exiles have to be transferred to another Province for their sentence, making it less useful for a Governor to sentence some people to fill up a quota. It's still shitty and likely used against politically unpopular groups, but it at least lessens some of the abuses.

Not really.
It works somewhat in core, and not at all on the edges.
We basically had a "half exile class" for ages, since only truly exceptional people could break out of it.

It needs a reform, badly, but it would be a doozy, this is why we did not touch it for so long, sonce the tax reform will probably be remebered favorably in comparison.
 
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