LuciDreamer
Maliciously Incompetent
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Low Stab, multiple crises, and we're spending resources taking the city of Trelli again. Also, we've had waaaaay too much good luck so far throughout this Quest.
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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So you want to leave all three of our merc companies inntrelli for the next several centuries? By far the largest problem with taking Trelli is that once they stablilise they have no reason to stay loyal to s, and many to try to break away. This won't change until they see themselves as Ymaryn, which even with multiple Influence Subordinate actions( which will be absolutely necessary, and I have zero confidence whatsoever in the thread actually doing) will take 20+ turns to actually complete. Trell would be an incredible prize if we could keep it, but we simply have too many problems to deal with right now, and other prizes like the lowlands that no one is willing to actually put in the effort to exploit.
- Location
- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
Does that include the Enforce Justice action we're taking at the midturn? Won't that apply before we get a Stab hit from the Second Sons?
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- Germany
And my point is that our Naval simple isn't high enough, the Trelli sat on the Naval Stat since before we met them and then had near endless Wealth engine going on by trading between us and the Khet, to the point that they started hiring countless Merc. companies just to conquer stuff,
So you can't honestly expect me to believe that despite all this they decided to stay at Navy 2
I honestly expect that despite imploding the Trelli will still have part to their Navy and expect that this Navy will definitly be way above Navy 2
And that counteracts my arguement how ?
Ah right it doesn't, it fact it jus tpoint out the naval superiority that the Pirates currently have with their hero, which will be the deciding factor for the war so many want to start
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
Foolish yes, but not novel.
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- Germany
corrected that for you and until this changes my arguement stays valid
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
The empire fracture/die when -4 stability is touched, touched being brief contact even if we will jump to +3 stability next update.
Losing land gives us heavy stability damage, land from vassal or subsidiary states inclusive.
With current plague, second son, unknow faith turnout, and pending currency crisis; as well as unknown internal reaction for Storm Wolf defeating disowned West Y.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
You know, I've seen a few people complain about the difficulty spike, but if this is how you guys threat a crisis, the difficulty spike is not the problem here.
Our "soft" loss condition in this game is for the Ymaryn to stop existing as a polity, whether by breaking into small pieces or being conquered. Now, this is merely a soft loss condition and not a hard one because if that happens we get to continue as one of our Successors; it would screw up a huge number of things, but it wouldn't be game over.
Now, why is that likely/possible? Well, we explicitly know that when things get bad enough in our polity, it breaks into pieces. For us, "bad enough" means every touching -4 stability. If we are ever at that value, the People go poof.
Normally, that is a distant concern. We try to keep ourselves at 1-3 stability, so we would have to take an enormous series of losses to risk falling over the edge. However, our current stability is NEGATIVE TWO. That means we literally need two stability hits to lose.
The more different projects we take on, the less time we have to restore our stability, generate econ to avoid starvation, and generally handle crises as they come up. If we even get one turn where we don't have enough actions to do everything needed to keep stability up, we splinter; nothing more and nothing else.
For this reason, a good fraction of this thread opposes invading Trell. Doing so would expose us to a bunch of new neighbors that we were previously isolated from; that risks spawning events that we have to either deal with or suffer losses from, and those losses may very well kill us. Furthermore, holding Trell itself may similarly spawn events.
And that is why people are talking about us exploding.
I think we are going to go to -3 from refugees, and come back to -1 from EJ.
No, this has not been included yet. We'll be at -1 stab after the mid turn vote.
I mean, you're kind of ignoring the fact that he still lost regardless.
Please note that when the Trelli was distracted, we were likely to have conquered the Trelli before the end of the turn, but we decided to free the slaves instead.
This was with zero navy score.
The current plague is likely to be solved with a bath soon. Second Son might be solved next turn. Our new religion was never a problem, and in fact, will save our asses.
WY is not part of our polity.
I agree that the war is a serious distraction in every sense of the world. We cannot be gaining more subordinates when we still haven't swallowed or exploit any of our territory.
@Academia Nut If we conquer Trelli, what is the impact administratively? Will it make easier to control and manage our empire, especially Tinriver and Greenshore?
This was with zero navy score.
The current plague is likely to be solved with a bath soon. Second Son might be solved next turn. Our new religion was never a problem, and in fact, will save our asses.
WY is not part of our polity.
I agree that the war is a serious distraction in every sense of the world. We cannot be gaining more subordinates when we still haven't swallowed or exploit any of our territory.
@Academia Nut If we conquer Trelli, what is the impact administratively? Will it make easier to control and manage our empire, especially Tinriver and Greenshore?
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- Germany
No I'm not ignoring it, I'm just aware of the fact that we didn't win either, due to our low navy
And that is my whole point, this won't be a defensive war where we can just ignore the other guy until he goes away, no we need to win here and for that we actually need to reach the city, which has a real chance of not happening due our navy not being strong enought to get our warriors to the Trelli in the first place
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No change for the other periphery states, and Trelli itself will be a pain to manage unless you depopulate it and fill with your own settlers, in which case it will merely be irritating to manage. Net harder either way.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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Freehills are not currently attending the Games, but we can invite them, and as for their shot at taking the strait:
That's from just before the midturn, so it should definitely meet your "within two turns" criterion.
Reread the section where they left:
"The pirate clans that the People had been fighting, realizing that the land war was all but lost and the only reason that they were able to keep up with the material superiority of the People's ships was because their king was somehow more of a naval madman than the warriors who rode war catamarans, decided to just pack up and run to the west."
Your enemies conceding and retreating because they think they cannot defeat you is still a victory.
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By depopulating Trelli, do you mean forcing the people who live there out to rural areas or just killing everyone but the slaves in the city?
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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[X] [SR] Rotate governors (All periphery states with at least one province cost -1 Diplo/turn each turn, have Min. 2 Loyalty)
[X] [HS] Increase Professionalism (Found Mercenary Company, Reforms advance)
[X] [Attack] Hire out mercenary company
-[X] [Attack] Both
--[X] [Attack] To Freehills
[X] [HS] Increase Professionalism (Found Mercenary Company, Reforms advance)
[X] [Attack] Hire out mercenary company
-[X] [Attack] Both
--[X] [Attack] To Freehills
Romv
A Memory of TREES
[] [SR] Rotate governors (All periphery states with at least one province cost -1 Diplo/turn each turn, have Min. 2 Loyalty)
This choice is very frustrating to me. We can get something we can really use (Econ) but doing so will probably hurt our Loyalty. And the choice that would actually help us in the long run is unaffordable. So I'm not voting, but expressing my desire for the option you see above.
[] [HS] Main Build Gymnasium (Does not advance Reforms, +1 Stability)
I almost want to take this, not even for the Stability, but just because it would advance our education a bit.
[X] [HS] Increase Professionalism (Found Mercenary Company, Reforms advance)
Going to go with this one. The shot at finishing with the Moronic Yeomen Bullshit is worth it. We could also use an army to protect us against vague portents from AN (It's obviously Highlanders with gunpowder).
[X] [Attack] Hire out mercenary company
-[X] [Attack] Both
--[X] [Attack] To Freehills
I'm so over Trelli. On the other hand, I like Freehills. It's a match made in heaven. Have fun with the strait, guys, you can come party at our awesome Games soon, I promise.
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
It was this or Infrastructure, but since we're probably going to piss off our subordinates even more than before ...
By the way, shouldn't we get +5 Diplo every turn with Western Ymaryn being separate from us, but still participating in the Games?
This choice is very frustrating to me. We can get something we can really use (Econ) but doing so will probably hurt our Loyalty. And the choice that would actually help us in the long run is unaffordable. So I'm not voting, but expressing my desire for the option you see above.
[] [HS] Main Build Gymnasium (Does not advance Reforms, +1 Stability)
I almost want to take this, not even for the Stability, but just because it would advance our education a bit.
[X] [HS] Increase Professionalism (Found Mercenary Company, Reforms advance)
Going to go with this one. The shot at finishing with the Moronic Yeomen Bullshit is worth it. We could also use an army to protect us against vague portents from AN (It's obviously Highlanders with gunpowder).
[X] [Attack] Hire out mercenary company
-[X] [Attack] Both
--[X] [Attack] To Freehills
I'm so over Trelli. On the other hand, I like Freehills. It's a match made in heaven. Have fun with the strait, guys, you can come party at our awesome Games soon, I promise.
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
It was this or Infrastructure, but since we're probably going to piss off our subordinates even more than before ...
I love it, and I hope we adopt or fuse it as soon as possible.
By the way, shouldn't we get +5 Diplo every turn with Western Ymaryn being separate from us, but still participating in the Games?
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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Forced relocation, massacre, or mass exile are all very much opposite of justice in every way.
Pretty sure we are not planning to play "let's exploit other people" game.
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I mean that no one of that culture will live in the city when you are done. How this is achieved is not entirely relevant, but is at minimum ethnic cleansing via displacement (which will kill a large percentage of not outright majority of those affected) and genocide in most cases.
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- Australia
Guys, please don't vote to invade Trelli. Even if we succeed it'll just increase our administrative strain and require us to invest more resources and actions. Supporting Freehills nets us an ally, makes us money, does not require further actions or resources, and has the highest chance of successfully preventing the pirate king from taking Trelli.
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- Germany
It's not, victory is archieving your goal and our goal was to stop the pirate raids from happening, which we failed to do
I mean sure it's nice that the pirate kingdom was stopped early, but doesn't change the fact that the pirates can just keep doing the same shit, again and again, which is what the pirates currently try to do under their king with their superior naval power,
Or you know we could hire them out to WY and prevent them from bleeding all our tech into the steppe
LuciDreamer
Maliciously Incompetent
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- United States
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Oh, so invading a foreign polity of a culture contrary to most of the Ymaryn values is going to be a lot harder than just putting soldiers in the city. Who knew.
In all seriousness though, can we all please just vote to lease the merc companies over to the Freehills? :3