- Location
- Canada
By moving our capital there, it's the best place to rule from per AN. It lets is dominate our vassals economically and the canals will let our lowlands vassals reach us quickly as well.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- Austria
We did never do it so far. What makes you think it will change?
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- Australia
Where did you get this information?
But what about overflow?
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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So... you want to take the entire bureaucratic apparatus, the tens of thousands of clerks and take them away from the Palace and The Library? Then ship them across the sea and put them in a place which has none of the infrastructure they rely on. That sounds like a terrible idea.
It also sounds like another megaproject, plus do the Ymaryn even have a concept of moving a capital? Is it going to be something we can even do?
- Location
- Austria
How do you imagine managing Lowlands from there if reaching them will take way longer than ittakes us now to reach Greenshore - which we cannot control?
Also we do not yet have the channel sorelying in plans on it is hilarious.
Oh, about "quickly": water travel is cheap, not necessarily fast. Travel to Lowlands, say, Thunder Horse, from Trelli would mean:
- Going to Redshore
- Going from there to Valleyhome, part if the road on foot
- Going downstream from there
- Going *by land* to Thunder Horse necause they are on different river.
And yes, moving the whole Palace is, by amount of work, at least ~Tier 2 megaproject with all those annexes.
Carrnage
Human
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- New Zealand
I swear to god if we pick something over than dam even though it has been stated again and again to be needed for bulk transport to the lowlands (including soldiers) i will scream.
- Location
- Somewhere
But, our stability would still be affected. We are predicting to exit out of this turn with -1 stability IIRC. That would mean EJ would get used, and it would be best to use it twice, not once. A centralization drop by taking Trelli would be helpful. That way we can continue using [secondary] EJ.
Edit; I'm doubtful of Veekie's 16 centralization cap.
@veekie can you show your work, with examples, on how you got 16 centralization cap?
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Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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It's not up to us - the reward is a random Megaproject. Which is part of what makes it so funny, honestly.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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If you want to take Trelli for the cent drop alone(which is only somewhat possible), please be aware of the risks involved.
Secondary EJ's would just fuse as well.
Something like:
Main ??
Sec ??
Sec ??
Sec EJ
Sec EJ
Is not possible and that vote simply reads as:
Main ??
Sec ??
Sec ??
Sec EJ
Sec ??
[X] [SR] Food (Colonies and vassals transfer 1 Econ/turn each)
[X] [HS] Increase Professionalism (FoundMercenary Company, Reforms advance)
[X] [Attack] Attempt to take the Trelli Strait
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[X] [HS] Increase Professionalism (FoundMercenary Company, Reforms advance)
[X] [Attack] Attempt to take the Trelli Strait
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
Great news, we have 1/4 chance of completing the Dam project that we need.
Great Library - 33 stats cost. Culture gets refunded at half.
Academy - 15 stats cost. Culture gets refunded at half.
Great Dam - 12 stat.
Triangle Canal - 33 stat. Tech don't count because they get refunded.
In term of stat efficiency and getting what we need, we should hope for Triangle Canal completion, which should give us access to bulk food. But I find the Dam+canal project more important than the triangle canal.
Completing the Great Library would be nice, but it doesn't get us food.
E: Just realized that reformer legacy doesn't give us full refund. Just half.
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- Sleeping Somewhere
"Guild (6) - Power: Half faction power added to Max Wealth. Objective: Have a Level 2 Ironworks within 3 turns. Success: Free random megaproject AN: Yes, an entire megaproject, in a single turn, no charge"
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*Ahem*
Maniacal Laughter aside there are a lot of interesting choices this turn, lets see if we can't make the best of it.
[X] [SR] Food (Colonies and vassals transfer 1 Econ/turn each)
This seems to be the best decision we can make between the taxes, no real contest.
[X] [HS] Increase Professionalism (Found Mercenary Company, Reforms advance)
Professionalism seems like a good idea right now, lowers our martial and is not too costly. It might even let us resolve the second son crisis.
As for the rest of the options... I am rather torn on what to choose. On one hand I really want to take trelli. On the other, there is no longer any penalty for ignoring it and we have a lot of other problems to focus on. If we aren't going to claim it ourselves I think assisting Freehills would be the best choice. Not sure what is the best pick for a policy either. So until further notice, this is my vote.
...Hahahaha...hahaha...HAHAHAHAHA!
*Ahem*
Maniacal Laughter aside there are a lot of interesting choices this turn, lets see if we can't make the best of it.
[X] [SR] Food (Colonies and vassals transfer 1 Econ/turn each)
This seems to be the best decision we can make between the taxes, no real contest.
[X] [HS] Increase Professionalism (Found Mercenary Company, Reforms advance)
Professionalism seems like a good idea right now, lowers our martial and is not too costly. It might even let us resolve the second son crisis.
As for the rest of the options... I am rather torn on what to choose. On one hand I really want to take trelli. On the other, there is no longer any penalty for ignoring it and we have a lot of other problems to focus on. If we aren't going to claim it ourselves I think assisting Freehills would be the best choice. Not sure what is the best pick for a policy either. So until further notice, this is my vote.
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Why are you people trying to take more land when we're already massively overextended and in the middle of multiple crises?
Trelli is not going to stay loyal and will rebel once they recover. Do people think that this is a videogame where painting the map our colour makes them unquestionably loyal? We have so many problems we need to fix and adding so many more is not going to be helpful. Conquering Trelli is going to be no good when we can't hold it. Please just wait, there'll be opportunities to take it when we're not dying. Also, if it was taken with found mercenary company, we'd be over our subordinate cap.
Trelli is not going to stay loyal and will rebel once they recover. Do people think that this is a videogame where painting the map our colour makes them unquestionably loyal? We have so many problems we need to fix and adding so many more is not going to be helpful. Conquering Trelli is going to be no good when we can't hold it. Please just wait, there'll be opportunities to take it when we're not dying. Also, if it was taken with found mercenary company, we'd be over our subordinate cap.
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- Somewhere
Right, I forgot, two secondaries would just combine into one main. That's why we went [Main] EJ, and [Secondary] EJ one turn. We used to be able to have something like [secondary]EJ, and [secondary]EJx2 in the same turn. The two would just fuse into one main for the turn result. Are we still able to have the X2, or did AN change the rules at some point?
This would mean taking [secondary] EJ at least once a turn. If the cap is 16, being more proactive with build roads shouldn't be a problem. Personally, I'd rather slowly crawl past 9 centralization, to make sure 16 is most likely the cap, than rush over that number 9.
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Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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We have a crisis that requires high Centralization to end, and PSN votes at the midturn to dump any excess we end up with. How is overcentralization more of a risk than letting the Second Sons crisis continue to drag on?
[] [SR] Food (Colonies and vassals transfer 1 Econ/turn each)
[X] [SR] Food (Colonies and vassals transfer 1 Econ/turn each)
THIS ONE. This one thisonethisone.
Our centralization must be greater than 5? and our martial less than five.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Yeah, its always been the case from what I recall that for Secondaries we can do x2 and fuse them into a main: An example is Expand Econ -> Sec Expand Econ + Sec Expand Econ x2 = Main Expand Econ.
We are also going to be taking lots of PSN so we have to have in the range of +2 Cent per turn in order to actually increase Cent, which means main EJ's.