Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
No sub-votes on conversation topics, please. You can vote for as many things as you like, but each topic needs its own vote.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. I'll change it.
EDIT: Like this?
[] Have a spar.
-[] Tell him about your current power limits.
-[] Also mention you have a trick you want to try and this is the best place for it. (Golden Oazaru)
[] Chat (Current unsealing plan)
[] Chat (What happened the night before the Sealing?)
[] No Hug
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
-[X] Mention current power limitations, but ask that he don't hold back
[X] Chat (write-in topic; may be chosen multiple times).
-[X] Current unsealing plan
-[X] Before the spar starts mention how you'd prefer to give him a hug, but this works just as well you suppose.
-[X] Give him a more detailed run down of what's happened the last 5 years
-[X] Ask him if he has any messages he wants given to people like the Senzus, Grandpa Vegeta ect.
-[X] Finally if he feels up to it ask what he's been doing in here.
@PoptartProdigy like this?
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Like that.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Not like that.
- Location
- Maybe?
"Jaffur."
"Scion."
"Long time."
"You have no idea."
Also, I submit that spars are probably how Jaffur hugs.
"Scion."
"Long time."
"You have no idea."
Also, I submit that spars are probably how Jaffur hugs.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Have a spar.
-[X] Tell him about your current power limits.
-[X] Also mention you have a trick you want to try and this is the best place for it. (Golden Oazaru)
[X] Chat (Current unsealing plan)
[X] Chat (What happened the night before the Sealing?)
[X] No Hug
-[X] Tell him about your current power limits.
-[X] Also mention you have a trick you want to try and this is the best place for it. (Golden Oazaru)
[X] Chat (Current unsealing plan)
[X] Chat (What happened the night before the Sealing?)
[X] No Hug
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Also would have been good, yes.
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
- Location
- New York
[X] Have a spar.
-[X] Tell him about your current power limits.
-[X] Also mention you have a trick you want to try and this is the best place for it. (Golden Oazaru)
[X] Chat (Current unsealing plan)
[X] Chat (What happened the night before the Sealing?)
[X] No Hug
-[X] Tell him about your current power limits.
-[X] Also mention you have a trick you want to try and this is the best place for it. (Golden Oazaru)
[X] Chat (Current unsealing plan)
[X] Chat (What happened the night before the Sealing?)
[X] No Hug
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Remember that this isn't everything we're doing before we go - we can totally hug him right at the end and then leave before he has to respond and deal with it.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
[X] Have a spar.
-[X] Tell him about your current power limits.
-[X] Also mention you have a trick you want to try and this is the best place for it. (Golden Oazaru)
[X] Chat (Does he have any questions about current events before we get down to business?)
[X] Chat (What happened the night before the Sealing?)
[x] Initiate Vegetan Social Protocol Seven
[X] Hug
-[X] Tell him about your current power limits.
-[X] Also mention you have a trick you want to try and this is the best place for it. (Golden Oazaru)
[X] Chat (Does he have any questions about current events before we get down to business?)
[X] Chat (What happened the night before the Sealing?)
[x] Initiate Vegetan Social Protocol Seven
[X] Hug
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The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
That sounds like an amazing idea that will in no way go wrong
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I should mention that if we show Jaffur the Golden Oazaru he will figure it out and by the time we unseal him he will have it fully trained. Not neassary a bad thing, but something to be aware of.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Yeah, but it hopefully delays any pro-hug arguments until the last vote.That sounds like an amazing idea that will in no way go wrong
Assuming he ever bothered with the Oozaru form himself - it's pretty off the beaten path for Scions. I think he likely spent any extra time on his form and the basics over Oozaru.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
I don't think that's actually a reasonable assumption. A reasonable concern, yes, but Jaffur isn't automagically going to understand, reverse engineer, replicate, and master literally everything he ever sees. If he wants it, showing him it might lead to that.
On the other hand, we apparently can't do form training in power limited states, and Golden Oozaru is apparently quite like Super Saiyan in that we have to need more power, rather implying that Jaffur can't just go 'lol do want now have' without some effort and/or mental shenanigans- and might not be able to meet it at all while sealed.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Hey @PoptartProdigy , random unrelated question: do Saiyans who learn Oozaru usually pick up Multiform, to take advantage of the two full-PL bodies thing? And is it allowed in tournaments? Having an entire second body in a fight is a pretty huge advantage.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If Jaffur not gained control of the Oozaru form then it would likely take him quite a bit of effort to do so. I don't think he has any traits like calm helping him.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Oozaru doesn't allow for 2 full power Multiforms. It just makes your base power more in that form.
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
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Still yes.
And now you know why I asked a question I was pretty sure I knew the answer to already
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Oh, you mean we can use both base power levels separately. That is really cool....
And now you know why I asked a question I was pretty sure I knew the answer to already
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Yeah. I think that if the chips were down at this point, he'd rather back Kakara than Dandeer, if there's a way for him to do that without fucking up the entire saiyan species. But we'd need to offer him an alternative.
Like, say, trying to persuade him that it's time to uncork Jaffur and that Jaffur is actually sane and a decent regent could be found for him (say, Vegeta's OTHER estranged sister, the one who didn't marry into the Senzus).
Honestly, I think at this point Dandeer isn't thinking long-term, because the Vegetans aren't going to tolerate being effectively headless forever. She can't keep running things as regent past the point where her son reaches majority. She hasn't got an exit strategy here.
Especially since the entire point of how the Seal was supposed to work is that Jaron will have had a nicer childhood and have spent ten years growing up without his father's abuse and all. Dandeer herself may think that unsealing Jaffur would recreate his 'savagery,' but the rest of the Vegetans have no reason to believe that.
Berra is arguably thinking long-term, but he seems to be planning to set himself up as King of the Saiyans by rendering the Vegetan line powerless for a generation or so, and I'm not sure that's a good strategy. Especially since the Vegetans have probably figured this out by now, and don't like it one bit.
I don't think the Seers were ever hunting for the Senzus to begin with.
Think about it. Who was looking for the Senzus actively enough to engage the Seers on it? There doesn't seem to be any active search for them. The Gokun have sorcerors of their own, so if Berra was trying to find them he should be able to compensate for their magical concealment- Seers or no Seers. The Vegetans have Dandeer, and if Dandeer were that worried about the Senzus she could try to counter their magic herself.
As far as I can tell, after a few cursory attempts to find them, the Senzus have basically been allowed to 'hide,' as long as they don't stick their heads out where anyone can take a shot at them. Sure, if they revealed themselves, Berra might arrest the whole clan on general principles. It's not like that would be hard for him to do. But it's pretty clear that no major organization on Garenhuld has put forth a concentrated effort to find the Senzus, at least not since the early days.
Alternatively, the Seers may have just looked into the future when told to find the Senzus, and said "it is really, REALLY for the best if we don't tell you." By now I doubt the lords bother to argue when they say things like that.
She has also been in direct telepathic contact at least once towards a second abuse victim who's been trapped in largely solitary, bodiless confinement for four years as a direct result of Dandeer's actions.
Dandeer is both abused and abuser in this scenario, and the cycle of abuse is inherently a very problematic thing.
We can reach a consensus that in an ideal world, abuse victims automatically receive kind and sympathetic treatment regardless of whether they take it out on their own children. But it is not an act of supreme vileness to be harsh and cruel towards a child abuser regardless of their own history of domestic abuse.
Is this sufficient justification to smile and wave as millions of people die?
Kakara might, not without reason, respond "Yeah? Well who stopped to care if Jaffur might cry? If he hasn't been crying trapped alone in Jaron's mind for the last four years, it's only because he's the toughest boy I know."
In theory Jaron MIGHT be a special case because he's a product of sorcery, a new "self" engineered by Jaffur specifically to take on the sudden 'humanization' Dandeer was imposing on him with the Sealing. He might actually be straight-up human for magical purposes in theory.
In practice, Dandeer would probably know, and other sorcerors would probably know, and Poptart definitely knows and has already spoken ex cathedra.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Have a spar.
-[X] Warn him that as a shade, we're at a power level disadvantage we can't work around. If he wants a challenge he'll probably have to limit himself.
[X] Hug
-[X] Warn him that as a shade, we're at a power level disadvantage we can't work around. If he wants a challenge he'll probably have to limit himself.
[X] Hug
