Wasn't that prestige?
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- United States
Even the automation thing isn't set in stone by any means. For all we know there will be a nuclear war soon that prevents further research into AI for centuries. For all we know there will be a gamma ray burst and we will all go extinct. For all we know, for every single thing we learn to automate, we create ever more esoteric work that only humans are capable of.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
So we've only matched astrology v harvest records, which is basically just predicting weather issues.
Tormulyna was picked through some sort of system the predecessors established to figure out who geniuses are or something?? Or just dealing w/ people who have severe mental problems that are, simultaneously, beneficial? @Academia Nut What "systems" are these?
It's sort of dubious whether Tormulyna is focused solely on history or not. If she's rooting her prediction in astrology, it's a solid no. If she's rooting her prediction in history, there is some validity to her suggestion assuming she somehow is really good at figuring out how harvests, economics, etc. are related to international politics. I.e., an iffy yes leaning toward no.
It's worth considering what our goal in the war would be: getting the TH and the SF to stop fighting.
If we pick [] No (???) conquering and integrating the HK would get rid of the "anvil" the TH think they can hammer us against, while setting us up to better intervene in the war later. All while the TH are distracted by their war against the SF and thus too distracted to attack us.
The potential loss is RA, Stability, and Prestige.
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All right then. That's proof that the prior prediction
was wrong. Clearly there is something, but our predictions were not correct. It is something worth investigating further. If the gods cannot predict man, then we cannot fully trust their predictions for men exist.
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
So our king found no smoking gun despite the fact we know we have compromised institutions, that's unfortunate. Heavily implies we're never solving it if our hero spec'd to counter it couldn't even find a trace.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Not yet.
2 more turns on the treachery CB, Hertythyn will be in charge for 1-2 more turns. He's a lot more spry than anticipated.
Trelli, Swamp Folk, Khemetri, Metal Workers, the People.
+1 RA.
First point in a turn.
- Location
- Australia
@Academia Nut, did we succeed in an innovation roll from doing Main Expand Forest this turn with Forestry active and a Mystic Genius on hand?
That is bullshit. That Automation is a challenge is something that rests on centuries of experience with automation as well as solid scientific research.
These predictions are based on a technology we have had for only a few years and rest on nothing but an autistic girls calculations.
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Academia Nut. You do understand how rage-inducing things like these are when you implement them in the thread?
- Location
- Mists of Albion
And then we can force them to give us tribute when we kick their arse with one of our two mercenary companies and our Heavens Hawk march.
If we attack them we are being the aggressors in a war that barely benefits us. I don't want to fight the HK for revenge, I want to eliminate a constant threat. The TH are no threat, being too weak to hurt us and too far away from the core to crush us. It's not worth allowing the HK to live because the Khemetri gave us shitty Horoscopes and some random girl who only speaks in riddles thinks 'something bad will happen' and refuses to expand on that point.
Fuck Astrology, Fuck the HK
*Priests fiddle with records and argue semantics* actually we only promised a good century... see. A century is too wide a span and every aspect too wide a playing field to be subject to rigorous testing at our tech level.
... Bah. Not worth it at all.
Ancient Scholar
Amateur Editor/Beta
- Location
- United States
[X] No (???)
This just doesn't feel right. All this insanity makes me wish for the simpler time where all we need to worry about was trees and food. And because this is a game things have to be interesting so peace is essentially impossible. This can be sort of confirmed due to the difficulty increase from going to the Iron Age so quickly.
I bet that if we ever attained peace a civ will try to backstab us just like the AI in Civilizations.
This just doesn't feel right. All this insanity makes me wish for the simpler time where all we need to worry about was trees and food. And because this is a game things have to be interesting so peace is essentially impossible. This can be sort of confirmed due to the difficulty increase from going to the Iron Age so quickly.
I bet that if we ever attained peace a civ will try to backstab us just like the AI in Civilizations.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
"But if we fail at performing a series of extremely careful steps" is pretty vague though. If we don't get the predicted century of prosperity, we must have simply failed at performing the careful steps; the prediction came true!
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
We are already administratively stressed hard by our current empire. More land is bad for us.
War missions resulting in land grab generate less for our civ than the same actions invested into building it up.
And yet, I still cry Highlander Kingdon Delenda Est. Think about it.
[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The priests are able to replicate her work using the same steps she uses, so its not just her, she's just able to see the patterns faster and do a tremendous amount of work on complex topics quickly, as well as knowing what to look for when stumped on something.
*checks notes*
*ah, right*
No.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Perhaps you can chill? Go for a walk, read a good book, and go to bed.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Fuck it.
[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
Test the hypothesis. If we're going to get hit with the beat-stick no matter what, let's pick the one that won't result in confirming the bullshit prediction.
[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
Test the hypothesis. If we're going to get hit with the beat-stick no matter what, let's pick the one that won't result in confirming the bullshit prediction.
- Location
- Germany
Even if we assume that magic is real and there can be 100% accurate prophecies...
Why the heck should we believe a guy who just dazzled us with fancy math that the heavily impaired girl who can barely speak made a highly specific one?
This reeks of a con.
Let's play the old game of "where is the money?".
If we do this, we invest significant military power against the TH.
This will bind our attention and troops for quite a while and it's definitely the last campaign of our martial genius.
It means HK is de facto protected by divine decree. They would certainly like that, given their fear of us.
Worst case, we get bogged down with sorting out the TH, Swamp People quagmire for generations without really gaining anything, but having no military to spare for other campaigns.
I don't see any prosperity coming from this.
I do see many, many ways how this could prevent us from projecting military force, especially against HK, for a good long while.
Here is the thing. We know that HK has spies in our lands and a Hero Intrigue king.
Using one of his agents among the clergy to fudge this prophecy together is childs play, given the girl is barely acknowledging the existence of other people and there is next to no one who could check her magic math.
This is enemy action. By HK.
Therefore, HK needs to be destroyed.
[X] No (???)
Why the heck should we believe a guy who just dazzled us with fancy math that the heavily impaired girl who can barely speak made a highly specific one?
This reeks of a con.
Let's play the old game of "where is the money?".
If we do this, we invest significant military power against the TH.
This will bind our attention and troops for quite a while and it's definitely the last campaign of our martial genius.
It means HK is de facto protected by divine decree. They would certainly like that, given their fear of us.
Worst case, we get bogged down with sorting out the TH, Swamp People quagmire for generations without really gaining anything, but having no military to spare for other campaigns.
I don't see any prosperity coming from this.
I do see many, many ways how this could prevent us from projecting military force, especially against HK, for a good long while.
Here is the thing. We know that HK has spies in our lands and a Hero Intrigue king.
Using one of his agents among the clergy to fudge this prophecy together is childs play, given the girl is barely acknowledging the existence of other people and there is next to no one who could check her magic math.
This is enemy action. By HK.
Therefore, HK needs to be destroyed.
[X] No (???)
Romv
A Memory of TREES
@Academia Nut Shouldn't we have another sustainable forest slot thanks to our passive policy?
People should calm down and strip away the mystic mumbo-jumbo that is Ymaryn science. Because Ymaryn science is made up from actual science boxed into mystic mumbo-jumbo.
Ok, so the prediction seems fairly straightforward: if we don't do anything, the TH will soon eat the Swamp People and they will take a swing at us at the worst possible time. To avoid this, we must make sure our backs are more or less secure, guarantee the independence of the Swamp People and take a swing at the TH. If you strip off the astrology, that is a fairly sensible historical analysis. Now, is there a recurring celestial or meteorological event that could cause the aforementioned consequences?
Ok, so the prediction seems fairly straightforward: if we don't do anything, the TH will soon eat the Swamp People and they will take a swing at us at the worst possible time. To avoid this, we must make sure our backs are more or less secure, guarantee the independence of the Swamp People and take a swing at the TH. If you strip off the astrology, that is a fairly sensible historical analysis. Now, is there a recurring celestial or meteorological event that could cause the aforementioned consequences?
Thanks for catching that... there you have it, utterly impossible to falsify.