The time to integrate the ST will be right after they get stuck in a war and they need our help.
 
Wait.. @Academia Nut, do our nobles now have ties of marriage with the Khemetri nobles?

That's the pharaoh's plan.

Just to confirm, the last option doesn't put pressure on her to understand her condition like our king half wants and half is worried about, right?

Nah, it's looking to see if in the three million-ish People there's someone who clicks with her... this can possibly also aid communication and understanding of her abilities if it works as well.

@Academia Nut, can you explain the Yenyna options, please? Like, is the last one just a thinly disguised breeding option or is it a genuine effort to do as much as possible to help her? And what does Yenyna want?

Yenyna wants peace mostly, although sometimes the only way to make the crows stop cawing is to direct them to food.

"heir in the next main turn", so we'd still have the excellent martial guy next turn, and then the new one would take over the turn after?
"Medical mystic"...does that mean they wouldn't be great at alchemy/metal secrets? Would the artisan be good at study metal?

Yes, since your current heir is already pretty old, it guarantees that the guy after him is also a hero. Medical mystic would be good at health stuff and would have some forestry and alchemy skills as well. Artisan would be good for study metal and any mechanical/tech type stuff.

...Heroic heir maybe? I feel like i missed a hint somewhere...
I'm gonna guess "upgrade Hero Prince to Genius Prince", given how well he's done and how he seems to have excellent or heroic diplo as well?

Yup, they upgraded their heir (now king).

Huh... @Academia Nut if we take this, and also any of the options that give us enough mysticism or econ to max one or both out, will we enter a golden age right away?

Possibly.

Does the Special: Forestry policy provide the innovation rolls from the Study Forest that was baked into our Expand Forest action?

No, although it does make forest related innovation rolls more likely.

will there be a chance to see their reaction to our own Lands?

Eventually. The trip is enough of a pain in the ass that going through the Trelli currently remains a more profitable loop.

Kings Do Not Kneel has a three attached to end of it. I think this means that it was unlocked through The King Still Stands triggering three times. Kings Do Not Kneel is probably the legacy we get at three(!) triggers.

You had three King of the Hill related fights at the same time and survived. So yes, if you want the Five version you have to get five decently powerful nations to take a swing at you at the same time.

The Khemetri actually got a Legacy for losing King of the Hill while gaining prestige, which isn't normally how that works.

How epic was the Red Banner's defense against the Khem armies? How long were they actively engaged?

They were engaged in the field and in sieges for about ten years.

Did our tribute count as a trade mission for the purposes of establishing ties between our peoples?

Yes.

does this really mean they don't have any true cities? Or is it not counting their capital?

Their capital is definitely a true city, and they have another one where you didn't visit. These are the settlements along the not!Nile, of which there are like a dozen at 50k+

Sounds like their palace is rather more extensive than ours; they almost certainly have more provinces than us.

They actually have a megaproject complex. They just positioned the temples for the region in the same place as the palace. There are several distinct projects (palace + annexes, tier 3 temple, place to the stars) that are just geographically very close together, and also right next to their Pyramids wonder.

Oooh, powerful legacy, and combined with our other new one will be super useful during any future Take the Crown/GreatPower wars... i wondered if we'd have gotten just a less powerful "Kings do not Kneel (One)" for fighting off just the one great power/take the crown war at once?

Yes. It's significantly less awesome because that is a legacy sequence that requires increasingly insane pre-reqs.

how exactly did our genius manage to stalemate the Prince of khemtri in personal combat?
He must have been trained to fight since the day he could walk, while she was an average yeoman's daughter and spent most of her life in a temple. So how did she manage not to get quickly killed when they personally engaged? There is also the major difference in size and mass between the two.

The warriors themselves are scratching their head a bit over that one. Must be magic.
 
[X] [Hero] Organizing all of this was hell, but one clerk refused to buckle (Heroic to Genius level administrator)
[X] [Prov] Integrate Gulvalley (-4 Diplo, +3 Econ, +8 Econ Expansion, +2 Mysticism, +3 Culture, +1 Tech, new core province)
[X] [React] Megaproject - The Games
[X] [Policy] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x1
[X] [Bonus] Upgrade a random value
 
Mad Enhancement is an actual thing you know. Someone as crazy as her probably pushes far harder than an ordinary woman of her size and weight should be capable of simply because she lacks the capacity to really try preserving her strength for the future. Hence, she goes all in--likely to nearly the point of self destruction--any time she fights in personal combat.


Doesn't counter the vast difference in combat experience and skill though, nor of body strength. Also stamina, they were very heavily armoured, it's extremely odd that she with a few years haphazard training and a waifish body, could have the stamina or strength to have a prolonged successful fight in that much armour.
 
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Man, that king is wise, he's basically legitimized our noble houses in their own eyes too. He really doesn't want to have to fuck with us in the future.
 
Don't counter the vast difference in combat experience and skill though, nor of body strength. Also stamina, they were very heavily armoured, it's extremely odd that she with zero training and a waifish body, could have the stamina or strength to have a prolonged successful fight in that much armour.
Not zero training, the Hawks trained her during the campaigns against the Thunder Horse and Highlanders. She learned a lot actually.
 
[X] [Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
[X] [Hero] Organizing all of this was hell, but one clerk refused to buckle (Heroic to Genius level administrator)
[X] [Prov] Integrate Stallions (-6 Diplo, +5 Econ, +5 Econ Expansion, +8 Mysticism, +4 Culture, +2 Tech, +10 Martial, new core province)
[X] [React] Megaproject - The Games
-[X][React] Kick Megaproject
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X] [Bonus] At least two technology upgrades (exploding rolls)
 
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That's the pharaoh's plan.



Nah, it's looking to see if in the three million-ish People there's someone who clicks with her... this can possibly also aid communication and understanding of her abilities if it works as well.



Yenyna wants peace mostly, although sometimes the only way to make the crows stop cawing is to direct them to food.



Yes, since your current heir is already pretty old, it guarantees that the guy after him is also a hero. Medical mystic would be good at health stuff and would have some forestry and alchemy skills as well. Artisan would be good for study metal and any mechanical/tech type stuff.




Yup, they upgraded their heir (now king).



Possibly.



No, although it does make forest related innovation rolls more likely.



Eventually. The trip is enough of a pain in the ass that going through the Trelli currently remains a more profitable loop.



You had three King of the Hill related fights at the same time and survived. So yes, if you want the Five version you have to get five decently powerful nations to take a swing at you at the same time.

The Khemetri actually got a Legacy for losing King of the Hill while gaining prestige, which isn't normally how that works.



They were engaged in the field and in sieges for about ten years.



Yes.



Their capital is definitely a true city, and they have another one where you didn't visit. These are the settlements along the not!Nile, of which there are like a dozen at 50k+



They actually have a megaproject complex. They just positioned the temples for the region in the same place as the palace. There are several distinct projects (palace + annexes, tier 3 temple, place to the stars) that are just geographically very close together, and also right next to their Pyramids wonder.



Yes. It's significantly less awesome because that is a legacy sequence that requires increasingly insane pre-reqs.



The warriors themselves are scratching their head a bit over that one. Must be magic.


I guess the gods of narrative will have this one.
 
Don't counter the vast difference in combat experience and skill though, nor of body strength. Also stamina, they were very heavily armoured, it's extremely odd that she with zero training and a waifish body, could have the stamina or strength to have a prolonged successful fight in that much armour.

She's not that inexperienced, she literally introduced her generalship claim by headcapping a Thunder Horse warband IIRC.

She's just a combat savant who can overclock her body. Or, you know, fucking magic. Either or.
 
[X] [Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
[X] [Hero] Organizing all of this was hell, but one clerk refused to buckle (Heroic to Genius level administrator)
[X] [Prov] Integrate Stallions (-6 Diplo, +5 Econ, +5 Econ Expansion, +8 Mysticism, +4 Culture, +2 Tech, +10 Martial, new core province)
[X] [React] Megaproject - The Games
-[X][React] Kick Megaproject
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X] [Bonus] At least two technology upgrades (exploding rolls)
 
Mad Enhancement is an actual thing you know. Someone as crazy as her probably pushes far harder than an ordinary woman of her size and weight should be capable of simply because she lacks the capacity to really try preserving her strength for the future. Hence, she goes all in--likely to nearly the point of self destruction--any time she fights in personal combat.

This is how Reshem described the fight, even. She wasn't as good as him or as strong as him, but she fought like a berserker and stalemated him.
 
He must have been trained to fight since the day he could walk, while she was an average yeoman's daughter and spent most of her life in a temple. So how did she manage not to get quickly killed when they personally engaged? There is also the major difference in size and mass between the two.
Her class is Ruler, so she takes less damage against everyone who isn't a Berserker. And she has an immunity NP.

*whistles*
 
The warriors themselves are scratching their head a bit over that one. Must be magic.

Maybe it's because the lady is fighting without restrain nor considering about future while the prince wanted to live after this war?

Yenyna wants peace mostly, although sometimes the only way to make the crows stop cawing is to direct them to food.

So direct those crows to infighting with pairing and friendship choice? This thread is getting so meta.
 
[X] [Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
[X] [Hero] Organizing all of this was hell, but one clerk refused to buckle (Heroic to Genius level administrator)
[X] [Prov] Integrate Stallions (-6 Diplo, +5 Econ, +5 Econ Expansion, +8 Mysticism, +4 Culture, +2 Tech, +10 Martial, new core province)
[X] [React] Megaproject - The Games
-[X] [React] Kick Megaproject
[X] [Policy] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x1
[X] [Policy] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x2
[X] [Bonus] Upgrade a random value
 
Hah, I imagine that Legacy of "Lost King of the Hill, still got net positive Prestige out of it" is probably pretty good too.

Honestly, assuming we can build good trade relations in the future, we're in a good position now to form pretty strong ties with one another. We have excellent natural borders in the form of those mountain ranges, we have mutual respect going at this point, and while they're better with the whole monolithic construction style, we've made terraforming into an art form.

I'd actually really like to see a Khemetri Trade Mission to Valleyhome to see how they take our own works. We can do nice megastructures at need, but our real strength is how we shape the land itself to better fit our desires. It's no less awesome to the trained eye.
 
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That's the pharaoh's plan.



Nah, it's looking to see if in the three million-ish People there's someone who clicks with her... this can possibly also aid communication and understanding of her abilities if it works as well.



Yenyna wants peace mostly, although sometimes the only way to make the crows stop cawing is to direct them to food.



Yes, since your current heir is already pretty old, it guarantees that the guy after him is also a hero. Medical mystic would be good at health stuff and would have some forestry and alchemy skills as well. Artisan would be good for study metal and any mechanical/tech type stuff.




Yup, they upgraded their heir (now king).



Possibly.



No, although it does make forest related innovation rolls more likely.



Eventually. The trip is enough of a pain in the ass that going through the Trelli currently remains a more profitable loop.



You had three King of the Hill related fights at the same time and survived. So yes, if you want the Five version you have to get five decently powerful nations to take a swing at you at the same time.

The Khemetri actually got a Legacy for losing King of the Hill while gaining prestige, which isn't normally how that works.



They were engaged in the field and in sieges for about ten years.



Yes.



Their capital is definitely a true city, and they have another one where you didn't visit. These are the settlements along the not!Nile, of which there are like a dozen at 50k+



They actually have a megaproject complex. They just positioned the temples for the region in the same place as the palace. There are several distinct projects (palace + annexes, tier 3 temple, place to the stars) that are just geographically very close together, and also right next to their Pyramids wonder.



Yes. It's significantly less awesome because that is a legacy sequence that requires increasingly insane pre-reqs.



The warriors themselves are scratching their head a bit over that one. Must be magic.
Cool, so it basically means that the Khemetri won't want to fight us for a few turns, if only because it would be declaring war on their relatives.

If we keep doing trade missions with them, we should be able to discourage them from future conflicts and focus on consolidation.
 
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