Guys if we offer tribute they will come back for us and we will have to fucking dl this all over again!

The Highlanders are a dagger to our south, The Khemetri will be worse, they will take another swing at us and we will have to watch them for centuries.

Voting for Tribute screws us over and kills more people in the future then it saves now
It doesn't at all.

We are currently almost entirely out of martial, and we are only able to stalemate the Khemetri in Gulvalley.
they have a good chance of being able to beat us if we do not accept peace now.

We can also start sending tons of Trade Missions to them after peace has been made, to make them less likely to want to take a swing at us.
 
[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

I would greatly prefer to have them too busy with picking up the pieces of their empire then building up for the next invasion.
 
Guys if we offer tribute they will come back for us and we will have to fucking dl this all over again!

The Highlanders are a dagger to our south, The Khemetri will be worse, they will take another swing at us and we will have to watch them for centuries.

Voting for Tribute screws us over and kills more people in the future then it saves now

No, it doesn't. This war is going so poorly because we were taken by surprise. A peace now gives us time to conquer the Highlanders, develop steel, and found a few more mercenary companies. The next time a war comes they will think twice about starting it because they will know we have The King Still Stands. If they do it anyway, they won't have the advantage this time of us getting stabbed in the back by the HK.
 
[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerateforces)

Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.
 
In like, a century--maybe.

And then only if we fail to make it unprofitable for them to do so.

This should be emphasized. We and the Khemetri, unlike with the HK, are not in a position of being a strategic threat to one another's existence just by existing. If trade is more profitable than war, then we will have powerful forces pushing against war. Especially considering that we still have a stranglehold on their tin supply.
 
What happened to the people that raged against the steppes? Have we decided appeasement is the way forward? That we should pay our enemies off rather than beat them back?
We pay the Prince. So he can start a palace coup and depose the actual enemy, his father the God-King, the guy who actually started this war. We're just being clever is all. Just as Crow the Trickster demands of us.
 
Guys if we offer tribute they will come back for us and we will have to fucking do this all over again!

The Highlanders are a dagger to our south, The Khemetri will be worse, they will take another swing at us and we will have to watch them for centuries.

Voting for Tribute screws us over and kills more people in the future then it saves now
GM has explicitedly said they won't.
 
You could probably swing it as a degree of "They have acknowledged our superiority, but we have deigned to let them 'buy' up the land we already claimed. Wasn't very useful anyway so we obviously get so much more with this nice tribute. What, yes, I know that they seem quite impressive, but even though we totally would have won if we had kept going it really wasn't worth it. Now, check out the cool shit they gave me like this vial of mercury! Isn't it awesome?"



A few. For one, it definitely makes people taking a swing at you much less likely.



The People would celebrate a peace that let them keep their land, and grimly continue on if the decision was made to do so.


What happened to the Treilli Mercenary? Were they completely lost in the Melee?
 
Every power that attacked us this turn was using Take the Crown.
TBf, has any KotH-based cb on us ever lasted more than a turn? Hell, we haven't even reached the midturn yet, and we've kicked out 3 nations from our land.

To use the legacy, war has to actually last longer than a turn.
 
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[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

There can be no understanding without weapons , there can be no dialogue without bloodshed, they will be made to understand - as Jorhan Stahl put it. As i see it sure, we could do better things with out time, we could concentrate on rebuilding our nation to kick the HK into the balls after we've recovered but to be quite honest, i don't feel it.

What i feel is that the Ymarin have in previous wars made each and every time very clear that there is no war with the Ymarin. You do not fuck with us. You just don't or we show up at your doorstep and burn you to the ground till you are nothing but an afterthought of history.

The Khemeteri have seen the light, but that will last maybe two or three generations. Let us drive the point home, let us dunk their noses in this mess they made like an unruly puppy who shat on our favorite persian carpet. Let us give them a war, that ends so horribly for them, so decisively, that leaves them bereft of a generation of men, bereft of their legendary general, financially broken and traumatized for centuries to come. Let us give them a war that will tell the world, that even if you are the biggest boy in the yard, if you pick a fight with us, you ain't gonna walk for a while and the idea of offspring you can throw out of the window. A war that will make it very, very, very clear to even the most backwater, aggressive dumb fuckwit, that YOU. DO. NOT. FUCK. WITH. US.

And then when all is said and done, a tribute of blood unimaginable has been given to the land, let us quietly go home and rebuild and assemble our men at the borders to the HK and let them tremble in their beds, quaking at the thought that they picked a fight with someone who just beat the greatest civilization existing into the ground without breaking a major sweat and is known for its very, VERY long memories.
 
I want to turn the dragon company into sacred wardens of the land.
so they can't be used offensively but they will rape you when DS kicks in.
 
TBf, has any KotH-based cb on us ever lasted more than a turn? Hell, we haven't even reached the midturn yet, and we've kicked out 3 nations from our land.

To use the legacy, war has to actually last longer than a turn.
To be fair, that was because we went batshit crazy and kicked 2 Main War Missions with a Genius General.
I won't expect for all of our conflicts to be over that quickly.
 
[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

We keep King of the Hill. They lose it.

T'was the whole point of the war, deciding who's boss.
 
Guys if we offer tribute they will come back for us and we will have to fucking do this all over again!

The Highlanders are a dagger to our south, The Khemetri will be worse, they will take another swing at us and we will have to watch them for centuries.

Voting for Tribute screws us over and kills more people in the future then it saves now
I'm considering tribute specifically so that we can focus down the highlanders on a treachery CB next turn.
I think we can convince people to go after them all the way now that we have a gap in the Khemetri war and with the way that they both threaten to spread iron in our area and will stab us in the back the next time the Khemetri inevitably start the war up.
 
Was planning war, but discussion convinced me to change my mind.

[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
 
[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

There can be no understanding without weapons , there can be no dialogue without bloodshed, they will be made to understand - as Jorhan Stahl put it. As i see it sure, we could do better things with out time, we could concentrate on rebuilding our nation to kick the HK into the balls after we've recovered but to be quite honest, i don't feel it.

What i feel is that the Ymarin have in previous wars made each and every time very clear that there is no war with the Ymarin. You do not fuck with us. You just don't or we show up at your doorstep and burn you to the ground till you are nothing but an afterthought of history.

The Khemeteri have seen the light, but that will last maybe two or three generations. Let us drive the point home, let us dunk their noses in this mess they made like an unruly puppy who shat on our favorite persian carpet. Let us give them a war, that ends so horribly for them, so decisively, that leaves them bereft of a generation of men, bereft of their legendary general, financially broken and traumatized for centuries to come. Let us give them a war that will tell the world, that even if you are the biggest boy in the yard, if you pick a fight with us, you ain't gonna walk for a while and the idea of offspring you can throw out of the window. A war that will make it very, very, very clear to even the most backwater, aggressive dumb fuckwit, that YOU. DO. NOT. FUCK. WITH. US.

And then when all is said and done, a tribute of blood unimaginable has been given to the land, let us quietly go home and rebuild and assemble our men at the borders to the HK and let them tremble in their beds, quaking at the thought that they picked a fight with someone who just beat the greatest civilization existing into the ground without breaking a major sweat and is known for its very, VERY long memories.
It's just not worth it. We've got a good offer here. We get dominance and TIME to exploit our new action efficiency from Guild Mercantile.
 
[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

Reluctantly, I am convinced.

I see it as us paying for a really expensive assassination.
 
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