Paths of Civilization

OliWhail · Jul 30, 2017

I knew we should have gone with one more stability kick... :/

mastigos · Jul 30, 2017

Susano said:
Since when did we grow proud?

[X] Acknowledge superiority (-15 Prestige, loses King of the Hill, peace, chance of +1 Stability)

Yeah sure sure. Master of all. We acknowledge it. We'll even hold some elaborate ritual to do so. Now bugger of.

I mean, it's not like we ever use prestige for anything. So this is basically a free end to the war for us, and we can concentrate on the bloody backstabbing HKers.

I don't necessarily disagree, but our new Legacy means King of the Hill has some definite value. Almost certainly not worth it but we could outright stability-crash the khem

pblur · Jul 30, 2017

Susano said:
Since when did we grow proud?

[X] Acknowledge superiority (-15 Prestige, loses King of the Hill, peace, chance of +1 Stability)

Yeah sure sure. Master of all. We acknowledge it. We'll even hold some elaborate ritual to do so. Now bugger of.

I mean, it's not like we ever use prestige for anything. So this is basically a free end to the war for us, and we can concentrate on the bloody backstabbing HKers.

We use it all the time. Prestige = subordinate states, and subordinate states are brokenly powerful.

Umi-san · Jul 30, 2017

@Academia Nut How low can wealth be before guild mercantilism kicks in?

Somebodynobody10 · Jul 30, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Yes. Reshem will probably kill his dad and clean out the court in a quick coup in that case, but he will have the resources to bribe everyone into accepting it.

Wait, so if we give him tribute, Khemetri loses King Of The Hill, but we retain it?!

Susano · Jul 30, 2017

What is so bad about accepting Khemetri 'superiority'?

We never even use prestige for anything anyway, and we're at Martial 3!

HorizonFallacy · Jul 30, 2017

[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

Rakuhn · Jul 30, 2017

[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
This is a pretty good deal.

Susano · Jul 30, 2017

pblur said:
We use it all the time. Prestige = subordinate states, and subordinate states are brokenly powerful.

We have a buffer, though. We currently only have 9/12 possible subordinate states.

ALanos · Jul 30, 2017

[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

Sivantic · Jul 30, 2017

Susano said:
What is so bad about accepting Khemetri 'superiority'?

We never even use prestige for anything anyway, and we're at Martial 3!

We are about to hit midturn after this. There will be a chance to recoup losses. As is our Gulvalley is still in danger.

Susano · Jul 30, 2017

mastigos said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but our new Legacy means King of the Hill has some definite value. Almost certainly not worth it but we could outright stability-crash the khem

They can burn RA instead.

DakkaMania · Jul 30, 2017

[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

Crazy7s1 · Jul 30, 2017

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Adhoc vote count started by Crazy7s1 on Jul 30, 2017 at 2:47 PM, finished with 89191 posts and 19 votes.

14 people have voted
[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)
- keenscythe
- Umi-san
- Thomasfoolery
- McLuvin
- Daniella_c2
- Skjadir
- WadeSwiftly
- Omegahugger
- OliWhail
- pblur
- Crazy7s1
- Powerofmind
- HorizonFallacy
- ALanos
3 people have voted
[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
1 people have voted
[X] Acknowledge superiority (-15 Prestige, loses King of the Hill, peace, chance of +1 Stability)
- Susano

Glassware · Jul 30, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Yes. Reshem will probably kill his dad and clean out the court in a quick coup in that case, but he will have the resources to bribe everyone into accepting it.

A new ally and an end to this pointless fighting? Sold. We will regenerate the wealth by next turn anyway.

[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

How many lives will you spend for pointless wealth? Let us end this farce.

Susano · Jul 30, 2017

Sivantic said:
We are about to hit midturn after this. There will be a chance to recoup losses. As is our Gulvalley is still in danger.

It isn't if there's peace. The Prince made it pretty clear he understands we won't cede territory.

Shadowend · Jul 30, 2017

[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

Dovahsith · Jul 30, 2017

[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)
All i'm saying is give war a chance!

Though seriously, this is starting to go into US Civil war levels of attrition.

Abby Normal · Jul 30, 2017

Academia Nut said:
General
Diplomacy 16 [+1]
Economy 12 [-2+12] {11}
-Sustainable Forests 10/11
-Econ Expansion 6 [+2-12]
Martial 3 (+7) {7}
Wealth 14 [+5-3]

Lost 4 econ, 5 martial (with 3 refund), and net 0 wealth, from +1 from peace, -1 from looting presumably. Also looks like another trelli merc got killed, cause we're down to 3 wealth cost a turn...

Academia Nut said:
Cultural
Culture 6
Mysticism 13 (+1) [+1]
Tech 4
Prestige 69

Got 4 prestige from the battles, 1 from peace treaty...

Academia Nut said:
Stability
Stability 1 (hopeful)
Legitimacy 3 (max)

Thankfully got both peace treaties out, so we've got good stab again...

Powerofmind · Jul 30, 2017

Ah, so the tribute would be a one-off then? Since the prince would use it in a coup... I could support that. It would certainly allow for peace between the god states.

PrimalShadow · Jul 30, 2017

[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

guyfromtheplace1 · Jul 30, 2017

The Khemetri are offering terms
[] Acknowledge superiority (-15 Prestige, loses King of the Hill, peace, chance of +1 Stability)
[] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
[] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

I'm seriously considering offering tribute, we don't get much of value from beating the khemetri, while we could instead shift focus onto the highlanders for the genius to handle, then conquer.

Raichu1972 · Jul 30, 2017

Guys, the Tribute is a good deal.

It's basically us giving the Prince money so he can usurp the King and force the nobles to accept us as KotH with bribes,
They have more martial than us, and I on't want to risk Gulvalley.

Plus, it lets us build up martial to take out the Highlanders.
We get actions to support guilds every turn, so we can easily build up wealth that way. We also get an extra 2 wealth a turn for not having to pay for Trelli mercs.

This is the option to ensure peace.

maximillian · Jul 30, 2017

[] Acknowledge superiority (-15 Prestige, loses King of the Hill, peace, chance of +1 Stability)

Hahaha good one

[] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

The peace option, the territory remains unchanged but we compensate the khemetri for expenses incurred. The only reason to take this is if we believe we absolutely cannot afford prolonging the fight. And seeing as you folks choose the king still stands instead of the reserve upgrade, it would be downright stupid to not make use of the legacy.

[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

The war continues untill we can get better peace terms. We are fighting defensively and we have the king still stands legacy, meaning that the war favours us greatly.

Legion0047 · Jul 30, 2017

This will end up interesting.
i'm all for a glorious charge but we still have to show HK it's place as our bitch.

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