- Location
- Huezil
@Academia Nut could we have a water-based mercenary company?
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
Didn't we have a spynet in Valleyhome as well as all of the other provinces?
Academia Nut mentioned it here:
Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 2655
So we as a civilization have in fact developed the concept of espionage.
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Analysis and Diffcheckers -- "Shifting Winds"
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No analysis right now, so this is just a diffchecker + placeholder post; last night + today has been way too stressful... @Academia Nut i want to thank you again for writing this; both your actual writing and the discussion in the thread have been very helpful with all this <3 i'm too overwhelmed right now, but later i might finally do that reread of the quest i've been planning, if i have the chance... for now, i've been at the ER for hours, and my dad's doing just well enough that they wont admit him, but poorly enough that he needs help doing basically anything, so i'm going to try and relax before mom has to go to work again...
Trade Status
| Resource | Status | Rivals |
| Luxuries | ||
| Amber | Known only | |
| Fine Pottery | Minor | |
| Fine Dye | Dominating | Trelli |
| Fine Textiles | None | Swamp Folk, Trelli |
| Furs | Known only | |
| Gems | Leading | Trelli, Tin Tribes, Khem (in) |
| Glass | Dominant | |
| Gold | Significant + minor trading (in) | Metal Workers, Khem->Trelli |
| Incense | None | Khem->Trelli |
| Mercury | Dominating | None |
| Silver | Significant (in, needing) | MW, Trelli (in) |
| Salt | Dominating | Trelli |
| Spices | None | (SI+Khem)->Trelli |
| Wine | Dominating | Trelli |
| Strategic | ||
| Copper | Leading | Highlanders, Thunder Horse, MW, Trelli |
| Bronze | Minor | Trelli |
| Slaves | Forbidden | MW (in), Trelli, TT |
| Tin | Minor + Trading | MW (in), TH (in), HK (in), Tin Tribes, Trelli->Khem |
| Iron | Non-traded dominant | None |
| Cultural | ||
| Pilgrimage | Leading | Thunder Speakers |
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
If you want to end our problems quickly you should probably vote for Palace rather than Party. It will edge us toward having 10 megaproject actions after we do 6 next turn, which means during the midturn we can direct any overflow actions toward finishing the Census, making us accelerate rapidly toward ending the tax crisis and thus decreasing corruption.
Otherwise:
The Lowlands is unlikely to be a problem, as both the SF and TH were actually benefiting from the previous wind patterns. It is likely that all that will occur is the HK will start growing in strength.
If we intercede with the Trelli now we reduce their power which reduces the likelihood that they will become a problem later.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
[X] [Exp] Integrate the Stallion Tribes
[X] [Diplo] Tie everything further together (Main New Trails)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)
[X] [Diplo] Tie everything further together (Main New Trails)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
privateers
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
I can't decide whether it would be better to do Party now + PG tomorrow so we hit a GA that will take advantage of our soon-to-be-overflowing diplo, wealth, and mysticism, or to do the lowland settlement so we can start the cataract dam and get a solid buffer for the Baby Boom.
If we do 6 megaproject actions next turn and get to 9, even if we need 10 actions total we will get a midturn action to complete the project, so it isn't too much of an issue.
On the other hand, if it turns out we only need 8-9 megarpoject actions but do 10, I suspect we will probably get our "reserve" Great Hall / Garden annexes built instead, which is okay too.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
any extra actions that go toward the Census would make it end sooner, which means we can progress toward The Law + Dam + Games sooner. We're outracing the Trell + Lowland messes. If they go toward The Garden & The Great Hall instead, that would be fabulous, too, as then we wouldn't wait for 2 weeks to finally construct them.
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One of the effects of a golden age is +1 Econ Expansion per turn. That would be extremely helpful for managing our baby boom, I think.
I don't think actions would go towards the Census, though? Why would palace megaproject actions overflow into a megaproject we haven't started yet?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
IIRC we got the choice to go from The Saltern into The Garden, though I could be mistaken.
Think of it as having allotted actions that we then realize were not needed. We can direct the labor toward something else useful, and the Census is a narratively and outwardly obvious choice. It might just be autodirected into the remaining annexes, but who knows.
GA would be more helpful over the long run, yes. But I kind of want to push for doing two megaprojects at once, and others want to do the dam asap. Though, their concerns were centered around econ which is no longer an issue...
Yeah so IIRC what happened was that Symphony kicked in and gave us an extra action when we apparently had enough. We obviously regularly get econ actions by now, but I figure there will be more econ actions available as choices should we overflow.
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Said spy network is setup by a wild intrigue hero, so we don't have control over it. It might drip information here and there, but we have no ability to check the truthfulness nor quality.
Let along playing to the tune of a wild card element.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
We shouldn't have a problem managing it anyway. Every turn we get -2 econ +2 econ slot from each true city. (Unless I'm misremembering) that's 4 new slots every turn to be used up by the baby boom. That means that all we have to do is a single Econ spending action to cover the cost.
It only becomes an issue if the provinces start expanding econ, which they are unlikely to do.
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
That's not "+1 econ expansion slot", thats "+1 expand econ action". I think our golden age was way before we had the terminology really settled, as well as before we had econ expansion on the front page, but i'm almost certain "econ expansion" used to mean "expand econ", back when the slots were listed just as "you can do this X times" under expand econ, instead of having an actual term and stat.
I'm not sure where the 4 comes from, but yeah, we get 2 slots back every turn from city taxes. If you were thinking the expenses trigger the refund separately, for a total of 4 slots gained from true city turn costs, they don't.
- Location
- Central Europe
No, I think it is +/- 1 Expansion/Econ each. So, we need to spend 3 Econ each turn.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Location
- Austria
Well, ending quickly is one thing, but I am more concerned about what is effectively trying to attack us in our hills.
This is going to be hard, and I think that sucking uo Trelli asshollery until Bronze Age Collapse fucks them up is still more painless that trying to do yet another thing.
We have Lowlands, Steppes, Internal Politics And Making Sure Current Subordinates Do Not Splinter, not!Anatolia which so far is filthy rich, and Trying To not Suicide Via Administration and Unrealistic Optimism, which is hardest of all. We are deep deep deep in the action debt trying to deal with what we already have on our plate, I doubt waging unfavourable war is going to be easy.
Like, do you seriously assume that Trelli, who live right there and have short as fuck logistical trail, are going to just roll over?
And about reducing Trelli power...that assumes we actually somehow score a victory against opponent who can basically punch us in the
Like, the idea of "reduce their power" assumes that we win. Do you think we can do it without megaproject-tier investment? I think we cannot and not sure we can even with such an investment, because they are not stupid nor weak.
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pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
Either way, that's just three secondary actions spread across 8 possible actions. Ain't hard.
No. Just no.
Every turn, we get -1 econ per true city, with no directly granted econ slots (though we get one back from the econ consumption just like we would from any other econ consumption we do while we have a true city up). So that is -2 Econ, +2 econ expansion total each turn, which is to say it exactly offsets 40% of the baby boom.
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- He/Him
This is correct.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
The economy / wealth area is more than sufficient, but why do i have uneasy feeling of inflation from excess wealth? Hope excess myth and prestige will not cause not events.
- Location
- Austria
good lord this + baby boom can eat ~7 Econ slots per turn.
This actually means I do not really want Golden Age anymore because while I can see us maintaining enough of Econ slots to keep up with Baby Boom alone, I am unsure about ~7 Econ slots. Like, seriously, we will not be able to keep up with both.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
I don't consider the steppes to be an issue at present. I will not consider them to be an issue until we actually see evidence that they will be. We cannot predict not prevent something we know nothing about. All we can do is try to maintain two matches at all times.
I don't know what Anatolia is. The Hathatyn remnants? Expanding there would be nice, but doesn't really deal with the Trell. It will take too long to establish a decent holding over there to be worthwhile. Though I guess if we can do so it wouldn't be bad. It just seems overly cautious and less rewarding than the immediately dangerous but not politically troublesome choice of a NTP.
I'd rather not suck up dickishness from the Trell. We can't beat them on the sea now, but I don't think they'll attack our Red Company-having Trade Post directly, and we can always just transport goods from there up to Green river by land - which will be painful but is doable. The Metal Workers are, after all, the alternate end destination for tin. Note, too, that while our ships are bad for attacks they're not horrible at defending against them.
So even in the case that they decide to attack all of our ships, thus performing the very dickishness that I was trying to forestall upon us, it is survivable.
Note, as others have, that their companies are dedicated elsewhere. They won't get a reaction action, which means they can't attack us before we've started to sink in.
I don't know what Anatolia is. The Hathatyn remnants? Expanding there would be nice, but doesn't really deal with the Trell. It will take too long to establish a decent holding over there to be worthwhile. Though I guess if we can do so it wouldn't be bad. It just seems overly cautious and less rewarding than the immediately dangerous but not politically troublesome choice of a NTP.
I'd rather not suck up dickishness from the Trell. We can't beat them on the sea now, but I don't think they'll attack our Red Company-having Trade Post directly, and we can always just transport goods from there up to Green river by land - which will be painful but is doable. The Metal Workers are, after all, the alternate end destination for tin. Note, too, that while our ships are bad for attacks they're not horrible at defending against them.
So even in the case that they decide to attack all of our ships, thus performing the very dickishness that I was trying to forestall upon us, it is survivable.
Note, as others have, that their companies are dedicated elsewhere. They won't get a reaction action, which means they can't attack us before we've started to sink in.