Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
Inserted tally
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
You're the one who said taking too long would cause a civil war, not me.
So you agree this would not be pointless?
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
If you spell it "birb", they are automatically cute.
- Location
- Panama City
Look it's a simple order of operations deal. If we were suddenly crazy people and decided to only build the shrine, that would mean the cost is still 5-7 action(well, 3-5 now). Adding 3 more annexes only bumps that to 8-10 actions(well, 6-8 now).
Basicaly, while you're 4-6+4 is technically correct, because the free annex doesn't impact the base cost it's not 5 to 7-1+4 actions, it's 5 to 7+4-1 actions, which gives the same result but is an inccorect order of operations in this instance.
Sorry, seing you use 4-6 to account for the free annex when the base cost is 5-7 in all cases just bugs me.
[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X] [Annex] Shrine
[X] [Annex] Library
[X] [Annex] Library x2
[X] [Annex] Shrine
[X] [Annex] Library
[X] [Annex] Library x2
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Looking at a world map...
Uh... including periphery states, probably a total area like that of Romania? But spread mostly south-east to north-west rather than in a tight block. And running on what amounts to Middle Bronze Age administration.
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
The reasoning for building an Arsenal, aside from any synergy bonuses with other annexes, is that it means that in the event of war we can ensure a certain degree of uniformity in our equipment, as well as supplying arms and armor to regular soldiers at the state's expense.
Long-term, of course, we need to add some sort of state-run horse breeding and training program, to alleviate the historical issue of settled peoples having small numbers of relatively shitty cavalry compared to the steppe nomads and thus needing to coopt other steppe nomads to fight them effectively.
Long-term, of course, we need to add some sort of state-run horse breeding and training program, to alleviate the historical issue of settled peoples having small numbers of relatively shitty cavalry compared to the steppe nomads and thus needing to coopt other steppe nomads to fight them effectively.
- Location
- BaWü
It seems we have different views of art as I find my vote nice looking
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Huh, that's surprisingly small actually, I expected us to be about the size of Turkey, however for the time that size is actually pretty decent, we are about the size of the Hittite Empire!
- Location
- Panama City
Vote Tally : Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 2858 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 71440-71698]
##### NetTally 1.9.8
[3] Fortifications
[2] Gardens x2
[1] Arsenal x2
[1] Fortifications x2
[1] Fortifications x3
[1] Fortifications x4
[1] Fortifications x5
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Loc
[30][Loc] Valleyhome
[19][Loc] Redshore
[2][Loc] Sacred Forest
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Annex
[51][Annex] Library
[50][Annex] Shrine
[47][Annex] Library x2
[30][Annex] Storehouse
[27][Annex] Great Hall Expansion
[16][Annex] Gardens
[13][Annex] Shrine x2
[11][Annex] Arsenal
[6][Annex] Great Hall Expansion x2
[6][Annex] Storehouse x2
[3][Annex] Library x3
Total No. of Voters: 55
##### NetTally 1.9.8
[3] Fortifications
[2] Gardens x2
[1] Arsenal x2
[1] Fortifications x2
[1] Fortifications x3
[1] Fortifications x4
[1] Fortifications x5
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Loc
[30][Loc] Valleyhome
[19][Loc] Redshore
[2][Loc] Sacred Forest
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Annex
[51][Annex] Library
[50][Annex] Shrine
[47][Annex] Library x2
[30][Annex] Storehouse
[27][Annex] Great Hall Expansion
[16][Annex] Gardens
[13][Annex] Shrine x2
[11][Annex] Arsenal
[6][Annex] Great Hall Expansion x2
[6][Annex] Storehouse x2
[3][Annex] Library x3
Total No. of Voters: 55
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
- Location
- Source of confusion itself.
[X] [Loc] Redshore
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Gardens
[X] Storehouse
[X] Arsenal
[X] Fortifications
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Gardens
[X] Storehouse
[X] Arsenal
[X] Fortifications
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
it is where the temple is, and the name of the true city that grew up around it
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Analysis And Diffcheckers - "Palace Plans" Update
Diff Checker (Civ Sheet)Diff Checker (Civ Sheet BBCode)
Diplo 8 -> 10:
8 + 1 (King of the Hill) + 1 (Mature Trade Post) = 10
Econ 5 (+1) -> 6
5 + 1 (Forest) = 6 + 4 (Expand Econ x2) - 2 (Palace x2) - 2 (Cities) = 6
Econ Expansion 11 -> 11:
11 - 4 (Expand Econ x2) + 2 (Palace Refund x2) + 2 (Cities) = 11
Martial 7 -> 8:
7 + 1 (Carrions) + 1 (Blackbirds) -1 (War mission losses) = 8 + (+1) [Veterancy from war mission]
Wealth 8 -> 6
8 + 1 (Trade) + 1 (Saltern) - 1 (Red Banner) - 1 (Carrions) - 1 (Blackbirds) - [1-3] (Tax Crisis) = 4-6 = 6
We got lucky on the tax crisis roll, but we're only 3 bad turns away from hitting 0 wealth if we don't take actions to increase it, less if our provinces keep spending it...
Art 9 -> 7:
9 - 2 (Palace) + 1 (Carrions) + 1 (Blackbirds) = 9 - 2 (???)
Hmm... @Academia Nut did you forget the art from the blackbirds and carrions, or did i miss something?
Mysticism 15 -> 14 (+2)
15 - 1 (carrions) - 1 (Blackbirds) +1 (temple) = 14
So we're hurting on econ and wealth, with econ staying mostly even so long as we take an econ expansion and refugees (which means -0.5 stability instead), and wealth draining 0-2 per turn net...Which is why i'm voting for a relatively light palace load, with the intention to do more later, once we have some fires put out. I'd prefer sacred forest, since its got good connectivity without needing 2 mains and 8 econ for an aqueduct like redshore, but i'd be fine with either. (though i suppose to be sure... @Academia Nut how many turns do our advisors think we'd have from this turn before it would be a significant problem not to have an aqueduct in redshore if we put the palace in there?) We're doing fine on mysticism and pretty good on art, so i dont think its actually important to get the second library for the (probable) refund for the census. So instead, just the required shrine, then library and storehouse for administration. Keeps the total action cost to 7-9, or 5-7 from this point, which is doable in 3 turns even if we run low on wealth like we're likely to.
[X] [Loc] Sacred Forest
[X] [Loc] Redshore
[X] [Annex] Shrine
[X] [Annex] Library
[X] [Annex] Storehouse
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
I'm actually immensely happy with this
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
Pretty much what I figured. We're still a bit too early in terms of figuring out horse-related stuff for that to be a realistic need; the Palace presumably comes with enough stables for its own needs, and we can create a state-run breeding program to supply cavalry, courier and draft horses once that's a thing our civilization might reasonably see the need to develop.
Dutch
Bored Spearman of the Wind
- Location
- CET
Just to put things into perspective here.
If we don't fuck things up we will have close to 3000 years to work on this palace.*
No need to get greedy people, play the long game.
* Assuming we don't collapse, the palace doesn't get destoyed and the quest is going to last that long,
If we don't fuck things up we will have close to 3000 years to work on this palace.*
No need to get greedy people, play the long game.
* Assuming we don't collapse, the palace doesn't get destoyed and the quest is going to last that long,
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Romania you say?
[X] [loc] Mechanicsburg