Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Do we need help in war when were able to crush everyone who we can reach?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
every turn is ~20 years we get ~6 turns a week, so we only need 25 more weeks.
'cause we're in crisis mode, and balancing the things we need with the things we only want when we need this Palace done twenty years back? Means a lot of shiny gets left by the wayside.
Push for adding it after we've resolved the tax crisis if you want it that badly.
"What a nice palace! I'm sure there's a lot of loot there!" said a raiding party from Stallions, who split up because it took two hundred years to build that monstrosity.
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- He/Him
You saw nothing.
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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- He/Him
It's a shiny. It may help us in some ways, but it isn't absolutely necessary, and it doesn't help us solve crises. Ergo, it's not useful and delays our access to the best solution to the admin crisis.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
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- He/They
Okay, if our wealth get's critical, we need to do a Main Poppies and a secondary vineyards, that would give us a total of four extra wealth.
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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Assuming i'm interpreting the bit from the update for it, the arsenal seems more important for long term weapon-crafting/smithing (and to a lesser extent general smithing/smelting) innovation and for giving the king better influence on the best warriors, not for improving the general gear of our soldiers or anything. Those are both important, and long term i'd want one, but i dont think tis worth the extra action right now; again, we're 3 bad rolls or 6 average rolls on tax crisis away from 0 wealth, and thats assuming our provinces stop eating through it like they did this turn (they spent 2 wealth on us)
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
A: Time constraints. We are in a crisis time, and a lot of people don't want to spend time on 'irrelevant' things.
B: Useability. An armoury should preferably be near warfare, and warfare is preferably far, far away from our palace.
C: Militarisation. OMEGAHUGGER DOESN'T WANT MORE OF IT ;_;
- Location
- Panama City
Because it won't help THAT much that we can't add it later, and we need to cut some things if we want to build the darn thing in a reasonable time frame.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
You mean Sacred Forest, right?
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
Yes, except judging by the past we won't ever work on it again, because there'll always be some new crisis or shiny that will eat our extremely limited action pool and then we'll spend all our other turns voting for broad research and economic programs.
If I trusted that we actually would fill out the annex slots in the future, I'd be far more willing to go light on the immediate Palace build.
- Location
- New Zealand
[X] [Loc] Redshore
I understand that a lot of people would prefer to vote Valleyhome, so go for it, I won't try and convince you otherwise.
[X] [Annex] Shrine
[X] [Annex] Library
[X] [Annex] Gardens
[X] [Annex] Storehouse
Definitely want to do a lot more, but those are things to annex onto it later when everything isn't on fire. I consider these to be the barest of essentials. If we don't end up with a Garden in the Palace I might cry.
I understand that a lot of people would prefer to vote Valleyhome, so go for it, I won't try and convince you otherwise.
[X] [Annex] Shrine
[X] [Annex] Library
[X] [Annex] Gardens
[X] [Annex] Storehouse
Definitely want to do a lot more, but those are things to annex onto it later when everything isn't on fire. I consider these to be the barest of essentials. If we don't end up with a Garden in the Palace I might cry.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Obviously the trees have grown so large that the forest now counts as a mountain, making the village form a neat valley.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Right. Sorry about the accidental suicide vote, everyone! But hey, at least we now know the Red Banner has a 60% ROI on our initial Martial investment...
Dutch
Bored Spearman of the Wind
- Location
- CET
Chances are that the turns will spam less years the closer we get to the present. The earlier turns certainly felt longer than our current ones.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
And for preventing the death of our heirs yet again.
@Academia Nut will there be any major innovation differences between doing everything now vs doing it later?
Will there be an major aesthetic differences, i.e. will we be building the palace to be expanded later w/o major damage to its appearance?
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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I mean, palace annexes are both really useful, really shiny, and honestly pretty cheap in the long run (compared to, say, the Dam, for example), so if we're going to stick to anything in the future, its these; among other things, even if we went with my vote, i think we'll add in the library 2, shrine 2, arsenal sooner rather than later, since they help with administration, authority, and keeping elites loyal, and together they add major innovation chances, all of which are things people like
eternal-potato
He who vegetates
- Location
- Moscow
Arsenal synergises with library and shrine.
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
[X][Loc] Redshore
[X][Annex] Great Hall Expansion
[X][Annex] Shrine
[X][Annex] Library
[X][Annex] Gardens
[X][Annex] Arsenal
Redshore for growth and looking to the future. These five for the two stated synergies (Great Hall+Gardens and Shrine+Library+Arsenal). That's 2 more turns, which is annoying but we might as well do it right. If I had to cut something, it would be Great Hall+Gardens to shave a turn.
[X][Annex] Great Hall Expansion
[X][Annex] Shrine
[X][Annex] Library
[X][Annex] Gardens
[X][Annex] Arsenal
Redshore for growth and looking to the future. These five for the two stated synergies (Great Hall+Gardens and Shrine+Library+Arsenal). That's 2 more turns, which is annoying but we might as well do it right. If I had to cut something, it would be Great Hall+Gardens to shave a turn.
- Location
- Panama City
......Valleyhome is ALSO on a river, and the only reason it isn't also a major source of riverine traffic is the cataracts leading into the lowlands. Which AN has said with our surveying and ironworking we're close to solving that issue.