Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Rather than going for double-annexes, wouldn't it make more sense to look for annex that have synergistic effects? They would probably give us more in terms of actual effect-to-time.
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pblur
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I'd suggest swapping the Garden out for a Shrine x2. AN hinted at a synergy with a large Temple and Library.
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So. 4-6 is the action cost of just doing the living areas, basics and basic meeting hall. We've already done 2 of those, 2-4 left.
1 annex is free, let us assume it is shrine.
3-5 actions left beause it is not a 'free action' kind of free.
With double mains, this means we need even numbers of annexes, not odd. @Susano
Also, @Academia Nut , does big enough Great Hall give us proto-Roman Forum or what did it mean by 'focal point for locals'?
[X] [Loc] Redshore
[X] Garden
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
Garden is because Divine Stewards compell me; also, to keep kings healthy and give a place to relax. Plus, it is non-religious spiritual place, which is nice.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
That's why I said storerooms would be nice if we were smaller, for example if we only had one major city that somehow didn't have storehouses. In this case we already have storerooms. I'm not against them on principle, I just don't get why people want it so much right now.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
But since both Gardens and Shrine increase Spiritual Power, wouldn't it also make sense for there to be a benefit to having both of those?
(Of course, if I were to design a Palace entirely myself, it would probably look like LibraryX2+ShrineX2+GardenX2, not that anyone would follow that...)
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Garden is a great way to make surer kings are less stressed.
Also, with Max Garden + Max Great Hall we can probably do the 'all the soil is my throne' trick.
Garden x4 + Library x4 gogogogo
We already have tons of storehouses, I see no need to make the Palace into a storehouse when we already have an excellent distributed storehouse system (far better than any of our neighbors).
Unless you think Valleyhome's gonna be besieged any time soon, that is.
Double-library makes the Census resource-free instead of -4 to -6. Spending 4 resources on that is pretty reasonable (especially when it gives continuing benefits for any future Mysticism expenditures and narratively helps admin/clerk woes)
Umi-san
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The Storehouses are useful to prevent things breaking down further and if Valleyhome is under siege or if a weather event impacts our econ again. Their benefit to admin overall seems quite obvious. I guess they wouldn't be hard to make later, though.
I want to keep the Arsenal because, as everyone notes, we're in a 2-front war, etc. etc.
[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Gardens
[X] Arsenal
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Also guys please don't go silly on the annexes. We're currently:
- In a two front war with the Swamp Folk, and the Thunder Horse. We also have the nomads returning, thus potentially meaning we have to keep offensive policy another turn.
- We have the administrative crisis happening, where we are yellow on all our stats and as time gets worse we've been told our situation will deteriorate.
- We have the tax crisis. And for that we need to complete three mega projects, and census will take another 7 actions on it's own, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Law was a similar amount.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
I would jump that bandwagon.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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@Academia Nut i just realized something... The update doesn't actually mention that we can build these later; can you add in something to the vote bit itself to clarify that we don't lose out permanently if we don't take them now?
As for the mechanical costs of the tax crisis, we lose 0-2 wealth a turn, depending on how we roll. We have 6 wealth, and our provinces just spend 2 wealth. We will not make it through the whole palace building without taking actions on building wealth, and econ (we have 6, and even if we did double palace + secondary expand econ, we spend 2 econ a turn due to cities, and again our provinces are willing to spend that, though they also did an expand econ to make up for their expenses this turn)
As for my vote:
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Storehouse
Which makes the total action cost of the palace 7-9, remaining actions 5-7, which means we can finish it relatively soon, and might manage to keep up with the econ costs...
I might add library x2 later, but i dont think "Possibly" adding an extra refund to mysticism is important enough right now to add an extra action
...i mean, yeah, 6 actions is pretty low? but 6 actions would be the minimum with 2 annexes, not 8. Also, what do you define as "up to snuff"? Because the aqueduct is 4 actions, not 8...More importantly, though, we could always...do neither? We could put a palace in valleyhome or sacred forest and not add 8 damned actions to the cost when we have 6 econ and multiple wars and a tax crisis draining wealth?
As for the mechanical costs of the tax crisis, we lose 0-2 wealth a turn, depending on how we roll. We have 6 wealth, and our provinces just spend 2 wealth. We will not make it through the whole palace building without taking actions on building wealth, and econ (we have 6, and even if we did double palace + secondary expand econ, we spend 2 econ a turn due to cities, and again our provinces are willing to spend that, though they also did an expand econ to make up for their expenses this turn)
As for my vote:
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Storehouse
Which makes the total action cost of the palace 7-9, remaining actions 5-7, which means we can finish it relatively soon, and might manage to keep up with the econ costs...
I might add library x2 later, but i dont think "Possibly" adding an extra refund to mysticism is important enough right now to add an extra action
ThrawnCA
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[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Storehouse
veekie made a good point that we'll want an extra library so that the Census gets fully refunded. So let's do that.
I'm not greatly attached to the storehouse, but I figure it will help with our admin/expansion woes to some extent.
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Storehouse
veekie made a good point that we'll want an extra library so that the Census gets fully refunded. So let's do that.
I'm not greatly attached to the storehouse, but I figure it will help with our admin/expansion woes to some extent.
Hyacinthium
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I would follow you to the ends of the earth, because we have very similar tastes.
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A big enough Great Hall can act as a Forum, yes.
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[X] [Loc] Redshore
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Great Hall Expansion x2
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Library x3
[X] Storehouse
[X] Storehouse x2
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Great Hall Expansion x2
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Library x3
[X] Storehouse
[X] Storehouse x2
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Guys Redshore was explicitly stated to be favoured by our provinces becuase its easier for all of them to reach and send delegates in a prompt manner. It will ease our admin strain much more then building it in Valleyhome. It also decrease the distance between our Northern provinces and periphery states since its faster to take a boat there and they all have docks.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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Minor note, this is only "probably" the case:
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
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Okay, knowing that we can add annexes later, I'd say we go with
[X]Great Hall Expansion
[X]Shrine
[X]Library
[X]Garden
[X]Storehouse
[X]Arsenal
to start with. Add the second Library and Shrine later, when we can afford it.
The Garden is included less for the cultural importance and more for the ability to grow various things that might be needed elsewhere. Like opium poppies, for example, which we'd probably want to keep control over the cultivation of anyway.
For location, I'm still thinking
[X] Redshore
due to the lessened problems involved in finding space to build the Palace properly when the area isn't already a True City. Plus the transportation bonii. Plus it already being Rulwyna II's stomping ground.
[X]Shrine
[X]Library
[X]Garden
[X]Storehouse
[X]Arsenal
to start with. Add the second Library and Shrine later, when we can afford it.
The Garden is included less for the cultural importance and more for the ability to grow various things that might be needed elsewhere. Like opium poppies, for example, which we'd probably want to keep control over the cultivation of anyway.
For location, I'm still thinking
[X] Redshore
due to the lessened problems involved in finding space to build the Palace properly when the area isn't already a True City. Plus the transportation bonii. Plus it already being Rulwyna II's stomping ground.
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pblur
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What does this mean?
It IS a free action kind of free as far as I understand. I think you're off by one.
NewAgeOfPower
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pbluekan
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Yeah. I hadn't seen that bit from AN. I edited my vote severely down to 4 annexes. Just double library, double shrine, to take advantage of the benefits those get us.
Umi-san
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we've been told it will get worse as we take in more provinces
we have not been told that it will get worse on its own, to my knowledge
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we actually need the second library expansion so we actually get the mysticism refund, sinc ethat essentially makes the census free.