Our biggest problem right now is admin strain; making a free city improves this. Maybe it will cause more problems down the road, but that will be down the road, and in the mean time it gives us time to build roads. 
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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How is is redundant? It doubles the mysticism refund.
Actually, we can still build libraries/temples/megaprojects/trade goods in Free Cities.
I'd greatly appreciate an answer to this question, even if it's that we don't know.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
I agree having two libraries in a city will bring great benefits, but the perception and the narratives are pretty negative at this time.
The Northern provinces likely view us more favorably now as we send help for dragon bone and improved road, but that doesn't mean our relationship will not reverse when we go back into being South centric again.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
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- He/Him
Keep in mind, folks, that we still need to keep on the Northern instability situation.
Most of it will be solved by some integration, but we need a centralization tolerance increase for that to work.
Likely, the law will help as well.
Most of it will be solved by some integration, but we need a centralization tolerance increase for that to work.
Likely, the law will help as well.
- Location
- USA
Stat-wise it doesn't matter where we put it, true. But this quest is not just about stats. It's about narrative. And the narrative of putting two libraries in a single city, when the only other library in our entire civilization is just a bit down the road in Valleyhome, isn't great.
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Au contraire, it gives space to do so. Time is still at a premium as we need to integrate the Stallions, start the mega project, and New Trails to do. That is three Main Projects we need to work on, not to mention switching policy as is appropriate which requires a secondary on top of that. The time doesn't add up. Even if we decentralize now, we would not be able to take advantage. As is, integrating Stallion Tribe will drop a point as well and we are much more likely to be able to do a Main New Trails then.Our biggest problem right now is admin strain; making a free city improves this. Maybe it will cause more problems down the road, but that will be down the road, and in the mean time it gives us time to build roads.
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- Hell
Well think of it this way, we plan to finish building the Temple up north and expand the trails further. That would appease them.
These are explicitly NOT HRE free cities. The only authority they have, indeed the only thing they can do at this level of societal development, is pay for their own upkeep. No trade leaguees, no free serfs, no bribery, no monopoly charters, no independent armies. They can still have guilds, but they already have them.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
What might the long-term effect on our religion and the city itself be, according to our spiritual and administrative advisors?
What would it take to have the city be able to perform independent actions?
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
It's about as fun as discovering Santa isn't real and human lied to another human on a regular basis.
My !FUN'o! Meter is currently at 12 on a maximum of 10.
You know, if the debate thing works out, it could become the premier city where debates are held...
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
I spent a day putting it all together from posts after the threadmarks last week.
I'm also on chat in that sheet while I'm at work, so if you have any question about its format, etc...
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@Academia Nut How good our roads are atm? I am still disappointed that we didn't get any paved roads.
- Location
- Austria
It was, from the start, described as narrative style of quest, so this should not be surprising.
High Stability does not equal lack of corruption, it may well mean complacency.
High Martial does not mean you cannot shatter from one bad battle (hello there Spirit Talkers).
High Legitimacy does not mean there is not a viper nest of plotting and conspiracies vying for the throne.
I have no idea why the hell it would be even remotely surprising, because it is not a new thing at all.
Which is another reason why I am so pro-refugee, btw - "but it's not the most efficient action stat-wise" is not a good reason, because stats are at best half of the game information we should consider, and yet they seem to dominate the discussion.
At times I honestly wish there were no stats at all beyond maybe some vague descriptions, because I am quite sure we would not have gotten three of our best traits (now-Stewards, now-CA, now-Symphony) if there were stats shown at the time.
EDIT: Okay, maybe we would've gotten now-Stewards and now-Symphony, but now-CA would have not had a chance in hell to appear if we had 'Econ' and 'Stability' sliders at that moment.
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
What we have now: philosophy, wine, olives, arches, shiny white buildings.
What we will soon have: debates.
What we have yet to create: theater, the Olympics.
Overall Greek Score: 6/10
*twists mouth in sympathy* So much labor...
@ctulhuslp Are you pro-refugee this turn or no?
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- Austria
Only -1.5 because higher ones probably have no chance at all.
Granted, -1.5 is not doing too hot either, because genocide has no numeric representation in Stats page which means it does not impact the discussion of actions to take.
Granted, Stallions and North divergence have no numerical impact either, and yet actions are being taken, so it is not all bad, it is partially me being salty as fuck.
But other part is, in my opinion, legitimate problem of numbers in statsheets (EDIT: disproportionately) dominating the discussion except for, on top of my head, one issue - North-South divide. Maybe there are others?
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
On the other hand, take a look at that stat-reserve graph. It's obvious that stats have become far more important to the quest since the early days. Early on, in was slow and steady growth. Now, we swing up to half our stat pool (30+ secondary actions) in one-two turns for huge gains (iron and temple+Library, most notably.) Maintaining a balance between high stats to take advantage of opportunity and consistent growth is hard, but it's even harder without good stat tracking and analysis.
Think about the narrative of modern governments; as much as anything, it's a narrative about stats. Congressmen don't rely on the narrative behind a bill; they have the CBO built specifically to track and present the stats they need.
As government gets more complex, more decisions have to be made essentially for accounting. That's true both in real life and this quest.
Stats hardly dominate the discussion. The reason we went for roads this turn had nothing to do with stats. The reason we are trying to integrate the Stallion Tribes had nothing to do with stats. The reason we opposed Xohyr in the first place had nothing to do with stats. And so on.
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I agree with this.
As efficient as it would be to have two libraries in the same city with another down the road, the optics of that are awful when we already try to appease the north.
If we already build a Library, then we should damn well put it where we get ancillary benefits from it.
There is also the back up situation. Sacred Forest and Valleyhome are geographically right next to each other. Any calamity that kills one may well kill the other.
Putting a Library in the north not only keeps them happy, it means that if anything horrible happens to the south, the north has a backup.
Granted, the North is frequently at risk from Nomads, but that also means the library starts studying warfare or breeding charts for the horses.
Or it records experiments with limestone, which is exceedingly useful.
It may help with administration as well by having a secondary administrative nexus form around it. Clerks are already available with the library.