Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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I'd hope no one likes any of the king options.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Anyway my look at the candidates:
Need to think more.
- Dythuwyn - Patrician. Agenda: Valleyhome Association Supremacy. Admin: Excellent, Diplo: Excellent, War: Poor. Turns King: 1
- Giirry - Golden Boy. Agenda: Land Reform/Bribery. Admin: Mediocre, Diplo: Good, War: Abysmal. Turns King: 2, maybe 1
- Phygrif - Chieftain. Agenda: Conquest. Admin: Mediocre, Diplo: Mediocre, War: Heroic. Turns King: 1, maybe 2
- Rulwyna - Puppet. Agenda: Stability. Skills: Undeveloped. Turns King: 3-4
Need to think more.
What? Even if you read Dythuwyn's "loyalty" with the qualifier "...as long as it still serves his interests", your theory still doesn't work because you got the heir's support wrong:
Nothing about priests here.
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- Philippines
Sweet if memory serves me right the hat should have a tin, silver and gold mine so we would be swimming in money especially if we become dominant in gold.
Looks like they are, based on Agenda.
Thats why I went for the short lived establishment candidate, he can't really favor Valleyhome much more than it already is, since we've filled out everything but a Valleyhome Library already.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
Its because the zealous and outright dogmatic fellows against heredity either don't care as much now, have not arrived yet or are secure enough to not blow up.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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- Ranch
Advisors only work when advising, give them power and they never give it up. Look how most regencies historically ended. Or how child emperors/monarchs where playthings of the bureaucracy/eunuchs/advisors/palace slaves, historically.
The rule of advisors only ends with overthrow.
Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
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- Canada, ontario
So.... because you don't like the king options, You decided to go with the guy who wants to conquer shit in the middle of the bronze age collapse? I'm sorry, but i thought we were having a hard enough time as it is keeping ourr own shit together without going after other people.. XD
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- madison
the kid's a bad choice, but so is literally everyone else. on top of that they are all bad in different ways, so there is unlikely to be much consensus on who is the worst.
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- United States
From the post:
"While this would undoubtedly upset many, the man wasn't entirely an outsider and understood how kingship among the People worked, and so long as he did the ceremonies of induction properly there was no rule against his leadership. He would simultaneously be enough of an outsider that he couldn't adroitly manipulate the system while being strong enough that he wouldn't bow to the interests of the south, likely relying on the closer ties to the north to rely on the chiefs from those provinces for advise... and letting them wedge open the door for further moves against the southern influence networks that had become increasingly entrenched against them."
He knows how we rule and work with the system, and will get advice from the northern provinces, which are still The People, even if they have slightly altered values.
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- Philippines
"short lived" He will have a turn or 20 years to cement his changes to the system that is not short by any amount of time.
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- They/Them
Eh, good enough for me.
[X] [King] Phygrif (-1 Legitimacy, Main Build Chariots, Heavens Hawk become a March)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
Phygrif's heroic martial could lead to interesting innovations. I considered selecting Dythuwyn, but it'd only worsen the tensions with the north at a crucial point. It's just not his time.
What's about priests is the bit here, for some readings of what's going on:
Oh.
That's pretty damn good.
[X] [King] Phygrif (-1 Legitimacy, Main Build Chariots, Heavens Hawk become a March)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
- Location
- United States
Also, forgot to vote for what I was advocating for.
[X] [King] Phygrif (-1 Legitimacy, Main Build Chariots, Heavens Hawk become a March)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
[X] [King] Phygrif (-1 Legitimacy, Main Build Chariots, Heavens Hawk become a March)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
[X] [King] Phygrif (-1 Legitimacy, Main Build Chariots, Heavens Hawk become a March)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
Given all this, it's rather luck we're still on Restoration policy AFAIK.
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
Given all this, it's rather luck we're still on Restoration policy AFAIK.
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- Location
- his hidden lair
Uhh. The Red Banner making red rivers happened there in living memory, we're the iron wielding, primitive horseback riding civ with huge amounts of numbers. 'They live in hills' only goes so far as a legitimate reason to assume the worst.
We have a technological edge, a numerical edge, and while they might have doctrinal superiority in some cases (namely heavy infantry) that's a good thing. Because we're more likely to pick up on those improvements and that's easier to absorb and adapt than suddenly getting numbers or tech.
Seriously, we don't have to kill them root and branch- all we have to do is march in with our shiny iron, numbers and crush them on the field a few times and the people that make up the HK (who likely have relatives or will meet some of the migrants aiding the Ymaryn) will see that these outsiders are a) generally not assholes b) capable of protecting them c) capable of offering them a higher quality of life.
A foreign invasion dominating and absorbing another civ doesn't have to be a super bloody affair contingent on conquest. It just has to erode the ruling class' power base and hype up the invaders.
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[X][King] Dythuwyn (+1 Stability, Sec Expand Econ + Sec Art Patronage)
[X][King] Phygrif (-1 Legitimacy, Main Build Chariots, Heavens Hawk become a March)
Neither option is good, but a puppet king is not something we can accept, and I don't want campaign promises to be a major thing. I'd slightly prefer Dythuwyn due to excellent admin skills and guaranteed 1-turn lifespan, but none of the choices are good ones. Phygrif is going to do stupid actions, but making another March is awesome and it helps fix the South/North divide.
[X][Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X][Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
More mines is good, and we absolutely need the bonus econ if Phygrif wins (which it looks like he will)
@Academia Nut
Gold should be on our Trade Goods list now, right?
[X][King] Phygrif (-1 Legitimacy, Main Build Chariots, Heavens Hawk become a March)
Neither option is good, but a puppet king is not something we can accept, and I don't want campaign promises to be a major thing. I'd slightly prefer Dythuwyn due to excellent admin skills and guaranteed 1-turn lifespan, but none of the choices are good ones. Phygrif is going to do stupid actions, but making another March is awesome and it helps fix the South/North divide.
[X][Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X][Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
More mines is good, and we absolutely need the bonus econ if Phygrif wins (which it looks like he will)
@Academia Nut
Gold should be on our Trade Goods list now, right?
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- Staring into the void
@Academia Nut The Hath are still listed on the trade goods list. Is this intentional?
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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- Ranch
Chariots are useful, they're fast and perfect for mobile warfare. Also they're the bloody greatest sign of wealth, sophistication and prestige before the invention of ornate barding.
As for the idea that the thread would actualy go and declare conquest war on its own....................
And I don't expect his changes or the way he goes about enforcing them to be pleasant. This guy's the heir to the guilds who've used assassinations in the past, and he most certainly does not have the good of the Ymaryn as a whole in mind. He's likely to be able to do a lot of damage, very quickly.
A single background use of Restore Order against, say, our new machinists for trying to do something new would set disastrous precedent.
Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
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- Canada, ontario
I can't believe you guys are supporting a martial buildup and a king with conquering as an agenda! Phygrif isn't what we need right now, atleast go with Dythuwyn if not the child King because he's got more relevant things for the people in mind.. ALSO: we don't need another March! We need stability and our economy running properly!
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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[X] [King] Phygrif (-1 Legitimacy, Main Build Chariots, Heavens Hawk become a March)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
Hmm. Well looks like my Spoopy Castle won't take flight yet. Oh well, no cavalcade of orchestras for me then. So sad.
My analysis of the candidates is here:
Also note if we make our Heaven Hawks a march then our wealth goes to 9 [+1-1] and that's a good in a mechanical sense.
It has also been brought up that this combo will allow us to get the Hathatyn's mines which we kinda need. Plus Colony in the Lowlands direction so I am happy.
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
Hmm. Well looks like my Spoopy Castle won't take flight yet. Oh well, no cavalcade of orchestras for me then. So sad.
My analysis of the candidates is here:
- Dythuwyn - Patrician. Agenda: Valleyhome Association Supremacy. Admin: Excellent, Diplo: Excellent, War: Poor. Turns King: 1
- Giirry - Golden Boy. Agenda: Land Reform/Bribery. Admin: Mediocre, Diplo: Good, War: Abysmal. Turns King: 2, maybe 1
- Phygrif - Chieftain. Agenda: Conquest. Admin: Mediocre, Diplo: Mediocre, War: Heroic. Turns King: 1, maybe 2
- Rulwyna - Puppet. Agenda: Stability. Skills: Undeveloped. Turns King: 3-4
Also note if we make our Heaven Hawks a march then our wealth goes to 9 [+1-1] and that's a good in a mechanical sense.
It has also been brought up that this combo will allow us to get the Hathatyn's mines which we kinda need. Plus Colony in the Lowlands direction so I am happy.
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