Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Considering how expensive this megaproject is, its benefits are hopefully correspondingly massive. I'm hopes it means we automatically turn econ expansion slots into charcoal whenever we need more. (Along with ending the crisis for us)
Either way, I'd be game with a double-main road as long as we drop our centralization down by 2 first. Easiest way to do that is either a fully developed Wildcat trigger or a {M} Distribute Lands. Wildcat surveys are the better solution so long as we have a charcoal slot available.
Also definitely in favor of propagating the Stallions once we rebuild our diplo some more.
@Academia Nut
If we finish a land management megaproject at Stability 3, is the bonus stability just wasted?
Either way, I'd be game with a double-main road as long as we drop our centralization down by 2 first. Easiest way to do that is either a fully developed Wildcat trigger or a {M} Distribute Lands. Wildcat surveys are the better solution so long as we have a charcoal slot available.
Also definitely in favor of propagating the Stallions once we rebuild our diplo some more.
@Academia Nut
If we finish a land management megaproject at Stability 3, is the bonus stability just wasted?
Last edited:
Except neither of them do as you describe.
The Mine and Land are assigned to individuals to develop and manage. We pay the managers a bonus for productivity and take the rest.
The Mine and Land remain under the ownership of the state, but under the administation of the heirs of the original managers and developers. It will remain so in both cases unless it is demonstrated that malpractice or mismanagement is in play, upon which the ownership can be revoked through Restore Order or Enforce Justice.
You could just confirm with @Academia Nut
- Location
- Illinois
Wildcat Prospecting is such a great trait for us. I was initially worried that the individual ownership thing would be a problem, but this seems like the perfect mix of our ways while encouraging greater innovations and initiative.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Depending on the king, you may be given a note that tells you that if you put in just a little extra effort you can kick it and come out stability neutral. Otherwise it will probably be converted into extra Prestige.
It's technically that the managers get to pocket the difference as part of their reward, but yes, the 'Crown' owns everything.
Like, technically how it works is that the Office of the King has administrative control over all the lands, as they are to be worked by the People for the good of the gods and People, and then distributes out the actual work to subordinates because one person can't do everything. The kingship is a divine position, with the assumption that the gods directly influence the elections via both the possible candidates being selected and the consensus of the electors. This is why the idea that the king's patron god being the current King of the Gods has any traction, in that obvious this is information that would be revealed by the divine. It's basically a "the conditions on Earth are a reflection of divine will" argument.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
... Rain hitting 'hard'? Rain is ALWAYS at terminal velocity when it hits. The soil is becoming saturated because there's simply more rain annually than our drainage allows for.
Edit: Also, I don't know what you mean by a 'Packed Earth' dam. That's a type of wall, not of dam. The earliest dams were gravity dams; a rock wall with 100 feet of dirt piled behind it for weight. The very earliest we have info on was in Jordan and had:
That's in the early bronze age. Roman designs incorporated arches etc. and some are still standing to this day:
Embalse de Proserpina, in Mérida, Spain
Cornovala Dam (By Esta imagen ha sido tomada por Charly Morlock. Por favor, acredite del siguiente modo: www.charlymorlock.comApreciaría ser notificado (jsmrmg(at)gmail.com) si utiliza mi trabajo fuera de WikimediaPueden visitarse más trabajos en mi galería personal - originally posted to Flickr as Prueba cornalvo revelado, CC BY-SA 2.0, File:Roman Cornalvo dam, Extremadura, Spain. Pic 01.jpg - Wikimedia Commons)
Ours would probably be similar to early roman gravity dams.
Last edited:
Yes, which means the soil the dam is resting on is losing it's strength as it transitions to a semi-liquid state.
Note that the described level of rainfall is enough to cause MODERN dams some serious stress, that's with reinforced concrete and foundation pilings.
Even within the confines of your excessive literalism, that terminal velocity depends on droplet size.
I suspect that if we had built the dam before the current climate crisis, we would be in a "save the dam" megaproject or forced to choose between the forest and the dam.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
I still have no clue what he means. Not being excessively literal, literally baffled by his language. Ofc, YOU are right in an excessively literal and irrelevant way...
See my edit for clarification on dam design. I don't know what soil you think would lose it's strength. The soil behind the dam isn't providing strength (just weight), and the soil under the dam is a river bed and covered by a 30 ft. high wall and dirt pile.
Edit: Also, modern dams would only have troubles from this shift in rain if they let the reservoir get too high for design. It would have absolutely nothing to do with construction materials. See my above comment about sluicing...
Last edited:
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
The maarib dam (built by the himyarites approx 800 bce) required regular repairs to avoid breaches, and was vertically expanded often due to sit buildup in the sluiceway, and did in fact breach in 145 bce
Last edited:
That's the packed earth, a significant portion of your structural support and counterweight relies on compacted soil behaving like...soil, not water. That means that instead of providing weight augmented frictional resistance to the wall moving under pressure, it flows, lubricated by the water saturation.
The thing is your stone wall is resting on soil or clay in most places you can build a dam, so as the water burden increases, such as with this freakish level of torrential rain, you simultaneously increase the pressure exerted by water load, erosion from water flow(especially overflow) and decrease the strength of the anchor holding the walls in place.
Which basically means the wall starts uh...sliding. Which is not something you can afford it to do for very long because the wall is much less strong once it's not in the spot it's built in.
Obviously, people will overengineer a dam to some extent, but previous to developing the discipline of engineering itself, and faced with a load that's completely outside of the designer's expectations, it's one of the natural flaws of dams.
Last edited:
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
True. All dams require regular repairs and sluice maintenance. Interesting that they chose to build it higher instead of dredging the sluice.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Maybe we could have deep divers or something
no they'd die before clearing the slit build up nvm
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Ah, I misread: it was expanded because of silt buildup in the canals it fed:
Also, note that they drained the dam to clear the sluiceway
Last edited:
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Oh hey, at some point after i stopped checking for updates yesterday, the action list got updated, and we officially have an option to expand into the lowlands, since i'm pretty sure "south of cataracts" is the "south of badlands" location for the dam...still don't really want to expand much while doing the megaproject, especially since it'd be into the lowlands which we aren't as used to working with, but we should have the megaproject done before the climate stops being unstable, and so long as thats the case the HK shouldn't be able to take this back...
Also, @Academia Nut shouldn't our forest slots be different? Its been several turns, a secondary expand forests, a propogation of our march that you said would give us forest slots, and two mines since then (though i'm not sure if mercury loses a slot), so while i'm not sure if we'll have open slots afterwards, shouldn't it be something like 7/7 or 8/8 now?
Ooh, good to know-- @Therealtahu given how often the narrative behind Wildcat Prospecting comes up, you should add this to your post
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Gosh I love our culture q=qOh hey, at some point after i stopped checking for updates yesterday, the action list got updated, and we officially have an option to expand into the lowlands, since i'm pretty sure "south of cataracts" is the "south of badlands" location for the dam...still don't really want to expand much while doing the megaproject, especially since it'd be into the lowlands which we aren't as used to working with, but we should have the megaproject done before the climate stops being unstable, and so long as thats the case the HK shouldn't be able to take this back...
Also, @Academia Nut shouldn't our forest slots be different? Its been several turns, a secondary expand forests, a propogation of our march that you said would give us forest slots, and two mines since then (though i'm not sure if mercury loses a slot), so while i'm not sure if we'll have open slots afterwards, shouldn't it be something like 7/7 or 8/8 now?
Ooh, good to know-- @Therealtahu given how often the narrative behind Wildcat Prospecting comes up, you should add this to your post
note to friend never text on phone while also posting in a thread it does not work how you think it should
Last edited:
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
*Sees the for has no hope of winning*
*Goes to the next contested option*
The reason why I want the War Mission over Changing the Policy is that the Red Banner Mercenary company (while undoubtedly battle-tested and something the north would appreciate) are, nevertheless, just a few men. This will have a larger impact on their war effort.
*Goes to the next contested option*
The reason why I want the War Mission over Changing the Policy is that the Red Banner Mercenary company (while undoubtedly battle-tested and something the north would appreciate) are, nevertheless, just a few men. This will have a larger impact on their war effort.
- Location
- Illinois
@Academia Nut do we know how our other neighbor's core territories are doing right now?