@Academia Nut Where exactly is the Western Wall expanding? Is it expanding on the coastline? I am also assuming it's expanding on the black river as well.
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It's mostly expanding along the coastline.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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@Academia Nut When Rulwyna is concerned about the "north" feeling independent, what provinces/peripherals is she thinking of?
Ah, but future managers will also continue to claim the bonus reward for productivity so long as they can meet the quotas of production and quality of living(which I believe should be in our laws, though there's plenty of ways to exploit it).
So why wouldn't future mine managers get a bonus for running it efficiently compared to someone starting a mine up cheaply?
Though it's still good in that the Wealth converted to Econ is slotless and would thus generate Econ slots as long as we have 2 Cities.
We're probably in it mostly for the Innovation though.
Missing one element, we're currently producing Art mostly by Mysticism overflow, due to the Library refunding Mysticism costs, and the Temple generating Mysticism.
Guess we'd probably have hit that if we actually built them.
Personally I'm just thankful we have the triple heroes reigning over an era of utter disaster. Without them I suspect we'd be much closer to the edge.
Yeesh, thankful for that, though it does indicate Centralization 3 is enough to cope with most natural events.
Ah, I see, plagues, we can quarantine, to stop it propagating. Famine we can normally redirect grain from areas not hit to areas which are hit. There's basically nothing we can do about something which scourges the entire known world at once, considering THIS particular event would have sucked really hard even if it happened in modern times.
Noting that a dam would have added worse problems.A Dam! We need a Dam! A freaking Damn Dam! Now, damn it, NOW!
Excuse my lapse... this thread has given me Dam Deprivation Disorder
When the rainfall surges to the point where good forest is starting to rot into swamp...that's when dams burst and fail.
The idea of the "north" feeling independent strike me as incredibly naive. One day, there's going to be another WRAGH! and they will need the south's help.
pblur
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People like to say this, but chances are that even if it failed it would be somewhat gradual. And we'd probably get better dam building tech out of the deal, which would be really nice.
After all, ancient dams usually had sluiceways for allowing water to bypass it. I don't see any reason to believe ours wouldn't have, or that they wouldn't have been sufficient.
On the plus side, the reservoir-edge farms would have had far more consistent water than normal ones, providing disaster resistance.
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Stallions, Western Wall, Stonepen, Blackriver, and Northshore.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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It's not more valuable per se. It's just that they figure they're paying for the mercs too, so it's a shared resource instead of a gift from the south.
Also, if they do end up trying to break off, I'd encourage people to consider letting them. Civil wars are nasty business, and it would give us a permanent anti-nomad sister state while we focused on the lowlands.
I have been saying we need to provide infrastructure and goodies for the North for quite some time now....
pblur
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Aside from military contributions, are there any actions we can take that would be seen as helping them thrive? Any megaprojects that we could build in the north, for instance? Would Temples/Libraries in those provinces be appreciated?
pblur
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Sure, and you're hardly the only one. It's just that most of our infrastructure is built around resources, or are megaprojects that we haven't had an option to put up there.
Edit: I really wish we could put a dam in the stallions...
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Integrating or propagating the Stallions would allow for the construction of a new canal system, there are aqueduct projects that can be done up north, plenty of holy sites to put holy sites down on, the Northshore saltern could be improved, roads could be improved...
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Not really since we could build some aqueducts, temples and Salterns up North for a while now and we haven't kept our roads in good condition to preserve connectivity. Besides I thought the hint of us being able to build a canal for the Stallions was a hint for us to integrate them.
Edit: Blackbird by the GM
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pblur
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Is propogating the stallions a special option we'll get or is it just Integrate+Build March?
Edit: Also, canal in stallions. Yes please! ALMOST as good as a dam.
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If you choose to integrate, you will get the option to either swallow it whole, or have the garrison move north to change the centre of power, with the king more directly seeing to the administration of well settled territories.
Would this mean we don't take extra martial from the existing warriors? (Like when we propagated Hatriver?)
Eh. The way I see it, it is kinda of like a family member might appreciate a handmade gift more than a more professionally-made store-bought one. The point of us helping here isn't so much to help as to show that we care, and the north's valuation of things reflects this.
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Exactly. Hatriver was propagated rather than integrated.
Considering that the rain is hitting so hard that the very soil itself is becoming water saturated, such a collapse will happen within a 5-10 year span of a primarily packed earth Iron Age dam. We don't have concrete here.
So chances of an intervention is...low(for the matter, figuring out HOW to intervene in the soil getting water saturated is a mystery, short of just draining the dam dry)
Lets see:
-Propagating Stallions - Needs more Diplomacy, but otherwise quite good.
-Canal - Requires propagating Stallions, but does major progress towards mitigating regional issues. Definitely a plus
-Aqueducts - I think without improving road networks, spawning a True City up north is liable to be more conducive to cementing a schism than helpful.
-Temple - Have a plan for it already, but similar to the Aqueducts, we need to mitigate the connectivity or it'd just promote values contrary to the Sacred Forest Temple.
-Saltern - It's useful enough. We probably could invest in that. Won't take that long, just costly.
-Roads - Maybe people will finally build the damned roads with this...
Ooo, definitely desirable for sure.
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@Academia Nut Would integrating the Stallions be better for shuffling and spreading our values than just propagating them? Propagating seems to keep the Stallion's warriors with their current values instead of pushing our values on them. How much better is integrating and then creating a new march for cultural divergence?
Edit: You've also seemed to have missed these from before.
Seeing as you can attach a library to a True City, Temple or Palace, is there a narrative difference between these libraries and if so, what's the difference? Is it the focus of the material recorded in the library? Who has access to it?
Previously, you've said that a [Main] New Settlement comes along with a free Holy Site (Thanks, Sacred Warding). How does this work now that we have temples? Is it the only way to get a Holy Site now that the option is gone?
Edit: You've also seemed to have missed these from before.
Seeing as you can attach a library to a True City, Temple or Palace, is there a narrative difference between these libraries and if so, what's the difference? Is it the focus of the material recorded in the library? Who has access to it?
Previously, you've said that a [Main] New Settlement comes along with a free Holy Site (Thanks, Sacred Warding). How does this work now that we have temples? Is it the only way to get a Holy Site now that the option is gone?
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pbluekan
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No. It isn't.
We have word from AN that wildcat prospecting basically allows for us to put the initial development in the hands of individuals, in exchange for a substantial reward of the initial product. However, thereafter, the mine goes into ownership and management of the state.
Distribute land basically puts land management in the hands of individuals.